[Texascavers] Re: Facebook

[David]

One of the links I posted earlier was not right.

Try this one:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Texas-Caver-Discussion-Forum/100144753397480?v=wall

That is a temporary page.Someone with more Facebook expertise is
welcome to over-write it,
modify it, expand on it, etc. I only put it out there to talk
about Facebook related to Texas caving
issues, so that Cavetex would not get a bunch of unwanted post.

Here are some sites I left out:

 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12567860570

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Texas-blind-salamander/126902757353285

And,

Who are these folks?

 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=242762350877


Also, most of you know that all the major caving vendors are on
Facebook.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Gill Edigar]

Don't know if you've noticed but I post the same stuff on both of them
if I think it's interesting enough.
--Ediger

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:19 PM, David  wrote:
> Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
> CaveTex.
>
> Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and 
> socializing
> in a way that was never done on CaveTex.
>
> Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
> Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.
>
> Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver 
> has.
> Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
> not possible on Cavetex.
>
> Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
> planning feature
> of Facebook.    This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.
>
> As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
> several caving organizations in Texas.
>
> Below is an example:
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179
>
> I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete.     It is just a different form or 
> resource
> for communicating.
>
> Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
> CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
> or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
> bats.
>
> I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
> many of the other
> things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.
>
> It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.      All the latest
> cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
> tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.
>
> The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
> in Texas even more fun, or productive.    For example, a cave rescue call-out
> might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig 
> project.
> You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook 
> friends
> to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
> particular project.
>
> For example,
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive
>
>
> Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:
>
>     http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087
>
>
> David Locklear
> co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout
>
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713
>
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texascavers Digest 12 Jan 2011 03:58:41 -0000 Issue 1223

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texascavers Digest 12 Jan 2011 03:58:41 - Issue 1223

Topics (messages 16832 through 16840):

more free firewood
16832 by: Katherine Arens

TCMA in 2011
16833 by: Allan Cobb

Bat rescue in Australia
16834 by: Mark Minton

Re: NCRC Level I Cave Rescue call in Colorado Bend State Park in February
16835 by: DJ Walker

Happy 2011 from TCMA
16836 by: Saj Zappitello

TSS Work Session this week
16837 by: Ann Scott

January CBSP trip report
16838 by: Jim Kennedy

Facebook related
16839 by: David
16840 by: Gill Edigar

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OK, folks,
pecan is gone, but there still is about a chord of nice dry logs from 
other trees (less hardwoody, a few logs are hackberry, and most are 
something a little harder than that).


They are all trimmed (no side branches), but in various lengths from 
3-7 feet. All liftable.
Come pick it up.  The fence is down, and you can can drive to within 
about 5 feet of the pile across the back yard  (let's try for a 
dry-ish day, please).  If you want to bring your chain saw, make sure 
it's gas (no plugs within a long space).


let me know.  It starts going to the curb soon if no volunteers.
--

Katherine Arens Office Phones: (512) 232-6363
k.ar...@mail.utexas.edu Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies   FAX (512) 471-4025
1 University Station C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin   Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-0304

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Hello cavers!

As the new President of TCMA, I would like to make a few announcements.

I would like to welcome the new Board Members, John Brooks and Saj 
Zappitello, to the TCMA Board.


I would like to thank out-going Board Members Jon  Cradit, Joe Mitchell, and 
William RussellI for their years of dedicated

service.

I would like to thank the William Russell, Arron Wertheim, Joe Mitchell, and 
Michelle Bryant for their servive as officers in 2010.


I would also like to introduce the 2011 officers.

Allan Cobb -- President
Ron Ralph --Vice President
Co-Treasurers Michelle Bryant and Joe Ranzua
Secretary -- Ann Scott

I would also like to invite cavers to visit our caves. TCMA is dedicated to 
protecting caves as well as making caves accessible to cavers.  The caving 
community and TCMA members has been generous is helping us with our 
acquitions.  Please visit one or more of our preseves for your caving 
enjoyment.


As always, TCMA is looking to acquire caves.  If you hear of property with 
caves for sale, please contact Jerry Atkinson (jerryat...@aol.com), the 
chairman of the Aquisitions Committee.


Thanks for your support!

Allan Cobb
TCMA President 

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Forward from another list.  Check out the final photo of 
rescued bats.  (I'm sending this a second time because it originally 
contained an attachment.)


Mark Minton


From NBC Nightly News this evening --
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/07/5785212-widespread-australian-floods-displace-residents-wildlife

It's not only humans who are suffering due to the recent floods in 
Australia. Australian Bat Clinic and Wildlife Trauma Centre director 
Trish Wimberley and her carers have helped save 130 orphaned bats on 
the Gold Coast in past weeks. They saved 350 young bats during the 
2008 storm season but this year think there's more going on than 
just wild weather. Carers have visited several bat 'camps' on the 
coast in recent weeks to find four-week-old babies on the ground 
covered in maggots and fly eggs. Trish said: "They're coming down to 
feed on the ground. That makes them vulnerable. It's not a natural 
occurrence and shows there is trouble in the environment. "Bats are 
a barometer to what is going on in the environment. They're our 
canaries down the coal mine". The surviving youngsters will be 
bottle fed and kept either hanging on clothe

[Texascavers] Facebook related

[David]

Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than
CaveTex.

Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and socializing
in a way that was never done on CaveTex.

Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about
Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots.

Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver has.
Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were
not possible on Cavetex.

Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events
planning feature
of Facebook.This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings.

As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does
several caving organizations in Texas.

Below is an example:

 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179

I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource
for communicating.

Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on
CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers
or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and
bats.

I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and
many of the other
things I used to post about.   Most other cavers have too.

It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon.  All the latest
cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable
tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips.

The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving
in Texas even more fun, or productive.For example, a cave rescue call-out
might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig project.
You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook friends
to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that
particular project.

For example,

 http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive


Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at:

 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087


David Locklear
co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout

http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713

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[ot_caving] FW: Manure

[Fritz Holt]

Sailors, scholars and lovers of bat guano,

Can this be the true origin of the word? Inquiring minds want to know.

F


 Manure... An interesting fact


Manure:  In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything had to be transported by 
ship and it was also before the invention of commercial fertilizers, so large 
shipments of manure were quite common.

It was shipped dry, because in dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, 
but once water (at sea) hit it, not only did it become heavier, but the process 
of fermentation began again, of which a by product is methane gas of course. As 
the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) 
happen.

Methane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at 
night with a lantern, BM!


Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what 
was happening
After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the instruction 
'Stow high in transit' on them, which meant for the sailors to stow it high 
enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not 
touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane.




Thus evolved the term ' S.H.I.T ' (Stow High In Transit) which has come down 
through the centuries and is in use to this very day.

You probably did not know the true history of this word.

Neither did I.

I had always thought it was a golf term.

[Texascavers] January CBSP trip report

[Jim Kennedy]

Project date:   7-9 January 2011
Reported by:Jim Kennedy
Report date:11 January 2011
Person-hours:   262 hours (164 work, 98 travel)
Personnel: (23 folks)   Alexandra Albach, Gus Albach, Rebecca Albach,
Robert Albach, Don Arburn, Dale Barnard, Grace Borengasser, Laura Cox,
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Lydia Hernandez, Jim Kennedy, Vivian Loftin,
Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Joe Naderer, David Ochel, Denise
Prendergast, Ann Scott, Matt Turner, Nicholas Yasui, Matt Zaldivar, Andy
Zenker

This has been one of the best turnouts in recent years.  Six teams were
fielded, most concentrating on the recently-burned Lively Pasture area.
Two caves were mapped, many locations ground-truthed, more new karst
features found, a known karst feature was turned into a cave, and some
new caves were discovered, one of which (Marshmallow) is a pretty
exciting find with a lot of potential.


Team 1  Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner, Becky Albach, and (part time)
Gus Albach

Matt and I had several goals this weekend:  to remove the awkward
entrance rock at Rabbit Run Grotto (SAB222), enlarge the entrance at
K-46 (SAB704 - now renamed Rebeccas Rift), and ground-truth more caves
near Embryo Cave (SAB226) and Gas Pipe Cave (SAB267).  We accomplished
all of those, and more.

We once again drove back the access road toward the remote group camp
("Windmill Camp") and parked in a nearby clearing.  We carried our tools
and a rope and some rigging for Rabbit Run Grotto (SAB222).  We
demolished the big, awkward boulder straddling the entrance.  We were
going to set a couple of bolts to facilitate entry, but Jim forgot to
bring them.  A couple other groups caught up with this team about then,
and David (Team 2) began to rig the entrance and prepare for the survey.

The duo then took off for K-46 (SAB704) with Robert's younger daughter
Becky.  The threesome looked at some other caves and karst features
along the way, and quickly arrived at their destination.  About an
hour's worth of work had the narrow rift sufficiently enlarged that a
skinny team could probably fit.  The depth was measured with a Disto at
5.8m, so it is definitely a cave.  To commemorate Becky's hard work in
digging open this feature, it was renamed Rebeccas Rift.

They returned to Sharis Diet Cave (SAB205) to retrieve Team 3 and send
them on to Rebeccas Rift to push and map it, but they were already done
and gone.  They were found again at Rabbit Run Grotto, briefed, and sent
off to Rebeccas Rift.  Team 1 then picked up Gus Albach and headed off
to find more caves.

Trapdoor Cave (SAB690) was finally GPSed.  They then found Gas Pipe Cave
(SAB267), which had two sets of coordinates, both wrong.  Good
coordinates were gathered.  Then off to Embryo Cave (SAB226), where
better coordinates were also collected.  Slick Mudder Cave (SAB225) was
also mislocated, but eventually found and recorded.  However, it is not
a cave, just a shallow karst feature filled with sediment.  We found the
tag on a nearby tree, so we knew that this is the "cave" that is in our
database.  We wandered around some more trying to find other nearby
caves with the GPS.  Cave Number 6 (SAB224) eluded us, even though we
all walked several circles around where it was supposed to be. A small
crevice sort-of nearby was found, but it wasn't tagged (so far called
"Crevice Karst Feature").  The team also re-found SABK045, an unnamed
karst feature, and SB231, and unnamed cave in a dense thicket.
Coordinates were a bit off for both, and it is unsure whether or not
they are actually on the Park property, so no further investigation of
these two occurred.  One more obvious trash-filled sink ("Trash Sink")
right next to the road was also recorded.  Surprisingly, no one ever
recorded it before.

The highlight of the day, however, came with the discovery of another
new cave, Marshmallow Cave (no SAB number yet).  As usual, Jim noticed a
shallow slump under some trees.  A few rocks were removed, revealing a
larger collapse, mostly covered by soil and large rocks.  After an hour
or so of work by Jim, Matt, and the kids, the entrance was large enough
for Jim to enter.  A fairly easy climbdown of about 3.5 meters opened to
a dry stream crawl of easy hands-and-knees dimensions.  After about 30m,
the passage picked up another infeeder, and dropped 4m to another going
dry stream passage.  The air was a little bad there, and two
impressionable young children were along, so it was decided not to try
anything foolhardy at that point.  This cave is trending towards Tie
Slide Creek, and looks like a good one.  Becky came up with the name,
based on the white rocks at the entrance.

After arriving back at the trucks, Jim decided to make one more journey
back to Rabbit Run Grotto to check on the status of the other teams.
Heading in a GPS-directed beeline, he soon found two more good looking
leads that will need enlarging, but should turn into a cave, Cairn Sink
1 and Cairn Sink 2.  People and gear were

[Texascavers] TSS Work Session this week

[Ann Scott]

Cavers:
There is a scheduled second Wednesday work session of the Texas  
Speleological Survey on January 12th, tomorrow, at the JJ Pickle  
Research Center on Burnet Road north of highway 183. Both publication  
sales and the library will be open.  We will be working on many  
projects such as our office computer system, scanning more maps,  
filing publications in the library, and doing other administrative  
chores as needed.  If you have a particular cave you would like to  
know more about, this is a good time to look it up.


The door will be open at 5:00 p.m. and stay open till we adjourn. The  
TSS office phone has been removed so if you get lost or stopped by the  
guard, call me or someone you think might be there (this week, Ron  
Ralph at cell 797-3817 or Ann Scott at cell 731-5823). Remember it is  
best to arrive before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not let you in!


The TSS facility is on the third floor of building 18-A at PRC, which  
is located in northwest Austin between Research and Braker, and Mopac  
and Burnet.  The entrance is on Burnet Road, just north of the light  
at Rutland.  Building 18-A is labeled“TM2” on UT’s PRC map located at http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/areas/sw.html 
, in case you need more detail, or get the directions from the TSS  
website (below).


If you have questions or problems, please contact Ron at  
ronralph(at)austin.rr.com or the office manager, Jim Kennedy. Please  
go tohttp://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/tsscalendar.htm for  
additional information.

We hope to see you there tomorrow!
Ann
TSS Director

Ann Scott, PhD, RPA
Research Fellow, Texas/Mesoamerican Archaeological Research Laboratory
The University of Texas at Austin
mayaca...@mail.utexas.edu










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[TCMA-List] Happy 2011 from TCMA

[Saj Zappitello]

Happy 2011 from the TCMA!



This year the TCMA will be turning 25 in October, so help us celebrate Texas
Caves all year by supporting cave conservation and doing what we all do
best… caving!



The TCMA has 204 members as of the end of 2010, which is 22 members more
than 2009.



New officers for the year 2011 are:

President- Allan Cobb

Vice President- Ron Ralph

Secretary- Ann Scott

Co-Treasurers- Michelle Bryant and Joe Ranzau



The best way to get involved and volunteer with the TCMA is to volunteer
when a project happens at a preserve or to join a committee.



Committee chairs for this year are:



Preserves Committee- Jim Kennedy

Finance Committee- Arron Wertheim

Nominations Committee- Joe Ranzau

Acquisitions Committee- Jerry Atkinson

Budget Committee- Ron Ralph

Database Committee- Ron Ralph

Fundraising Committee- Saj Zappitello

Insurance Committee- Arron Wertheim

Membership Committee- Don Arburn

Communications Committee- Kevin McGowan

Bylaws Committee- Joe Mitchell

Archives Committee- Linda Palit



Current Board of Directors Includes:



Arron Wertheim

Michelle Bryant

Saj Zappitello

Don Arburn

Allan Cobb

Jim Kennedy

Linda Palit

Ron Ralph

Matt Turner

Joe Ranzau

Jerry Atkinson

John  Brooks


Don’t forget to visit our website to check the calendar and find out more
about our projects. www.tcmacaves.org
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[Texascavers] Happy 2011 from TCMA

[Saj Zappitello]

Happy 2011 from the TCMA!



This year the TCMA will be turning 25 in October, so help us celebrate Texas
Caves all year by supporting cave conservation and doing what we all do
best… caving!



The TCMA has 204 members as of the end of 2010, which is 22 members more
than 2009.



New officers for the year 2011 are:

President- Allan Cobb

Vice President- Ron Ralph

Secretary- Ann Scott

Co-Treasurers- Michelle Bryant and Joe Ranzau



The best way to get involved and volunteer with the TCMA is to volunteer
when a project happens at a preserve or to join a committee.



Committee chairs for this year are:



Preserves Committee- Jim Kennedy

Finance Committee- Arron Wertheim

Nominations Committee- Joe Ranzau

Acquisitions Committee- Jerry Atkinson

Budget Committee- Ron Ralph

Database Committee- Ron Ralph

Fundraising Committee- Saj Zappitello

Insurance Committee- Arron Wertheim

Membership Committee- Don Arburn

Communications Committee- Kevin McGowan

Bylaws Committee- Joe Mitchell

Archives Committee- Linda Palit



Current Board of Directors Includes:



Arron Wertheim

Michelle Bryant

Saj Zappitello

Don Arburn

Allan Cobb

Jim Kennedy

Linda Palit

Ron Ralph

Matt Turner

Joe Ranzau

Jerry Atkinson

John  Brooks


Don’t forget to visit our website to check the calendar and find out more
about our projects. www.tcmacaves.org

[PBSS] Fw: NSS IO INFO January 2011

[J. LaRue Thomas]

Received this from Keith Wheeland, the NSS board's Internal Organization 
(us) liason. Jacqui


Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:19 PM
Subject: NSS IO INFO January 2011



 Hi IO member,

Happy New Year from the IO Committee.

You are receiving this message because you are one the Contacts for your 
IO. Please make sure this message reaches the correct persons in your IO. 
Or distribute it to all members of your IO. This newsletter is a vital 
link in the communications chain within the NSS. This email is also being 
sent to those who are on the supplemental mailing list maintained by the 
IO Committee.


I've reprinted the COG message from the NSS President.

There are five items in this copy of the IO INFO.
1) Nominating Committee Seeks Director Candidates for Board
2) Karst Education Researcher needs Input
3) COG message from NSS president
4) IO annual Report reminder (Due during January for the calendar year 
2010)

5) Notes from the NSS Membership Committee.
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*1>Nominating Committee Seeks Director Candidates for Board *
-


The NSS Nominating Committee is looking for NSS members in good standing 
as director candidates for the 2011 Board of Governors election. In 
accordance with the NSS Bylaws, associate, family associate, and 
institutional members are exempt from the right to serve on the Board, as 
is any incumbent completing two contiguous full terms as director.
NSS members possessing professional experience in business management, 
budget analysis and development, advertising and marketing, fund raising, 
and strategic planning are valuable in the business operations of the 
Society. Elected directors should have good interpersonal skills and 
welcome the opportunity for interaction with their fellow members 
regarding current NSS issues and upcoming Board votes.
In 2011 the NSS director election will fill four board seats, each for a 
three-year term. Elected persons will take office Monday, July 18, 2011, 
at the NSS Convention in Glenwood Springs, Colorado.
In addition to a photo, nominees are required to submit a summary of 
biographical information and a platform statement. Detailed requirements 
for photo and platform submission will be sent at the time a candidate’s 
eligibility is verified and one is approved as a nominee. Candidate photos 
and ballot statements will be published on the Nominating Committee Web 
page linked from the NSS Web site as well as on the official election 
mailing or e-mail. Receipt deadline for nominee ballot submissions is 
February 1, 2011.

The members of the NSS Nominating Committee are:
Allan Weberg, 703-490-4882, aweb...@me.com  (Chairman)
Sarah Richards, 703-201-6909, srichs...@gmail.com 



Susi Weston, 703-901-9667, susiwes...@gmail.com 


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2Karst Education Researcher needs Input
---
My name is Leslie North and I am working on my dissertation at the 
University of South Florida focusing on karst education across the globe. 
The focus of my research in gaining an understanding of /informal/ karst 
education, which is education that occurs outside of formal school 
settings. Thus, my purpose for emailing is to ask for your assistance in 
understanding all of the cave and karst education opportunities geared 
towards the general public (show cave tour content, exhibits, programs, 
signs, talks, brochures, festivals, scout activities, etc.) that you may 
be aware. Any specific information you could provide would be so greatly 
appreciated. I am very interested to learn about all of the educational 
opportunities in an effort to fully explain karst education in the U.S., 
its challenges and successes. If you have information about this subject 
from abroad I would also be interested in hearing of it. If you know of 
somebody else I should contact please forward this email or pass along his 
or her email address to me, I would like to gather as much information as 
possible.


Specifically, I'm interested in efforts that your IO has pursued recently 
and/or any data that may have been collected as part of your positions. If 
you know of any specific approach which may be used to gather this 
information (survey, email, for example) please let me know.


Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions. If you prefer to 
also talk via telephone that will be fine as well.


Leslie North
352-551-8960
nor...@mail.usf.edu
University of South Florida
Department of Geography and Environmental Science and Policy, NES 107
4202 E. Fowler Ave.
USA,