Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
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Re: [Texascavers] A warning from the future.
Amen!!! Can we trade ³David from the Future² for our present-day ³David the well-meaning but compulsive OT Spammer²? On 5/20/11 3:00 PM, David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but I'm sending this from the future to tell you... to tell me... that something awful has happened. Things haven't been the same since Tzar Zuckerberg of Facebook merged Wal-Mart with the Department of Defense, but aside from the general hardship of life in the year 2035, sending an e-mail back in time is just not an easy task. I won't go into all the details, but it took 1.21 jigalumens of LED light and a 17th generation Facebook Blackberry to do it. You wouldn't believe the inaccurate treatment of caving in all the movies and shows I watch on Facebook. I've compiled a spreadsheet of all the ones I've encountered and will be sending that back in time also, once I can stockpile enough AA batteries to do so. Getting back to the reason I'm sending this... It's me. I mean you. It's us, David. I've seen the error of our ways. Ever since the exodus of 2012, Texans don't cave anymore. Nobody knew about the trips anymore because everyone quit the TexasCavers e-mail list. If only they'd switched to Facebook. Tzar Zuckerberg's mandate of 2017 made it illegal to quit Facebook. They'd all still be connected, and we'd be caving right now, or at least talking on Facebook about caving trips a few of us went on in the 1970s. The point is that I ruined it. You ruined it. We spammed Facebook with the most banal off topic minutia of our life and everyone left. Once everyone was off the list, they all just forgot about caving all together. I, you, collected thousands of flashlights and headlamps for the day when caving came back, but it never did. It had been like a game figuring out how to make my mundane passing thoughts tangentially related to caving in whatever irrelevant manner possible. If I'd wanted to dispatch a manifesto on bathroom tissue, I would have, because bowel movements do not stop for caving, and one time, while caving, I thought I might need to make a burrito bag, but alas, I did not. The threat was real, though, this I assure you. What the e-mail list should have been used for all along is simply dispatching information about upcoming caving trips, sharing trip reports from recent caving trips, and hosting the occasional meaty conversation about a cave related topic such as cave geology, biology, safety, even a Werner Herzog film about a cave. It's time to stop using this e-mail list as a vanity fueled megaphone for our ramblings. Maybe our closest friends care about all we have to say, but those people out there on the e-mail list aren't all our closest friends. Many of them have never even met us. I see now that sending e-mails like that out just damages the community because we're running people off who might otherwise participate in this list if it weren't congested with our terrible posts. If we stop now, in the year 2011, which the great exodus looming, maybe caving can be saved. I really want to have a use for all these flashlights and headlamps. Although, on the topic of bathroom tissue, if you ever need any, I highly recommend Facebook Brand Bum Wipes. They're strong, and absorbent. I haven't had any of them tear on me yet. They could be softer, but I'll take utility over comfort any day. I've pushed the LIKE button on their Facebook page, and I recommend that all of you do too. David Locklear CEO of Natufest International, A subsidiary of The People's Republic of Facebook P.S. You all should really go on Facebook and download the new Wu-Tang single when it comes out in 2020. I listened to it the other day while looking at my old caving photos on Facebook (which makes it on topic) and it's really excellent. I never thought I'd like Classical Music, but the gunshot sound effects on this one really are sublime. Also, in the early nineties they were considered 'undgeround' and caving is an underground activity. So it's doubly on topic. P.P.S. I'm going to go Facebook my Facebook Facebook. Facebook.
Re: [Texascavers] A warning from the future.
With all due respect - if David did not write the below, I find it to be completely inappropriate. Best of wishes to all of those having fun at NaturFest. Leslie Bell --- On Fri, 5/20/11, David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com Subject: [Texascavers] A warning from the future. To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 5:00 PM David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but I'm sending this from the future to tell you... to tell me... that something awful has happened. Things haven't been the same since Tzar Zuckerberg of Facebook merged Wal-Mart with the Department of Defense, but aside from the general hardship of life in the year 2035, sending an e-mail back in time is just not an easy task. I won't go into all the details, but it took 1.21 jigalumens of LED light and a 17th generation Facebook Blackberry to do it. You wouldn't believe the inaccurate treatment of caving in all the movies and shows I watch on Facebook. I've compiled a spreadsheet of all the ones I've encountered and will be sending that back in time also, once I can stockpile enough AA batteries to do so. Getting back to the reason I'm sending this... It's me. I mean you. It's us, David. I've seen the error of our ways. Ever since the exodus of 2012, Texans don't cave anymore. Nobody knew about the trips anymore because everyone quit the TexasCavers e-mail list. If only they'd switched to Facebook. Tzar Zuckerberg's mandate of 2017 made it illegal to quit Facebook. They'd all still be connected, and we'd be caving right now, or at least talking on Facebook about caving trips a few of us went on in the 1970s. The point is that I ruined it. You ruined it. We spammed Facebook with the most banal off topic minutia of our life and everyone left. Once everyone was off the list, they all just forgot about caving all together. I, you, collected thousands of flashlights and headlamps for the day when caving came back, but it never did. It had been like a game figuring out how to make my mundane passing thoughts tangentially related to caving in whatever irrelevant manner possible. If I'd wanted to dispatch a manifesto on bathroom tissue, I would have, because bowel movements do not stop for caving, and one time, while caving, I thought I might need to make a burrito bag, but alas, I did not. The threat was real, though, this I assure you. What the e-mail list should have been used for all along is simply dispatching information about upcoming caving trips, sharing trip reports from recent caving trips, and hosting the occasional meaty conversation about a cave related topic such as cave geology, biology, safety, even a Werner Herzog film about a cave. It's time to stop using this e-mail list as a vanity fueled megaphone for our ramblings. Maybe our closest friends care about all we have to say, but those people out there on the e-mail list aren't all our closest friends. Many of them have never even met us. I see now that sending e-mails like that out just damages the community because we're running people off who might otherwise participate in this list if it weren't congested with our terrible posts. If we stop now, in the year 2011, which the great exodus looming, maybe caving can be saved. I really want to have a use for all these flashlights and headlamps. Although, on the topic of bathroom tissue, if you ever need any, I highly recommend Facebook Brand Bum Wipes. They're strong, and absorbent. I haven't had any of them tear on me yet. They could be softer, but I'll take utility over comfort any day. I've pushed the LIKE button on their Facebook page, and I recommend that all of you do too. David LocklearCEO of Natufest International,A subsidiary of The People's Republic of Facebook P.S. You all should really go on Facebook and download the new Wu-Tang single when it comes out in 2020. I listened to it the other day while looking at my old caving photos on Facebook (which makes it on topic) and it's really excellent. I never thought I'd like Classical Music, but the gunshot sound effects on this one really are sublime. Also, in the early nineties they were considered 'undgeround' and caving is an underground activity. So it's doubly on topic. P.P.S. I'm going to go Facebook my Facebook Facebook. Facebook.
texascavers Digest 21 May 2011 21:09:25 -0000 Issue 1316
texascavers Digest 21 May 2011 21:09:25 - Issue 1316 Topics (messages 17833 through 17842): Re: Caver Gathering History 17833 by: Brian Riordan 17834 by: Fritz Holt A warning from the future. 17835 by: David Locklear 2035 17836 by: Bill Bentley 17837 by: Fritz Holt 17838 by: cvreeland 17841 by: Frank Binney 17842 by: Leslie Bell Re: Private message 17839 by: Bill Bentley 17840 by: Rod Goke Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Caver #10 Dude, what the bloody hell is going on? On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:51 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: This is a rough draft. __ Year 23 Conversation between host and cavers: Host:Folks I am having a feast in the year 25, two years from now. Caver #1:Yo, homey, you ain't with the Roman Empire. Host: Yeh, but this is special feast. Caver #2:Dude, get with the program. You are going about it all wrong. Host: I have special fish. Caver # 3We ain't riding our camels across the scorchin' desert for your stinkin fish. Host: I have a fancy grill. Caver # 4Dude, your missing the point. We don't eat fish. We only eat butterfly pasta with tofu. Host: But you have never had fish like this. Caver # 5Stop pestering us about this. Year 24 Host:The big feast is just a year away. Caver # 6: Who the f*ck are you ? What gives you the right? Host: The cavers here need a feast. Caver # 7 You ain't playing with a full-deck dude. The date of your feast is ridiculous. Host: But I have other places to be on the other side of the country. Caver # 8 We are tired of hearing about your drama. It is all about, look at me, look what I am doing. Host: I am just having a big feast for crying out loud. Why all the fuss? Caver # 9 Dude I am out of here.We are done talking. Year 25 Host: Feast a success.Thanks for coming. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- David, Ingenious, worth a read and a chuckle. Is this called a parody? Fritz -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 1:51 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Caver Gathering History This is a rough draft. __ Year 23 Conversation between host and cavers: Host:Folks I am having a feast in the year 25, two years from now. Caver #1:Yo, homey, you ain't with the Roman Empire. Host: Yeh, but this is special feast. Caver #2:Dude, get with the program. You are going about it all wrong. Host: I have special fish. Caver # 3We ain't riding our camels across the scorchin' desert for your stinkin fish. Host: I have a fancy grill. Caver # 4Dude, your missing the point. We don't eat fish. We only eat butterfly pasta with tofu. Host: But you have never had fish like this. Caver # 5Stop pestering us about this. Year 24 Host:The big feast is just a year away. Caver # 6: Who the f*ck are you ? What gives you the right? Host: The cavers here need a feast. Caver # 7 You ain't playing with a full-deck dude. The date of your feast is ridiculous. Host: But I have other places to be on the other side of the country. Caver # 8 We are tired of hearing about your drama. It is all about, look at me, look what I am doing. Host: I am just having a big feast for crying out loud. Why all the fuss? Caver # 9 Dude I am out of here.We are done talking. Year 25 Host: Feast a success.Thanks for coming. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but
Re: Texascavers and Facebook registration
Katie and Charles both made good points on this issue. I agree with Charles that makingTexascavers a member ofFacebook would be likely to generate too much unwanted traffic and drive more people away, but what if it were done with a separate FB (Facebook) list, similar to the existing OT list, to which cavers could subscribe if they were interested?Regardless of whether or not this is done, I agree with Jim and others that announcements of general interest to cavers should be copied to the mainTexascavers list even if they are posted to Facebook. The main reason for a separate FB list would be to give the Facebook enthusiasts a convenient way to copy messages to their caver friends who are not registered with Facebook, even when those messages are not sufficiently "on topic" to post onTexascavers.This might help somewhat to alleviate the split that has been growing recently within the caving community between those who want to use Facebook and those who do not. On one side, we have Facebook enthusiasts who are increasingly using Facebook to communicate with their caver friends and announce caving related events. They apparently either don't know or don't care much about the potential privacy pitfalls of Facebook and tend to assume that anyone who hasn't signed up for it has simply failed to do so out of ignorance about its benefits. On the other side, we have people (like myself) who have been resisting pressure to sign up for Facebook, because of concern about some of Facebook's privacy related policies and practices. In some cases, people may be reluctant to sign up strictly out of concern for their own privacy, and in other cases, people also may be concerned about the broader long range social implications of these policies and practices. After all, Facebook now has significantly more users than the entire population of the United States, so whatever it does can have major consequences, both nationally and internationally.Facebook hardly allows you to do anything until you "sign up", or register, with them, and this registration procedure demands your real name, email address, sex, and date of birth. Most troubling is the demand for your date of birth, since giving this information in combination with your name is technically similar to providing your social security number, in that, for most people, it forms a unique identifier which can be used to link whatever data Facebook has about you together with data about you in other databases. This information, like your social security number, has significant potential for misuse, either by identity thieves gaining unauthorized access to the data or by corporate and/or government entities using the database in ways you never anticipated. Consequently, it is information that should be given to a company only on a legitimate "need to know" basis, not just to any company that thinks it can generate more money from its database by including your date of birth. Facebook's sign up page claims that they require "all users to provide their real date of birth to encourage authenticity and provide only age-appropriate access to content," but, in my opinion, this hardly constitutes a legitimate "need to know." How does it "encourage authenticity" when people can just as easily lie about their date of birth as they can anything else? If they truly want the information to provide only age-appropriate access to content, then they could just as well ask whether your age falls within certain relevant ranges, without requiring your precise date of birth.A mechanism similar to what Katie suggested, but perhaps with a separate list to overcome the problem Charles mentioned, might help to bridge the gap between the users and the nonusers of Facebook within the caving community. Cavers concerned about Facebook's privacy issues might prefer to use this mechanism, just as people concerned about Google's privacy issues often prefer to use startpage.com or startingpage.com instead of google.com for their Google searches (something worth trying if you're not already familiar with it). I'm not sure whether or not the suggested mechanism would actually work out, but it's something for the cavers to consider if Charles is willing to look into it.Rodrod.g...@ieee.org-Original Message-From: Charles GoldsmithSent: May 19, 2011 11:41 AMTo: Katherine ArensCc: texascavers@texascavers.com, Mark MintonSubject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA-ANL, Facebook, and cavingKatie, it COULD, but I won't do it, I'm sorry, facebook just doesn't haveany proper filters in place, and it would just spam the list, driving morepeople away.Nice idea though.On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Katherine Arenswrote: Radical suggestion: could "texascavers@texascavers.com" become a member of facebook? If so, then what "it" posts could be forwarded to the list . . . katie Elegantly stated, Jim. I think David must spend more time on Facebook than most anyone I know, and I doubt he is representative of cavers in general.
[Texascavers] Robber Baron Today
Charles Nystrom had his Eagle Project at Robber Baron Cave today and he did an Excellent job. His project included the construction of a picnic table on the property and also the removal of sediment that washed into the cave when the railroad cribbing was removed some years ago. More than 30 people showed up and worked on the project. Brush and some sediment on the property were also removed. Charles really did a great job coordinating the project. There was a good mix of cavers, fellow JROTC members from his high school, and Venture Crew 410 members. His folks provided lunch for everyone (Thank you very much). After the work, Joe Mitchell and Charles led interested folks in a tour of Robber Baron Cave. Thanks to Joe Mitchell and the other caves that gave up their Saturday to work with a fine group of young men and women. Also to the Texas Cave Management Association for making their properties available for Scouts and Venture Crew members on Eagle projects. Thanks to Joe M, Ellie W, Mike H, Josh R, Lori H, Sue S, Aspen S, Steve G., Rob and Journey B, Cindi and Batrice, Evelynn and Kayla M, Fran H, James and Mimi J, and Zach S. Sorry if I missed anyone. Thanks, Geary Schindel
Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
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Re: [Texascavers] A warning from the future.
Amen!!! Can we trade ³David from the Future² for our present-day ³David the well-meaning but compulsive OT Spammer²? On 5/20/11 3:00 PM, David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but I'm sending this from the future to tell you... to tell me... that something awful has happened. Things haven't been the same since Tzar Zuckerberg of Facebook merged Wal-Mart with the Department of Defense, but aside from the general hardship of life in the year 2035, sending an e-mail back in time is just not an easy task. I won't go into all the details, but it took 1.21 jigalumens of LED light and a 17th generation Facebook Blackberry to do it. You wouldn't believe the inaccurate treatment of caving in all the movies and shows I watch on Facebook. I've compiled a spreadsheet of all the ones I've encountered and will be sending that back in time also, once I can stockpile enough AA batteries to do so. Getting back to the reason I'm sending this... It's me. I mean you. It's us, David. I've seen the error of our ways. Ever since the exodus of 2012, Texans don't cave anymore. Nobody knew about the trips anymore because everyone quit the TexasCavers e-mail list. If only they'd switched to Facebook. Tzar Zuckerberg's mandate of 2017 made it illegal to quit Facebook. They'd all still be connected, and we'd be caving right now, or at least talking on Facebook about caving trips a few of us went on in the 1970s. The point is that I ruined it. You ruined it. We spammed Facebook with the most banal off topic minutia of our life and everyone left. Once everyone was off the list, they all just forgot about caving all together. I, you, collected thousands of flashlights and headlamps for the day when caving came back, but it never did. It had been like a game figuring out how to make my mundane passing thoughts tangentially related to caving in whatever irrelevant manner possible. If I'd wanted to dispatch a manifesto on bathroom tissue, I would have, because bowel movements do not stop for caving, and one time, while caving, I thought I might need to make a burrito bag, but alas, I did not. The threat was real, though, this I assure you. What the e-mail list should have been used for all along is simply dispatching information about upcoming caving trips, sharing trip reports from recent caving trips, and hosting the occasional meaty conversation about a cave related topic such as cave geology, biology, safety, even a Werner Herzog film about a cave. It's time to stop using this e-mail list as a vanity fueled megaphone for our ramblings. Maybe our closest friends care about all we have to say, but those people out there on the e-mail list aren't all our closest friends. Many of them have never even met us. I see now that sending e-mails like that out just damages the community because we're running people off who might otherwise participate in this list if it weren't congested with our terrible posts. If we stop now, in the year 2011, which the great exodus looming, maybe caving can be saved. I really want to have a use for all these flashlights and headlamps. Although, on the topic of bathroom tissue, if you ever need any, I highly recommend Facebook Brand Bum Wipes. They're strong, and absorbent. I haven't had any of them tear on me yet. They could be softer, but I'll take utility over comfort any day. I've pushed the LIKE button on their Facebook page, and I recommend that all of you do too. David Locklear CEO of Natufest International, A subsidiary of The People's Republic of Facebook P.S. You all should really go on Facebook and download the new Wu-Tang single when it comes out in 2020. I listened to it the other day while looking at my old caving photos on Facebook (which makes it on topic) and it's really excellent. I never thought I'd like Classical Music, but the gunshot sound effects on this one really are sublime. Also, in the early nineties they were considered 'undgeround' and caving is an underground activity. So it's doubly on topic. P.P.S. I'm going to go Facebook my Facebook Facebook. Facebook.
Re: [Texascavers] A warning from the future.
With all due respect - if David did not write the below, I find it to be completely inappropriate. Best of wishes to all of those having fun at NaturFest. Leslie Bell --- On Fri, 5/20/11, David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com Subject: [Texascavers] A warning from the future. To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 5:00 PM David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but I'm sending this from the future to tell you... to tell me... that something awful has happened. Things haven't been the same since Tzar Zuckerberg of Facebook merged Wal-Mart with the Department of Defense, but aside from the general hardship of life in the year 2035, sending an e-mail back in time is just not an easy task. I won't go into all the details, but it took 1.21 jigalumens of LED light and a 17th generation Facebook Blackberry to do it. You wouldn't believe the inaccurate treatment of caving in all the movies and shows I watch on Facebook. I've compiled a spreadsheet of all the ones I've encountered and will be sending that back in time also, once I can stockpile enough AA batteries to do so. Getting back to the reason I'm sending this... It's me. I mean you. It's us, David. I've seen the error of our ways. Ever since the exodus of 2012, Texans don't cave anymore. Nobody knew about the trips anymore because everyone quit the TexasCavers e-mail list. If only they'd switched to Facebook. Tzar Zuckerberg's mandate of 2017 made it illegal to quit Facebook. They'd all still be connected, and we'd be caving right now, or at least talking on Facebook about caving trips a few of us went on in the 1970s. The point is that I ruined it. You ruined it. We spammed Facebook with the most banal off topic minutia of our life and everyone left. Once everyone was off the list, they all just forgot about caving all together. I, you, collected thousands of flashlights and headlamps for the day when caving came back, but it never did. It had been like a game figuring out how to make my mundane passing thoughts tangentially related to caving in whatever irrelevant manner possible. If I'd wanted to dispatch a manifesto on bathroom tissue, I would have, because bowel movements do not stop for caving, and one time, while caving, I thought I might need to make a burrito bag, but alas, I did not. The threat was real, though, this I assure you. What the e-mail list should have been used for all along is simply dispatching information about upcoming caving trips, sharing trip reports from recent caving trips, and hosting the occasional meaty conversation about a cave related topic such as cave geology, biology, safety, even a Werner Herzog film about a cave. It's time to stop using this e-mail list as a vanity fueled megaphone for our ramblings. Maybe our closest friends care about all we have to say, but those people out there on the e-mail list aren't all our closest friends. Many of them have never even met us. I see now that sending e-mails like that out just damages the community because we're running people off who might otherwise participate in this list if it weren't congested with our terrible posts. If we stop now, in the year 2011, which the great exodus looming, maybe caving can be saved. I really want to have a use for all these flashlights and headlamps. Although, on the topic of bathroom tissue, if you ever need any, I highly recommend Facebook Brand Bum Wipes. They're strong, and absorbent. I haven't had any of them tear on me yet. They could be softer, but I'll take utility over comfort any day. I've pushed the LIKE button on their Facebook page, and I recommend that all of you do too. David LocklearCEO of Natufest International,A subsidiary of The People's Republic of Facebook P.S. You all should really go on Facebook and download the new Wu-Tang single when it comes out in 2020. I listened to it the other day while looking at my old caving photos on Facebook (which makes it on topic) and it's really excellent. I never thought I'd like Classical Music, but the gunshot sound effects on this one really are sublime. Also, in the early nineties they were considered 'undgeround' and caving is an underground activity. So it's doubly on topic. P.P.S. I'm going to go Facebook my Facebook Facebook. Facebook.
texascavers Digest 21 May 2011 21:09:25 -0000 Issue 1316
texascavers Digest 21 May 2011 21:09:25 - Issue 1316 Topics (messages 17833 through 17842): Re: Caver Gathering History 17833 by: Brian Riordan 17834 by: Fritz Holt A warning from the future. 17835 by: David Locklear 2035 17836 by: Bill Bentley 17837 by: Fritz Holt 17838 by: cvreeland 17841 by: Frank Binney 17842 by: Leslie Bell Re: Private message 17839 by: Bill Bentley 17840 by: Rod Goke Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Caver #10 Dude, what the bloody hell is going on? On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:51 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: This is a rough draft. __ Year 23 Conversation between host and cavers: Host:Folks I am having a feast in the year 25, two years from now. Caver #1:Yo, homey, you ain't with the Roman Empire. Host: Yeh, but this is special feast. Caver #2:Dude, get with the program. You are going about it all wrong. Host: I have special fish. Caver # 3We ain't riding our camels across the scorchin' desert for your stinkin fish. Host: I have a fancy grill. Caver # 4Dude, your missing the point. We don't eat fish. We only eat butterfly pasta with tofu. Host: But you have never had fish like this. Caver # 5Stop pestering us about this. Year 24 Host:The big feast is just a year away. Caver # 6: Who the f*ck are you ? What gives you the right? Host: The cavers here need a feast. Caver # 7 You ain't playing with a full-deck dude. The date of your feast is ridiculous. Host: But I have other places to be on the other side of the country. Caver # 8 We are tired of hearing about your drama. It is all about, look at me, look what I am doing. Host: I am just having a big feast for crying out loud. Why all the fuss? Caver # 9 Dude I am out of here.We are done talking. Year 25 Host: Feast a success.Thanks for coming. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- David, Ingenious, worth a read and a chuckle. Is this called a parody? Fritz -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 1:51 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Caver Gathering History This is a rough draft. __ Year 23 Conversation between host and cavers: Host:Folks I am having a feast in the year 25, two years from now. Caver #1:Yo, homey, you ain't with the Roman Empire. Host: Yeh, but this is special feast. Caver #2:Dude, get with the program. You are going about it all wrong. Host: I have special fish. Caver # 3We ain't riding our camels across the scorchin' desert for your stinkin fish. Host: I have a fancy grill. Caver # 4Dude, your missing the point. We don't eat fish. We only eat butterfly pasta with tofu. Host: But you have never had fish like this. Caver # 5Stop pestering us about this. Year 24 Host:The big feast is just a year away. Caver # 6: Who the f*ck are you ? What gives you the right? Host: The cavers here need a feast. Caver # 7 You ain't playing with a full-deck dude. The date of your feast is ridiculous. Host: But I have other places to be on the other side of the country. Caver # 8 We are tired of hearing about your drama. It is all about, look at me, look what I am doing. Host: I am just having a big feast for crying out loud. Why all the fuss? Caver # 9 Dude I am out of here.We are done talking. Year 25 Host: Feast a success.Thanks for coming. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but
Re: Texascavers and Facebook registration
Katie and Charles both made good points on this issue. I agree with Charles that makingTexascavers a member ofFacebook would be likely to generate too much unwanted traffic and drive more people away, but what if it were done with a separate FB (Facebook) list, similar to the existing OT list, to which cavers could subscribe if they were interested?Regardless of whether or not this is done, I agree with Jim and others that announcements of general interest to cavers should be copied to the mainTexascavers list even if they are posted to Facebook. The main reason for a separate FB list would be to give the Facebook enthusiasts a convenient way to copy messages to their caver friends who are not registered with Facebook, even when those messages are not sufficiently "on topic" to post onTexascavers.This might help somewhat to alleviate the split that has been growing recently within the caving community between those who want to use Facebook and those who do not. On one side, we have Facebook enthusiasts who are increasingly using Facebook to communicate with their caver friends and announce caving related events. They apparently either don't know or don't care much about the potential privacy pitfalls of Facebook and tend to assume that anyone who hasn't signed up for it has simply failed to do so out of ignorance about its benefits. On the other side, we have people (like myself) who have been resisting pressure to sign up for Facebook, because of concern about some of Facebook's privacy related policies and practices. In some cases, people may be reluctant to sign up strictly out of concern for their own privacy, and in other cases, people also may be concerned about the broader long range social implications of these policies and practices. After all, Facebook now has significantly more users than the entire population of the United States, so whatever it does can have major consequences, both nationally and internationally.Facebook hardly allows you to do anything until you "sign up", or register, with them, and this registration procedure demands your real name, email address, sex, and date of birth. Most troubling is the demand for your date of birth, since giving this information in combination with your name is technically similar to providing your social security number, in that, for most people, it forms a unique identifier which can be used to link whatever data Facebook has about you together with data about you in other databases. This information, like your social security number, has significant potential for misuse, either by identity thieves gaining unauthorized access to the data or by corporate and/or government entities using the database in ways you never anticipated. Consequently, it is information that should be given to a company only on a legitimate "need to know" basis, not just to any company that thinks it can generate more money from its database by including your date of birth. Facebook's sign up page claims that they require "all users to provide their real date of birth to encourage authenticity and provide only age-appropriate access to content," but, in my opinion, this hardly constitutes a legitimate "need to know." How does it "encourage authenticity" when people can just as easily lie about their date of birth as they can anything else? If they truly want the information to provide only age-appropriate access to content, then they could just as well ask whether your age falls within certain relevant ranges, without requiring your precise date of birth.A mechanism similar to what Katie suggested, but perhaps with a separate list to overcome the problem Charles mentioned, might help to bridge the gap between the users and the nonusers of Facebook within the caving community. Cavers concerned about Facebook's privacy issues might prefer to use this mechanism, just as people concerned about Google's privacy issues often prefer to use startpage.com or startingpage.com instead of google.com for their Google searches (something worth trying if you're not already familiar with it). I'm not sure whether or not the suggested mechanism would actually work out, but it's something for the cavers to consider if Charles is willing to look into it.Rodrod.g...@ieee.org-Original Message-From: Charles GoldsmithSent: May 19, 2011 11:41 AMTo: Katherine ArensCc: texascavers@texascavers.com, Mark MintonSubject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA-ANL, Facebook, and cavingKatie, it COULD, but I won't do it, I'm sorry, facebook just doesn't haveany proper filters in place, and it would just spam the list, driving morepeople away.Nice idea though.On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Katherine Arenswrote: Radical suggestion: could "texascavers@texascavers.com" become a member of facebook? If so, then what "it" posts could be forwarded to the list . . . katie Elegantly stated, Jim. I think David must spend more time on Facebook than most anyone I know, and I doubt he is representative of cavers in general.
[Texascavers] Robber Baron Today
Charles Nystrom had his Eagle Project at Robber Baron Cave today and he did an Excellent job. His project included the construction of a picnic table on the property and also the removal of sediment that washed into the cave when the railroad cribbing was removed some years ago. More than 30 people showed up and worked on the project. Brush and some sediment on the property were also removed. Charles really did a great job coordinating the project. There was a good mix of cavers, fellow JROTC members from his high school, and Venture Crew 410 members. His folks provided lunch for everyone (Thank you very much). After the work, Joe Mitchell and Charles led interested folks in a tour of Robber Baron Cave. Thanks to Joe Mitchell and the other caves that gave up their Saturday to work with a fine group of young men and women. Also to the Texas Cave Management Association for making their properties available for Scouts and Venture Crew members on Eagle projects. Thanks to Joe M, Ellie W, Mike H, Josh R, Lori H, Sue S, Aspen S, Steve G., Rob and Journey B, Cindi and Batrice, Evelynn and Kayla M, Fran H, James and Mimi J, and Zach S. Sorry if I missed anyone. Thanks, Geary Schindel
Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
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Re: [Texascavers] A warning from the future.
Amen!!! Can we trade ³David from the Future² for our present-day ³David the well-meaning but compulsive OT Spammer²? On 5/20/11 3:00 PM, David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but I'm sending this from the future to tell you... to tell me... that something awful has happened. Things haven't been the same since Tzar Zuckerberg of Facebook merged Wal-Mart with the Department of Defense, but aside from the general hardship of life in the year 2035, sending an e-mail back in time is just not an easy task. I won't go into all the details, but it took 1.21 jigalumens of LED light and a 17th generation Facebook Blackberry to do it. You wouldn't believe the inaccurate treatment of caving in all the movies and shows I watch on Facebook. I've compiled a spreadsheet of all the ones I've encountered and will be sending that back in time also, once I can stockpile enough AA batteries to do so. Getting back to the reason I'm sending this... It's me. I mean you. It's us, David. I've seen the error of our ways. Ever since the exodus of 2012, Texans don't cave anymore. Nobody knew about the trips anymore because everyone quit the TexasCavers e-mail list. If only they'd switched to Facebook. Tzar Zuckerberg's mandate of 2017 made it illegal to quit Facebook. They'd all still be connected, and we'd be caving right now, or at least talking on Facebook about caving trips a few of us went on in the 1970s. The point is that I ruined it. You ruined it. We spammed Facebook with the most banal off topic minutia of our life and everyone left. Once everyone was off the list, they all just forgot about caving all together. I, you, collected thousands of flashlights and headlamps for the day when caving came back, but it never did. It had been like a game figuring out how to make my mundane passing thoughts tangentially related to caving in whatever irrelevant manner possible. If I'd wanted to dispatch a manifesto on bathroom tissue, I would have, because bowel movements do not stop for caving, and one time, while caving, I thought I might need to make a burrito bag, but alas, I did not. The threat was real, though, this I assure you. What the e-mail list should have been used for all along is simply dispatching information about upcoming caving trips, sharing trip reports from recent caving trips, and hosting the occasional meaty conversation about a cave related topic such as cave geology, biology, safety, even a Werner Herzog film about a cave. It's time to stop using this e-mail list as a vanity fueled megaphone for our ramblings. Maybe our closest friends care about all we have to say, but those people out there on the e-mail list aren't all our closest friends. Many of them have never even met us. I see now that sending e-mails like that out just damages the community because we're running people off who might otherwise participate in this list if it weren't congested with our terrible posts. If we stop now, in the year 2011, which the great exodus looming, maybe caving can be saved. I really want to have a use for all these flashlights and headlamps. Although, on the topic of bathroom tissue, if you ever need any, I highly recommend Facebook Brand Bum Wipes. They're strong, and absorbent. I haven't had any of them tear on me yet. They could be softer, but I'll take utility over comfort any day. I've pushed the LIKE button on their Facebook page, and I recommend that all of you do too. David Locklear CEO of Natufest International, A subsidiary of The People's Republic of Facebook P.S. You all should really go on Facebook and download the new Wu-Tang single when it comes out in 2020. I listened to it the other day while looking at my old caving photos on Facebook (which makes it on topic) and it's really excellent. I never thought I'd like Classical Music, but the gunshot sound effects on this one really are sublime. Also, in the early nineties they were considered 'undgeround' and caving is an underground activity. So it's doubly on topic. P.P.S. I'm going to go Facebook my Facebook Facebook. Facebook.
Re: [Texascavers] A warning from the future.
With all due respect - if David did not write the below, I find it to be completely inappropriate. Best of wishes to all of those having fun at NaturFest. Leslie Bell --- On Fri, 5/20/11, David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Locklear 2035 dlocklea...@gmail.com Subject: [Texascavers] A warning from the future. To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 5:00 PM David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but I'm sending this from the future to tell you... to tell me... that something awful has happened. Things haven't been the same since Tzar Zuckerberg of Facebook merged Wal-Mart with the Department of Defense, but aside from the general hardship of life in the year 2035, sending an e-mail back in time is just not an easy task. I won't go into all the details, but it took 1.21 jigalumens of LED light and a 17th generation Facebook Blackberry to do it. You wouldn't believe the inaccurate treatment of caving in all the movies and shows I watch on Facebook. I've compiled a spreadsheet of all the ones I've encountered and will be sending that back in time also, once I can stockpile enough AA batteries to do so. Getting back to the reason I'm sending this... It's me. I mean you. It's us, David. I've seen the error of our ways. Ever since the exodus of 2012, Texans don't cave anymore. Nobody knew about the trips anymore because everyone quit the TexasCavers e-mail list. If only they'd switched to Facebook. Tzar Zuckerberg's mandate of 2017 made it illegal to quit Facebook. They'd all still be connected, and we'd be caving right now, or at least talking on Facebook about caving trips a few of us went on in the 1970s. The point is that I ruined it. You ruined it. We spammed Facebook with the most banal off topic minutia of our life and everyone left. Once everyone was off the list, they all just forgot about caving all together. I, you, collected thousands of flashlights and headlamps for the day when caving came back, but it never did. It had been like a game figuring out how to make my mundane passing thoughts tangentially related to caving in whatever irrelevant manner possible. If I'd wanted to dispatch a manifesto on bathroom tissue, I would have, because bowel movements do not stop for caving, and one time, while caving, I thought I might need to make a burrito bag, but alas, I did not. The threat was real, though, this I assure you. What the e-mail list should have been used for all along is simply dispatching information about upcoming caving trips, sharing trip reports from recent caving trips, and hosting the occasional meaty conversation about a cave related topic such as cave geology, biology, safety, even a Werner Herzog film about a cave. It's time to stop using this e-mail list as a vanity fueled megaphone for our ramblings. Maybe our closest friends care about all we have to say, but those people out there on the e-mail list aren't all our closest friends. Many of them have never even met us. I see now that sending e-mails like that out just damages the community because we're running people off who might otherwise participate in this list if it weren't congested with our terrible posts. If we stop now, in the year 2011, which the great exodus looming, maybe caving can be saved. I really want to have a use for all these flashlights and headlamps. Although, on the topic of bathroom tissue, if you ever need any, I highly recommend Facebook Brand Bum Wipes. They're strong, and absorbent. I haven't had any of them tear on me yet. They could be softer, but I'll take utility over comfort any day. I've pushed the LIKE button on their Facebook page, and I recommend that all of you do too. David LocklearCEO of Natufest International,A subsidiary of The People's Republic of Facebook P.S. You all should really go on Facebook and download the new Wu-Tang single when it comes out in 2020. I listened to it the other day while looking at my old caving photos on Facebook (which makes it on topic) and it's really excellent. I never thought I'd like Classical Music, but the gunshot sound effects on this one really are sublime. Also, in the early nineties they were considered 'undgeround' and caving is an underground activity. So it's doubly on topic. P.P.S. I'm going to go Facebook my Facebook Facebook. Facebook.
texascavers Digest 21 May 2011 21:09:25 -0000 Issue 1316
texascavers Digest 21 May 2011 21:09:25 - Issue 1316 Topics (messages 17833 through 17842): Re: Caver Gathering History 17833 by: Brian Riordan 17834 by: Fritz Holt A warning from the future. 17835 by: David Locklear 2035 17836 by: Bill Bentley 17837 by: Fritz Holt 17838 by: cvreeland 17841 by: Frank Binney 17842 by: Leslie Bell Re: Private message 17839 by: Bill Bentley 17840 by: Rod Goke Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Caver #10 Dude, what the bloody hell is going on? On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:51 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: This is a rough draft. __ Year 23 Conversation between host and cavers: Host:Folks I am having a feast in the year 25, two years from now. Caver #1:Yo, homey, you ain't with the Roman Empire. Host: Yeh, but this is special feast. Caver #2:Dude, get with the program. You are going about it all wrong. Host: I have special fish. Caver # 3We ain't riding our camels across the scorchin' desert for your stinkin fish. Host: I have a fancy grill. Caver # 4Dude, your missing the point. We don't eat fish. We only eat butterfly pasta with tofu. Host: But you have never had fish like this. Caver # 5Stop pestering us about this. Year 24 Host:The big feast is just a year away. Caver # 6: Who the f*ck are you ? What gives you the right? Host: The cavers here need a feast. Caver # 7 You ain't playing with a full-deck dude. The date of your feast is ridiculous. Host: But I have other places to be on the other side of the country. Caver # 8 We are tired of hearing about your drama. It is all about, look at me, look what I am doing. Host: I am just having a big feast for crying out loud. Why all the fuss? Caver # 9 Dude I am out of here.We are done talking. Year 25 Host: Feast a success.Thanks for coming. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- David, Ingenious, worth a read and a chuckle. Is this called a parody? Fritz -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 1:51 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Caver Gathering History This is a rough draft. __ Year 23 Conversation between host and cavers: Host:Folks I am having a feast in the year 25, two years from now. Caver #1:Yo, homey, you ain't with the Roman Empire. Host: Yeh, but this is special feast. Caver #2:Dude, get with the program. You are going about it all wrong. Host: I have special fish. Caver # 3We ain't riding our camels across the scorchin' desert for your stinkin fish. Host: I have a fancy grill. Caver # 4Dude, your missing the point. We don't eat fish. We only eat butterfly pasta with tofu. Host: But you have never had fish like this. Caver # 5Stop pestering us about this. Year 24 Host:The big feast is just a year away. Caver # 6: Who the f*ck are you ? What gives you the right? Host: The cavers here need a feast. Caver # 7 You ain't playing with a full-deck dude. The date of your feast is ridiculous. Host: But I have other places to be on the other side of the country. Caver # 8 We are tired of hearing about your drama. It is all about, look at me, look what I am doing. Host: I am just having a big feast for crying out loud. Why all the fuss? Caver # 9 Dude I am out of here.We are done talking. Year 25 Host: Feast a success.Thanks for coming. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- David, It's me, David, from the future. It's taken the better part of a decade to do this, but
Re: Texascavers and Facebook registration
Katie and Charles both made good points on this issue. I agree with Charles that makingTexascavers a member ofFacebook would be likely to generate too much unwanted traffic and drive more people away, but what if it were done with a separate FB (Facebook) list, similar to the existing OT list, to which cavers could subscribe if they were interested?Regardless of whether or not this is done, I agree with Jim and others that announcements of general interest to cavers should be copied to the mainTexascavers list even if they are posted to Facebook. The main reason for a separate FB list would be to give the Facebook enthusiasts a convenient way to copy messages to their caver friends who are not registered with Facebook, even when those messages are not sufficiently "on topic" to post onTexascavers.This might help somewhat to alleviate the split that has been growing recently within the caving community between those who want to use Facebook and those who do not. On one side, we have Facebook enthusiasts who are increasingly using Facebook to communicate with their caver friends and announce caving related events. They apparently either don't know or don't care much about the potential privacy pitfalls of Facebook and tend to assume that anyone who hasn't signed up for it has simply failed to do so out of ignorance about its benefits. On the other side, we have people (like myself) who have been resisting pressure to sign up for Facebook, because of concern about some of Facebook's privacy related policies and practices. In some cases, people may be reluctant to sign up strictly out of concern for their own privacy, and in other cases, people also may be concerned about the broader long range social implications of these policies and practices. After all, Facebook now has significantly more users than the entire population of the United States, so whatever it does can have major consequences, both nationally and internationally.Facebook hardly allows you to do anything until you "sign up", or register, with them, and this registration procedure demands your real name, email address, sex, and date of birth. Most troubling is the demand for your date of birth, since giving this information in combination with your name is technically similar to providing your social security number, in that, for most people, it forms a unique identifier which can be used to link whatever data Facebook has about you together with data about you in other databases. This information, like your social security number, has significant potential for misuse, either by identity thieves gaining unauthorized access to the data or by corporate and/or government entities using the database in ways you never anticipated. Consequently, it is information that should be given to a company only on a legitimate "need to know" basis, not just to any company that thinks it can generate more money from its database by including your date of birth. Facebook's sign up page claims that they require "all users to provide their real date of birth to encourage authenticity and provide only age-appropriate access to content," but, in my opinion, this hardly constitutes a legitimate "need to know." How does it "encourage authenticity" when people can just as easily lie about their date of birth as they can anything else? If they truly want the information to provide only age-appropriate access to content, then they could just as well ask whether your age falls within certain relevant ranges, without requiring your precise date of birth.A mechanism similar to what Katie suggested, but perhaps with a separate list to overcome the problem Charles mentioned, might help to bridge the gap between the users and the nonusers of Facebook within the caving community. Cavers concerned about Facebook's privacy issues might prefer to use this mechanism, just as people concerned about Google's privacy issues often prefer to use startpage.com or startingpage.com instead of google.com for their Google searches (something worth trying if you're not already familiar with it). I'm not sure whether or not the suggested mechanism would actually work out, but it's something for the cavers to consider if Charles is willing to look into it.Rodrod.g...@ieee.org-Original Message-From: Charles GoldsmithSent: May 19, 2011 11:41 AMTo: Katherine ArensCc: texascavers@texascavers.com, Mark MintonSubject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA-ANL, Facebook, and cavingKatie, it COULD, but I won't do it, I'm sorry, facebook just doesn't haveany proper filters in place, and it would just spam the list, driving morepeople away.Nice idea though.On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Katherine Arenswrote: Radical suggestion: could "texascavers@texascavers.com" become a member of facebook? If so, then what "it" posts could be forwarded to the list . . . katie Elegantly stated, Jim. I think David must spend more time on Facebook than most anyone I know, and I doubt he is representative of cavers in general.
[Texascavers] Robber Baron Today
Charles Nystrom had his Eagle Project at Robber Baron Cave today and he did an Excellent job. His project included the construction of a picnic table on the property and also the removal of sediment that washed into the cave when the railroad cribbing was removed some years ago. More than 30 people showed up and worked on the project. Brush and some sediment on the property were also removed. Charles really did a great job coordinating the project. There was a good mix of cavers, fellow JROTC members from his high school, and Venture Crew 410 members. His folks provided lunch for everyone (Thank you very much). After the work, Joe Mitchell and Charles led interested folks in a tour of Robber Baron Cave. Thanks to Joe Mitchell and the other caves that gave up their Saturday to work with a fine group of young men and women. Also to the Texas Cave Management Association for making their properties available for Scouts and Venture Crew members on Eagle projects. Thanks to Joe M, Ellie W, Mike H, Josh R, Lori H, Sue S, Aspen S, Steve G., Rob and Journey B, Cindi and Batrice, Evelynn and Kayla M, Fran H, James and Mimi J, and Zach S. Sorry if I missed anyone. Thanks, Geary Schindel
