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Super-secret 'bat bomb' project from So. Texas  caves might have ended WW II
 
Randy Beamer
 
Published: 11/19 9:41 pm 
 
Updated: 11/20 2:47 pm



 
KAPOW!

It was a super-secret project that was developed and  researched in San 
Antonio and South Texas during World War II.  And as I  discovered, it's still 
a big mystery today even to some top San Antonio  historians.

I stumbled onto this story of one of the strangest episodes  in San Antonio 
and even U.S. military history after a bat-slap.

Remember  when Manu Ginobili made every highlight reel in the world last 
year when he  swatted a wayward bat out of mid-air?
The little bat had delayed the game for  several minutes swooping around 
the players at the ATT Center until Manu  stunned it with a quick left, 
picked it up, and walked it off the court  .

That one weird little incident got me thinking and remembering how bats  
have played a surprisingly important role in San Antonio history.  Then I  
started doing a little research in my own bat-time.

But I had no idea  where that little bat-slap would lead me.

TO THE BAT CAVE!

The  smell of guano is overhwhelming. Standing at the mouth of the Bracken 
Bat Cave  north of San Antonio, it's not so much a smell but a vice grip 
that reaches up  your nose and into your head. Your nose twitches and your eyes 
start to  water.

Fran Hutchins helps out as a caretaker of the privately-owned  cave. He 
tells me 40 to 50 tons of bat poop -- that's guano -- have been  harvested out 
of the cave since the mid 1850's. And Hutchins, I see, has come  prepared.  
He and a friend have shown up with white bio-suits and masks  because 
they're going deep into the cave after our interview to check on poop  levels 
and 
such.

I had planned only for an interview, not a poop-check,  so I don't have a 
bat-mask. Our interview doesn't last terribly long once we  reach the edge of 
the stench.

But Hutchins is one of the few people I  found around San Antonio who knew 
anything about the bat-bomb project. Those I  talked with at some of our 
military and research facilities in town as well as  historians who I expected 
would know all about it -- didn't. Or they knew only a  little.

Maybe it was that guano smell.  Or the fact that the whole  thing was so 
unbelievably weird -- and ultimately never used.

ON THE ROAD  TO THE BAT BOMB

I did know something about our batty history and what  bats have meant 
here. After shooting and reporting on n all kinds of stories  here for more 
than 
25 years, I love the history of San Antonio, especially the  odd stuff.

I had heard, for example, that the old courthouse/city hall  that stood on 
Municipal Plaza in the mid-1800's was called The Bat Cave  because it was 
infested with so many bats.  I knew that bat caves here  provide tons of 
valuable guano that's used as high-grade fertilizer that's rich  with nitrates.

And I also knew that Bracken Cave is home to the biggest  single bat colony 
in the world with millions of Mexican Free-Tailed Bats  roosting there. 

And they have millions more bat-buddies hanging out in  caves, nooks, 
crannies, under bridges and kinds of places all over the Hill  Country and 
South 
Texas from spring to autumn, when they fly down to Mexico for  the winter. 

They're most impressive just before dusk when they swirl out  of caves like 
Bracken like an immense swarm of bees. Hutchins describes it as a  tornado 
blasting out of the mouth of the cave.  A tornado that keeps going  for 
several hours until all those millions of bats are out feasting on insects  
like 
mosquitoes. 

And I remembered stories I shot just last year  when the new stretch of the 
San Antonio River Walk opened and the discovery of a  bat-roost above the 
river and under the I-35 bridge turned the whole thing into  even more of a 
tourist attraction.

SERIOUSLY?

But the stuff about  our bats playing a role in two wars and even the quest 
for a Nobel Prize?  That I don't remember hearing about.

You see as it turns out, guano  isn't just a great fertilizer. It can also 
be leached into saltpeter which is  used to make gunpowder. And during the 
Civil War the Confederate Forces here  used our caves to mine tons of guano 
to help manufacture ammunition. Caves were  even guarded as there were plenty 
of Union sympathizers in Texas, though it was  officially a part 

Re: [Texascavers] Super-secret 'bat bomb' project from So. Texas caves might have ended WW II :

2010-11-21 Thread Don Cooper
A book title up there with others in the Should be a movie category - like
'Confederacy of Dunces'.
(Maybe the latter could be it's subtitle).

-WaV

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:52 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote:

  Super-secret 'bat bomb' project from So. Texas caves might have ended WW
 II

 *Randy Beamer*
  Published: 11/19 9:41 pm
  Updated: 11/20 2:47 pm

 KAPOW!

 It was a super-secret project that was developed and researched in San
 Antonio and South Texas during World War II.  And as I discovered, it's
 still a big mystery today even to some top San Antonio historians.

 I stumbled onto this story of one of the strangest episodes in San Antonio
 and even U.S. military history after a bat-slap.

 Remember when Manu Ginobili made every highlight reel in the world last
 year when he swatted a wayward bat out of mid-air?
 The little bat had delayed the game for several minutes swooping around the
 players at the ATT Center until Manu stunned it with a quick left, picked
 it up, and walked it off the court .

 That one weird little incident got me thinking and remembering how bats
 have played a surprisingly important role in San Antonio history.  Then I
 started doing a little research in my own bat-time.

 But I had no idea where that little bat-slap would lead me.

 TO THE BAT CAVE!

 The smell of guano is overhwhelming. Standing at the mouth of the Bracken
 Bat Cave north of San Antonio, it's not so much a smell but a vice grip that
 reaches up your nose and into your head. Your nose twitches and your eyes
 start to water.

 Fran Hutchins helps out as a caretaker of the privately-owned cave. He
 tells me 40 to 50 tons of bat poop -- that's guano -- have been harvested
 out of the cave since the mid 1850's. And Hutchins, I see, has come
 prepared.  He and a friend have shown up with white bio-suits and masks
 because they're going deep into the cave after our interview to check on
 poop levels and such.

 I had planned only for an interview, not a poop-check, so I don't have a
 bat-mask. Our interview doesn't last terribly long once we reach the edge of
 the stench.

 But Hutchins is one of the few people I found around San Antonio who knew
 anything about the bat-bomb project. Those I talked with at some of our
 military and research facilities in town as well as historians who I
 expected would know all about it -- didn't. Or they knew only a little.

 Maybe it was that guano smell.  Or the fact that the whole thing was so
 unbelievably weird -- and ultimately never used.

 ON THE ROAD TO THE BAT BOMB

 I did know something about our batty history and what bats have meant here.
 After shooting and reporting on n all kinds of stories here for more than 25
 years, I love the history of San Antonio, especially the odd stuff.

 I had heard, for example, that the old courthouse/city hall that stood on
 Municipal Plaza in the mid-1800's was called The Bat Cave because it was
 infested with so many bats.  I knew that bat caves here provide tons of
 valuable guano that's used as high-grade fertilizer that's rich with
 nitrates.

 And I also knew that Bracken Cave is home to the biggest single bat colony
 in the world with millions of Mexican Free-Tailed Bats roosting there.

 And they have millions more bat-buddies hanging out in caves, nooks,
 crannies, under bridges and kinds of places all over the Hill Country and
 South Texas from spring to autumn, when they fly down to Mexico for the
 winter.

 They're most impressive just before dusk when they swirl out of caves like
 Bracken like an immense swarm of bees. Hutchins describes it as a tornado
 blasting out of the mouth of the cave.  A tornado that keeps going for
 several hours until all those millions of bats are out feasting on insects
 like mosquitoes.

 And I remembered stories I shot just last year when the new stretch of the
 San Antonio River Walk opened and the discovery of a bat-roost above the
 river and under the I-35 bridge turned the whole thing into even more of a
 tourist attraction.

 SERIOUSLY?

 But the stuff about our bats playing a role in two wars and even the quest
 for a Nobel Prize?  That I don't remember hearing about.

 You see as it turns out, guano isn't just a great fertilizer. It can also
 be leached into saltpeter which is used to make gunpowder. And during the
 Civil War the Confederate Forces here used our caves to mine tons of guano
 to help manufacture ammunition. Caves were even guarded as there were plenty
 of Union sympathizers in Texas, though it was officially a part of the
 Confederacy.  You could say bat poop -- at that time -- was the stuff of
 bullets, not bombs, though that would change.

 But first it was back to fertilizing. After the Civil War, guano mining
 resumed for peaceful ends. Hill Country bat cave droppings helped green up
 lawns, gardens and crops for the growing population across the Southwest.
  As they still do.


 NOBEL BATS

 Then in the early 1900's the Texas Legislature nominated a top San 

Re: [Texascavers] Super-secret 'bat bomb' project from So. Texas caves might have ended WW II :

2010-11-21 Thread wa5pok
I have the book Bat Bomb, an interesting read. Got it on Amazon.

~F~


From: Don Cooper 
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:14 AM
To: jerryat...@aol.com 
Cc: Cavers, Texas 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Super-secret 'bat bomb' project from So. Texas caves 
might have ended WW II :


A book title up there with others in the Should be a movie category - like 
'Confederacy of Dunces'.  
(Maybe the latter could be it's subtitle).

-WaV


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:52 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote:

  Super-secret 'bat bomb' project from So. Texas caves might have ended WW II

  Randy Beamer
  Published: 11/19 9:41 pm 
  Updated: 11/20 2:47 pm

  KAPOW!

  It was a super-secret project that was developed and researched in San 
Antonio and South Texas during World War II.  And as I discovered, it's still a 
big mystery today even to some top San Antonio historians.

  I stumbled onto this story of one of the strangest episodes in San Antonio 
and even U.S. military history after a bat-slap.

  Remember when Manu Ginobili made every highlight reel in the world last year 
when he swatted a wayward bat out of mid-air?
  The little bat had delayed the game for several minutes swooping around the 
players at the ATT Center until Manu stunned it with a quick left, picked it 
up, and walked it off the court .

  That one weird little incident got me thinking and remembering how bats have 
played a surprisingly important role in San Antonio history.  Then I started 
doing a little research in my own bat-time.

  But I had no idea where that little bat-slap would lead me.

  TO THE BAT CAVE!

  The smell of guano is overhwhelming. Standing at the mouth of the Bracken Bat 
Cave north of San Antonio, it's not so much a smell but a vice grip that 
reaches up your nose and into your head. Your nose twitches and your eyes start 
to water.

  Fran Hutchins helps out as a caretaker of the privately-owned cave. He tells 
me 40 to 50 tons of bat poop -- that's guano -- have been harvested out of the 
cave since the mid 1850's. And Hutchins, I see, has come prepared.  He and a 
friend have shown up with white bio-suits and masks because they're going deep 
into the cave after our interview to check on poop levels and such.

  I had planned only for an interview, not a poop-check, so I don't have a 
bat-mask. Our interview doesn't last terribly long once we reach the edge of 
the stench.

  But Hutchins is one of the few people I found around San Antonio who knew 
anything about the bat-bomb project. Those I talked with at some of our 
military and research facilities in town as well as historians who I expected 
would know all about it -- didn't. Or they knew only a little.

  Maybe it was that guano smell.  Or the fact that the whole thing was so 
unbelievably weird -- and ultimately never used.

  ON THE ROAD TO THE BAT BOMB

  I did know something about our batty history and what bats have meant here. 
After shooting and reporting on n all kinds of stories here for more than 25 
years, I love the history of San Antonio, especially the odd stuff.

  I had heard, for example, that the old courthouse/city hall that stood on 
Municipal Plaza in the mid-1800's was called The Bat Cave because it was 
infested with so many bats.  I knew that bat caves here provide tons of 
valuable guano that's used as high-grade fertilizer that's rich with nitrates.

  And I also knew that Bracken Cave is home to the biggest single bat colony in 
the world with millions of Mexican Free-Tailed Bats roosting there. 

  And they have millions more bat-buddies hanging out in caves, nooks, 
crannies, under bridges and kinds of places all over the Hill Country and South 
Texas from spring to autumn, when they fly down to Mexico for the winter. 

  They're most impressive just before dusk when they swirl out of caves like 
Bracken like an immense swarm of bees. Hutchins describes it as a tornado 
blasting out of the mouth of the cave.  A tornado that keeps going for several 
hours until all those millions of bats are out feasting on insects like 
mosquitoes. 

  And I remembered stories I shot just last year when the new stretch of the 
San Antonio River Walk opened and the discovery of a bat-roost above the river 
and under the I-35 bridge turned the whole thing into even more of a tourist 
attraction.

  SERIOUSLY?

  But the stuff about our bats playing a role in two wars and even the quest 
for a Nobel Prize?  That I don't remember hearing about.

  You see as it turns out, guano isn't just a great fertilizer. It can also be 
leached into saltpeter which is used to make gunpowder. And during the Civil 
War the Confederate Forces here used our caves to mine tons of guano to help 
manufacture ammunition. Caves were even guarded as there were plenty of Union 
sympathizers in Texas, though it was officially a part of the Confederacy.  You 
could say bat poop -- at that time -- was the stuff of bullets, not bombs, 
though that would change.

  But first it was 

Re: [Texascavers] Super-secret 'bat bomb' project from So. Texas caves might have ended WW II :

2010-11-21 Thread dirtdoc


Devil Bill Adams was a good friend of mine and fellow ski patroller at Sierra 
Banca.  He became the Director of the Pro Patrol there and one of the best New 
Mexico EMT instructors.  You will see a youthfull Devil Bill with his father, 
Doc Adams, in one of the photos in the book, I think at the entrance of 
Bracken Bat Cave.  His tales were even more interesting than the book.  



A good read.  



And yes, his father actally named him Devil Bill. 



Dirt Doc. 





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[Texascavers] Video of the Day

2010-11-21 Thread David
This video gets pretty good at 2:15 and has a nice ending.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9QuKYkoFw

The only word that I caught was, galeria,

and Jack Daniels, which I presume has something
to do with the whiskey, and the discover's nickname
was Jack.

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