[Texascavers] sort of NSS Convention related
There is a rental car service called Zipcar.com that lets member's rent by the hour. Apparently, this is popular in the New England area. If you are a member, there supposedly is a place to get a Zipcar about 30 miles south of the convention in the town of Middlebury. What is allegedly great about this service is that it takes the hassles out of renting a car.Gas is included in the hourly fee. You get a 180 miles over a 24 driving period, so you can cover a lot of Vermont and the area around the Adirondack Mountains in New York. It can take up to a week to become a member, so it is probably to late to join.You wouldn't want to join unless you frequent the towns on the list below: http://www.zipcar.com/cities?return_url=/rates/ One of the perks, is that family members get discount memberships. David Locklear P.S. My tentative plans to try to get to the convention are currently not going well. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: oh yeah
Not yet. Scott Kyle, AIA LEED [sent via mobile] On Jul 22, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Oh cool, has he fed anything new back to you? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Scott Kyle sk...@cascadecaverns.com wrote: Jerry did surveying but no lighting work. Scott On Jul 22, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Reason why I was asking, you sent me an email a couple of weeks ago, asking for my cell for Jerry Atkin, but I never received a call from him, so was curious if anything was done. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Scott Kyle sk...@cascadecaverns.com wrote: Charles: I don't think any work has been done. I believe Ryan didn't do any wiring work. Thanks again, Scott
texascavers Digest 26 Jul 2010 17:26:30 -0000 Issue 1112
texascavers Digest 26 Jul 2010 17:26:30 - Issue 1112 Topics (messages 15558 through 15565): Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole : 15558 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com 15562 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 15563 by: Fritz Holt Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : 15559 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com 15565 by: Nico Escamilla Re: Italian diver reaches 203m depth in Vrelo cave 15560 by: Mark Minton sort of NSS Convention related 15561 by: David Cave of the Yellow Dog 15564 by: Ron Ralph Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole Watch as millions of bats retreat into the depths of Devil's Sinkhole each morning, emerge each night By _Pam LeBlanc_ (http://www.statesman.com/life/travel/things-get-batty-at-devils-sinkhole-821394.html?service=popupauthorContact=821394authorContact Field=0) AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Published: 2:19 p.m. Saturday, July 24, 2010 Fist-sized mammals are zinging past me from all sides, dive-bombing into a gaping sinkhole punched into the parched landscape three hours southwest of Austin. It's not quite dawn, and the Mexican free-tailed bats are coming home after a night of gorging. I know bats are designed for night flight, but it still feels like I'll be thwacked in the head if I stand up straight. Instead, I'm crouched on a platform that extends over the side of the crater, which plunges to nearly 400 feet at its deepest point. The musty aroma of bat guano hangs in the air. I'm here with my friend Marcy Stell-fox and two representatives of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. We're the only ones at this state natural area, six miles from Rocksprings. We arrived last night, set up camp and ate dinner before walking over to the sinkhole to watch bats leave for the evening. We had company for that show. About 30 tourists who boarded a bus at the Rocksprings Visitors Center gathered around the sinkhole with us, oohing and aahing as the stream of bats whirled counterclockwise out of the hole in the ground a little after 9 p.m. A fat owl, looking to grab an airborne snack, sat on a ledge inside the sinkhole watching the proceedings, too. I have always wanted more people to see it, said Carolyn Anderson, a representative of the Friends of the Devil's Sinkhole who led the evening tour. She grew up in the area and remembers riding here on horseback as a child. It's indescribable. You wouldn't believe in this old dry country that these creatures are all around us, she told us. The night performance was good, but this dawn show is spectacular. We staggered out of our tents and onto the viewing platform at 5:30 a.m. We noticed the sound first — a voop, voop that reminded me of millions of tiny umbrellas opening in a stiff wind. Now the tiny caped crusaders are zooming in from all points. It's like it's raining bats, Stellfox says as the bat storm picks up. The creatures blaze past like shooting stars, slamming on the brakes as they enter the sinkhole's opening, which measures 60 feet by 40 feet. Home, boys! chuckles David Riskind, director of the natural resources program for Texas Parks and Wildlife. Full bat speed! By 6:20 a.m., it's all but over for the bats. A few stragglers zip in, but that flapping plastic sound is fading. Scientists, who climbed into the hole and measured the piles of bat waste, or guano, at the bottom, estimate that about 3 million of the insect-munching machines spend part of the year here. The best time to watch their flight is summer, when they cling beneath the limestone ledges in the sinkhole by day and dart out into the night to gobble up a diet of mostly moths by night. The colony is larger than the one underneath the Ann W. Richards Congress Avenue Bridge in Austin, where an estimated 1.5 million bats live. Unlike the Austin colony, which is considered the largest urban bat colony in North America, this one isn't a maternal group. It gets too cold in the depths of the sinkhole for mothers to raise babies. Researchers have uncovered some interesting history about the site. Graffiti dating to the 1880s is carved into rock at the bottom of the cave. An early survey of the vertical cave, done in 1899, noted bats living in the sinkhole, and mentioned honeycombs at its entrance and a bear skull at the bottom. In the 1920s and early 1930s, men climbed down rickety ladders to mine the guano, which was used to make fertilizer and explosives. In the 1940s, U.S. soldiers captured bats, scheming to use them to deliver bombs to Japan during World
[Texascavers] Cave of the Yellow Dog
Cavers, For your information, the following film will be on the UT Campus Wednesday evening: Mongolian film screened: Cave of the Yellow Dog Description: The Center for Russian, East European and Eurasian Studies presents its annual summer series of films from the former Soviet Bloc. This summer the theme is youth in peril, and every Wednesday we will present features that examine youth social issues. This week's screening is Cave of the Yellow Dog (2001). Time: Wednesday, 7-9 p.m. Location: Geography Building (GRG), Room 102 Admission: Free URL: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/creees/events/14725 July 28: Cave of the Yellow Dog (Mongolia), 2001, 93 min. (drama) The young daughter of a Mongolian nomadic family forms a relationship with a stray puppy, but her parents fear it will attack their sheep and won't let her keep it. This G-rated family film provides a fascinating glimpse into nomad life. Ron I have no idea if there is a cave in the show.
Re: [Texascavers] Cave of the Yellow Dog
my recollection is that there wasnt particularly. interesting view of mongolia tho . . .
Re: [Texascavers] Cave of the Weeping Camel
Yeah but check out The Story of the Weeping Camel. Same director and no English. How'd they get the camel to cry on cue? I dunno about you but both films made the life of nomads look awfully tough and barren to me. Sinister and evil? I felt sorry for those folks living without infrastructure and/or on the outskirts of decrepit concrete housing centers. Ddin't make me like the Chinese govmnt one bit. Maybe I enjoy a level of comfort and connectedness beyond that of the target audience? Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Mon, 7/26/10, bmorgan...@aol.com bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: This is an exceedingly strange Chinese propaganda movie, and no, there is no cave. It is a Disneyesque magical realism portrayal of a plucky girl from a so called traditional Tibetan (Maybe mongolian? It looked like Mongolia)family spending the summer with their sheep. It is intended to show how happy and carefree life is under Chinese rule, and how both cultures can happily coexist while happy kids learn to count by piling up yak turds, but evil always lurks, for there are wolves! They are allowed to show evidence of their traditional beliefs, but you can be sure the Dalai Lama is conspicuously absent! What is completely weird is that all of the actors, who appear to be Tibetan and have Tibetan names, all speak perfect idiomatic midwestern English. At first I thought it was dubbing, but then I observed that every word on every person's lips, including those of little kids, was perfectly matched to their facial and body expressions. I focused intently, there wasn't a single slip, so the producers must have gone to extraordinary lengths. It just goes to show how intent the Chinese are on producing good propaganda. I was so impressed that I decided to watch another Chinese Tibetan propaganda film. I have forgotten the name, but it was about a group of Chinese Possum Cops led by a Tibetan turncoat who hunt down and kill a band of peasant poachers who are after Chiru antelope. The scenes are harrowing, instead of happy kids at play in wildflower meadows, it is high altitude hell where everybody's fingers fall off and nobody can breathe. The goal is to show how horrible Tibet and Tibetans are, and how enviros ought to support the Chinese who are clearly superior to the benighted greedy superstitious fuzzy bunny killing peasants. If the reality of Tibet is even remotely similar to the frozen wasteland shown in the flick then you can cancel my reservation! I got the impression that the first flick is entirely intended for Gringo audiences, and that the second, which was of much lower quality, was intended for home consumption. Both flicks are sinister, evil, and interestingly different from the propaganda to which we are accustomed. Sleazeweazel
[Texascavers] Cave of the Yellow Dog
Cave of the Yellow Dog (Mongolia), 2001, 93 min. (drama) The young daughter of a Mongolian nomadic family forms a relationship with a stray puppy, but her parents fear it will attack their sheep and won’t let her keep it. This G-rated family film provides a fascinating glimpse into nomad life. Ron I have no idea if there is a cave in the show. This is an exceedingly strange Chinese propaganda movie, and no, there is no cave. It is a Disneyesque magical realism portrayal of a plucky girl from a so called traditional Tibetan (Maybe mongolian? It looked like Mongolia)family spending the summer with their sheep. It is intended to show how happy and carefree life is under Chinese rule, and how both cultures can happily coexist while happy kids learn to count by piling up yak turds, but evil always lurks, for there are wolves! They are allowed to show evidence of their traditional beliefs, but you can be sure the Dalai Lama is conspicuously absent! What is completely weird is that all of the actors, who appear to be Tibetan and have Tibetan names, all speak perfect idiomatic midwestern English. At first I thought it was dubbing, but then I observed that every word on every person's lips, including those of little kids, was perfectly matched to their facial and body expressions. I focused intently, there wasn't a single slip, so the producers must have gone to extraordinary lengths. It just goes to show how intent the Chinese are on producing good propaganda. I was so impressed that I decided to watch another Chinese Tibetan propaganda film. I have forgotten the name, but it was about a group of Chinese Possum Cops led by a Tibetan turncoat who hunt down and kill a band of peasant poachers who are after Chiru antelope. The scenes are harrowing, instead of happy kids at play in wildflower meadows, it is high altitude hell where everybody's fingers fall off and nobody can breathe. The goal is to show how horrible Tibet and Tibetans are, and how enviros ought to support the Chinese who are clearly superior to the benighted greedy superstitious fuzzy bunny killing peasants. If the reality of Tibet is even remotely similar to the frozen wasteland shown in the flick then you can cancel my reservation! I got the impression that the first flick is entirely intended for Gringo audiences, and that the second, which was of much lower quality, was intended for home consumption. Both flicks are sinister, evil, and interestingly different from the propaganda to which we are accustomed. Sleazeweazel
Re: [Texascavers] Cave of the Yellow Dog
I was so impressed that I decided to watch another Chinese Tibetan propaganda film. I have forgotten the name, but it was about a group of Chinese Possum Cops led by a Tibetan turncoat who hunt down and kill a band of peasant poachers who are after Chiru antelope. The scenes are harrowing, instead of happy kids at play in wildflower meadows, it is high altitude hell where everybody's fingers fall off and nobody can breathe. The goal is to show how horrible Tibet and Tibetans are, and how enviros ought to support the Chinese who are clearly superior to the benighted greedy superstitious fuzzy bunny killing peasants. If the reality of Tibet is even remotely similar to the frozen wasteland shown in the flick then you can cancel my reservation! How interesting that Han Chinese government propaganda would depict the Tibetans as ill-adapted to their high altitude environment, when a recent genomic study has shown that indeed the residents of the Tibetan plateau are the only human population that has evolved to adapt to such an environment. This study was recently published in the journal Science (Sequencing of 50 Human Exomes Reveals Adaptation to High Altitude Science 2 July 2010: Vol. 329. no. 5987, pp. 75 - 78, DOI: 10.1126/science.1190371--many of the authors are Chinese). The gist of the article is as follows: The Tibetan plateau has been inhabited for around 25,000 years. It has long been observed that people who are not native to elevations higher than 4,000 meters respond to the lower concentration of oxygen at high altitude by synthesizing a much larger number of red blood cells in order to increase their hemoglobin concentration (the well-known natural blood doping effect). This creates complications due to increased blood viscosity, and can actually compromise transfer of oxygen from hemoglobin to peripheral tissues. Native Tibetans do not display an increased number of red blood cells, and actually appear to have a similar number of red blood cells as people who reside at sea level. How is this possible? The researchers found that multiple proteins in a signaling pathway related to response to hypoxia (low oxygen) were mutated to facilitate transfer of oxygen from hemoglobin to the peripheral tissues at the reduced oxygen conditions found at high elevations. Hence no need for extra red blood cells! The estimated rate of mutations in the genes in this pathway is a faster rate of change than previously observed for any human gene, and the authors say this represents the strongest instance of natural selection seen to date in the human population. Also, populations that reside at high altitude in the Andes do not show the same changes, probably because they haven't lived at high altitude for as long as the Tibetans. The authors didn't address the question that immediately jumped to my mind: what happens to Tibetans when they go to sea level? Do they lose red blood cells? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] News about Laguna DeSanches via Facebook
Vladimir Ramirez http://www.facebook.com/vladimir.rmz Good news you can get to Laguna de Sanchez by the road of Saltillo, its complety accesible-WaV
texascavers Digest 27 Jul 2010 00:46:15 -0000 Issue 1113
texascavers Digest 27 Jul 2010 00:46:15 - Issue 1113 Topics (messages 15566 through 15575): Re: Cave of the Yellow Dog 15566 by: Nancy Weaver 15567 by: BMorgan994.aol.com 15573 by: Diana Tomchick Re: Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : 15568 by: Fritz Holt 15572 by: Nico Escamilla Re: free-tailed bats 15569 by: Jim Kennedy 15571 by: Fritz Holt 15575 by: Rod Goke Re: Cave of the Weeping Camel 15570 by: Andy Gluesenkamp News about Laguna DeSanches via Facebook 15574 by: Don Cooper Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- my recollection is that there wasnt particularly. interesting view of mongolia tho . . .---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Cave of the Yellow Dog (Mongolia), 2001, 93 min. (drama) The young daughter of a Mongolian nomadic family forms a relationship with a stray puppy, but her parents fear it will attack their sheep and won’t let her keep it. This G-rated family film provides a fascinating glimpse into nomad life. Ron I have no idea if there is a cave in the show. This is an exceedingly strange Chinese propaganda movie, and no, there is no cave. It is a Disneyesque magical realism portrayal of a plucky girl from a so called traditional Tibetan (Maybe mongolian? It looked like Mongolia)family spending the summer with their sheep. It is intended to show how happy and carefree life is under Chinese rule, and how both cultures can happily coexist while happy kids learn to count by piling up yak turds, but evil always lurks, for there are wolves! They are allowed to show evidence of their traditional beliefs, but you can be sure the Dalai Lama is conspicuously absent! What is completely weird is that all of the actors, who appear to be Tibetan and have Tibetan names, all speak perfect idiomatic midwestern English. At first I thought it was dubbing, but then I observed that every word on every person's lips, including those of little kids, was perfectly matched to their facial and body expressions. I focused intently, there wasn't a single slip, so the producers must have gone to extraordinary lengths. It just goes to show how intent the Chinese are on producing good propaganda. I was so impressed that I decided to watch another Chinese Tibetan propaganda film. I have forgotten the name, but it was about a group of Chinese Possum Cops led by a Tibetan turncoat who hunt down and kill a band of peasant poachers who are after Chiru antelope. The scenes are harrowing, instead of happy kids at play in wildflower meadows, it is high altitude hell where everybody's fingers fall off and nobody can breathe. The goal is to show how horrible Tibet and Tibetans are, and how enviros ought to support the Chinese who are clearly superior to the benighted greedy superstitious fuzzy bunny killing peasants. If the reality of Tibet is even remotely similar to the frozen wasteland shown in the flick then you can cancel my reservation! I got the impression that the first flick is entirely intended for Gringo audiences, and that the second, which was of much lower quality, was intended for home consumption. Both flicks are sinister, evil, and interestingly different from the propaganda to which we are accustomed. Sleazeweazel ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I was so impressed that I decided to watch another Chinese Tibetan propaganda film. I have forgotten the name, but it was about a group of Chinese Possum Cops led by a Tibetan turncoat who hunt down and kill a band of peasant poachers who are after Chiru antelope. The scenes are harrowing, instead of happy kids at play in wildflower meadows, it is high altitude hell where everybody's fingers fall off and nobody can breathe. The goal is to show how horrible Tibet and Tibetans are, and how enviros ought to support the Chinese who are clearly superior to the benighted greedy superstitious fuzzy bunny killing peasants. If the reality of Tibet is even remotely similar to the frozen wasteland shown in the flick then you can cancel my reservation! How interesting that Han Chinese government propaganda would depict the Tibetans as ill-adapted to their high altitude environment, when a recent genomic study has shown that indeed the residents of the Tibetan plateau are the only human population that has evolved to adapt to such an environment. This study was recently published in the journal Science (Sequencing of 50 Human Exomes Reveals Adaptation to High Altitude Science 2 July 2010: Vol. 329. no. 5987, pp. 75 -
Re: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bat$
Sounds like some sort of money-making scheme to me. Those damned taxonomists are bleeding us dry. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats To: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 7:46 PM Let's see, subspecies mexicana is part of the species brasiliensis... Sure, that makes perfect sense, ... as long as Mexico is part of Brazil. Right? ;-) -Original Message- From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org Sent: Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM To: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com, jerryat...@aol.com, Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats Our common free-tailed bat is _Tadarida brasiliensis_, subspecies _mexicana_. So it is perfectly acceptable to use either the species or subspecies epithet as a common name. Jim (currently in Elizabethtown, KY) On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: I have seen them referred to as Brazilian free-tailed bats in other written material and wondered if they were mistaken and should have said Mexican or are there two distinct varieties of free-tailed bats? What’s the answer, Jim? Fritz From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:26 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanc AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP :
Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanchttp://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html?service=popupauthorContact=822622authorContactField=0 AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html
RE: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP :
I have seen them referred to as Brazilian free-tailed bats in other written material and wondered if they were mistaken and should have said Mexican or are there two distinct varieties of free-tailed bats? What's the answer, Jim? Fritz From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:26 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanchttp://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html?service=popupauthorContact=822622authorContactField=0 AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html
Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP :
The scientific name for Mexican Freetailed Bat is Tadarida Brasiliensis.. I think thats what causes the confusion. Nico On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote: I have seen them referred to as Brazilian free-tailed bats in other written material and wondered if they were mistaken and should have said Mexican or are there two distinct varieties of free-tailed bats? What’s the answer, Jim? Fritz -- *From:* Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 12:26 PM *To:* jerryat...@aol.com *Cc:* Texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: *Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern* By Pamela LeBlanchttp://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html?service=popupauthorContact=822622authorContactField=0 AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html
Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP :
I think the confusion stems from the fact that there's simply a million brazillion of the dang things. On Jul 26, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote: Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanc AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html
[Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats
Our common free-tailed bat is _Tadarida brasiliensis_, subspecies _mexicana_. So it is perfectly acceptable to use either the species or subspecies epithet as a common name. Jim (currently in Elizabethtown, KY) On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: I have seen them referred to as Brazilian free-tailed bats in other written material and wondered if they were mistaken and should have said Mexican or are there two distinct varieties of free-tailed bats? What’s the answer, Jim? Fritz From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:26 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanc AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html
[Texascavers] RE: free-tailed bats
Thanks, Jim. It's enlightening to know that both are correct but I prefer the more commonly used Mexican. Fritz From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:04 PM To: Fritz Holt Cc: Nico Escamilla; jerryat...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: free-tailed bats Our common free-tailed bat is _Tadarida brasiliensis_, subspecies _mexicana_. So it is perfectly acceptable to use either the species or subspecies epithet as a common name. Jim (currently in Elizabethtown, KY) On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: I have seen them referred to as Brazilian free-tailed bats in other written material and wondered if they were mistaken and should have said Mexican or are there two distinct varieties of free-tailed bats? What's the answer, Jim? Fritz From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:26 PM To: mailto:jerryat...@aol.com jerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com Cc: mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, mailto:jerryat...@aol.comjerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanchttp://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html?service=popupauthorContact=822622authorContactField=0 AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.htmlhttp://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html
Re: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats
Let's see, subspecies mexicana is part of the species brasiliensis... Sure, that makes perfect sense, ... as long as Mexico is part of Brazil. Right? ;-) -Original Message- From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org Sent: Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM To: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com, jerryat...@aol.com, Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats Our common free-tailed bat is _Tadarida brasiliensis_, subspecies _mexicana_. So it is perfectly acceptable to use either the species or subspecies epithet as a common name. Jim (currently in Elizabethtown, KY) On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: I have seen them referred to as Brazilian free-tailed bats in other written material and wondered if they were mistaken and should have said Mexican or are there two distinct varieties of free-tailed bats? What’s the answer, Jim? Fritz From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:26 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanc AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats
Yeah, just like Texas is part of Mexico On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote: Let's see, subspecies mexicana is part of the species brasiliensis... Sure, that makes perfect sense, ... as long as Mexico is part of Brazil. Right? ;-) -Original Message- From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org Sent: Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM To: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com, jerryat...@aol.com, Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats Our common free-tailed bat is _Tadarida brasiliensis_, subspecies _mexicana_. So it is perfectly acceptable to use either the species or subspecies epithet as a common name. Jim (currently in Elizabethtown, KY) On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: I have seen them referred to as Brazilian free-tailed bats in other written material and wondered if they were mistaken and should have said Mexican or are there two distinct varieties of free-tailed bats? What’s the answer, Jim? Fritz From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:26 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanc AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats
The bats must think so, because we sure see a lot of Mexican free-tailed bats in Texas. Or are those Brazilian free-tailed bats, who think that Texas is part of Brazil? -Original Message- From: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com Sent: Jul 26, 2010 8:48 PM To: Rod Goke rod.g...@ieee.org Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats Yeah, just like Texas is part of Mexico On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote: Let's see, subspecies mexicana is part of the species brasiliensis... Sure, that makes perfect sense, ... as long as Mexico is part of Brazil. Right? ;-) -Original Message- From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org Sent: Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM To: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com, jerryat...@aol.com, Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: free-tailed bats Our common free-tailed bat is _Tadarida brasiliensis_, subspecies _mexicana_. So it is perfectly acceptable to use either the species or subspecies epithet as a common name. Jim (currently in Elizabethtown, KY) On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: I have seen them referred to as Brazilian free-tailed bats in other written material and wondered if they were mistaken and should have said Mexican or are there two distinct varieties of free-tailed bats? What’s the answer, Jim? Fritz From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:26 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Another LeBlanc article on caving : Kickapoo Cavern SP : Seems like bats no longer want to be Mexican and they turned Brasilian, LOL must be all the violence going on :-P On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:08 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Into the dark: Spelunk in the raw abyss of Kickapoo Cavern By Pamela LeBlanc AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Updated: 7:24 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Published: 5:07 p.m. Sunday, July 25, 2010 Besides the wild cave tours, which are offered by reservation only on Saturdays, the park is known for its bat population. From April through September, a colony of more than half a million Brazilian free-tailed bats swoops out of Stuart Bat Cave, which is slightly smaller than Kickapoo Cavern, on a nightly mission to feast on insects. http://www.austin360.com/recreation/into-the-dark-822622.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole :
Thanks for posting this article and the Kickapoo one, Jerry. As an aside, when did they start allowing overnight camping in order to view the morning re-entry? I wasn’t aware of this. Mark From: jerryat...@aol.com [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 9:38 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole : Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole Watch as millions of bats retreat into the depths of Devil's Sinkhole each morning, emerge each night By Pam LeBlanc http://www.statesman.com/life/travel/things-get-batty-at-devils-sinkhole-821394.html?service=popupauthorContact=821394authorContactField=0 AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF The night performance was good, but this dawn show is spectacular. We staggered out of our tents and onto the viewing platform at 5:30 a.m. We noticed the sound first — a voop, voop that reminded me of millions of tiny umbrellas opening in a stiff wind.
RE: [Texascavers] Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole :
Jerry, Mark. I was wondering the same thing when I read both posts this morning. I assumed Pam was allowed to camp by special permission from Mark, the TPW manager of the site, as she was doing a newspaper story on the sinkhole. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:06 AM To: jerryat...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole : Thanks for posting this article and the Kickapoo one, Jerry. As an aside, when did they start allowing overnight camping in order to view the morning re-entry? I wasn’t aware of this. Mark From: jerryat...@aol.com [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 9:38 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole : Things get batty at Devil's Sinkhole Watch as millions of bats retreat into the depths of Devil's Sinkhole each morning, emerge each night By Pam LeBlanchttp://www.statesman.com/life/travel/things-get-batty-at-devils-sinkhole-821394.html?service=popupauthorContact=821394authorContactField=0 AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF The night performance was good, but this dawn show is spectacular. We staggered out of our tents and onto the viewing platform at 5:30 a.m. We noticed the sound first — a voop, voop that reminded me of millions of tiny umbrellas opening in a stiff wind.
