[ot_caving] FW: Oh, those wonderful $1.00 coins you are paying for

[Fritz Holt]

Many have probably seen this but do you think anyone has written their 
congressman to sponsor legislation to stop this waste?

Fritz

From


I would say this is unbelievable but it IS the federal government we are 
talking about.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/coins-costing-taxpayers-14076274

It is NO wonder this country is in the mess it is in.

Jackie

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

[tbsamsel]

Torys are the conservative party in the UK . James Cameron, the Prime Minster, has a country house in Chipping Norton, where Clarkson lives. They socialize with the News of the World set (Murdoch's bunch).

Episode 3: Mexicans
During the third episode of series sixteen, the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... and Mexican cars are just going to be lazy, feckless, flatulent, overweight oafs, leaning against a fence asleep looking like a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but can you imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican?!" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go back to sleep all day!" Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint. This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to BBC:



“
The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people.[47]
”
BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.[48] The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States.[49] Comedian Steve Coogan who has appeared on the show three times, criticised the programme for its pitiful apology, suggesting that the usual defence of "a bit of a laugh", or "harmless fun" was no longer appropriate, that the insults had gone too far, and described the comments as "as funny as a cold sweat followed by shooting pains down the left arm".[50] He also criticized the show for what he described as lazy, adolescent humour and "casual racism" in reference specifically to this episode.[51] Yahoo editor, Richard Evans, described the programme's conduct as another "Sachsgate waiting to happen".[52]
The presenters repeatedly referenced the incident in the following episodes of the series; on one occasion, after he and Hammond threatened each other with violence following a dispute over the Cool Wall, Clarkson described the situation as a "Mexican standoff". The set of the 41st series of Have I Got News for You, which depicts various recent news stories, includes a mocked-up image of Clarkson dressed like a Mexican in reference to the controversy.Aug 23, 2011 07:23:58 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:


I guess I'm too old, but I don't understand your jargon.
"... slagged Mexico" ?
"... is Troy scum"? Like pond scum?
can you explaine that to me?

Jon 



From: "tbsam...@verizon.net" To: jran...@gmail.comCc: texascavers@texascavers.comSent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:29 PMSubject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico
BBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:



http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php
MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and over the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's flagging tourismindustry.
The balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his country's violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour guide in a series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September on Public Broadcasting Service stations in the UnitedStates.
The president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas cavern, accompanied by Peter Greenberg, host of the "The Royal Tour" TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon Indian paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapasstate.
In the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly policy wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive against drug cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a few weeks, according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto Martinez.
"I have other duties that are more dangerous," Calderon jokes, 

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

[Rod Goke]

Your "explanacion" gives us a better understanding of what you meant by your remarks (which originally were as unclear to me as they were toJon), but what does any of that have to do with the original article aboutFelipe Calderon making caving videos to promotetourism? The original article cites "the world economic downturn" and "Mexico's drug violence, which has claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives" as reasons for declines in Mexicantourism, but it says nothing aboutJeremy Clarkson or bad jokes on the BBC. I certainly can see how the remarks you quoted from a BBC program could be viewed as insulting to Mexicans, but does anyone seriously believe that that has had anything to do with recent drops intourism to Mexico or withCalderon's attempts toboost Mexico's tourismindustry? Fear of increasing violence in Mexico has been a significant deterrent totourism, but the BBC comments you cited never mentioned that issue. What, then, is the relevance of BBC humor,Jeremy Clarkson, or the Torys? Is there some connection I'm missing here?Rod-Original Message-From: tbsam...@verizon.netSent: Aug 23, 2011 7:32 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)Torys are the conservative party in the UK . James Cameron, the Prime Minster, has a country house in Chipping Norton, where Clarkson lives. They socialize with the News of the World set (Murdoch's bunch).Episode 3: MexicansDuring the third episode of series sixteen, the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... and Mexican cars are just going to be lazy, feckless, flatulent, overweight oafs, leaning against a fence asleep looking like a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but can you imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican?!" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go back to sleep all day!" Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint. This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to BBC:“The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people.[47]”BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.[48] The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States.[49] Comedian Steve Coogan who has appeared on the show three times, criticised the programme for its pitiful apology, suggesting that the usual defence of "a bit of a laugh", or "harmless fun" was no longer appropriate, that the insults had gone too far, and described the comments as "as funny as a cold sweat followed by shooting pains down the left arm".[50] He also criticized the show for what he described as lazy, adolescent humour and "casual racism" in reference specifically to this episode.[51]Yahoo editor, Richard Evans, described the programme's conduct as another "Sachsgate waiting to happen".[52]The presenters repeatedly referenced the incident in the following episodes of the series; on one occasion, after he and Hammond threatened each other with violence following a dispute over the Cool Wall, Clarkson described the situation as a "Mexican standoff". The set of the 41st series of Have I Got News for You, which depicts various recent news stories, includes a mocked-up image of Clarkson dressed like a Mexican in reference to the controversy.Aug 23, 2011 07:23:58 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:I guess I'm too old, but I don't understand your jargon."... slagged Mexico" ?"... is Troy scum"? Like pond scum?can you explaine that to me?Jon From: "tbsam...@verizon.net" To: jran...@gmail.comCc: texascavers@texascavers.comSent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:29 PMSubject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in MexicoBBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.phpMEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a limb — and literally 

[ot_caving] FW: Oh, those wonderful $1.00 coins you are paying for

[Fritz Holt]

Many have probably seen this but do you think anyone has written their 
congressman to sponsor legislation to stop this waste?

Fritz

From


I would say this is unbelievable but it IS the federal government we are 
talking about.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/coins-costing-taxpayers-14076274

It is NO wonder this country is in the mess it is in.

Jackie

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

[tbsamsel]

Torys are the conservative party in the UK . James Cameron, the Prime Minster, has a country house in Chipping Norton, where Clarkson lives. They socialize with the News of the World set (Murdoch's bunch).

Episode 3: Mexicans
During the third episode of series sixteen, the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... and Mexican cars are just going to be lazy, feckless, flatulent, overweight oafs, leaning against a fence asleep looking like a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but can you imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican?!" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go back to sleep all day!" Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint. This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to BBC:



“
The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people.[47]
”
BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.[48] The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States.[49] Comedian Steve Coogan who has appeared on the show three times, criticised the programme for its pitiful apology, suggesting that the usual defence of "a bit of a laugh", or "harmless fun" was no longer appropriate, that the insults had gone too far, and described the comments as "as funny as a cold sweat followed by shooting pains down the left arm".[50] He also criticized the show for what he described as lazy, adolescent humour and "casual racism" in reference specifically to this episode.[51] Yahoo editor, Richard Evans, described the programme's conduct as another "Sachsgate waiting to happen".[52]
The presenters repeatedly referenced the incident in the following episodes of the series; on one occasion, after he and Hammond threatened each other with violence following a dispute over the Cool Wall, Clarkson described the situation as a "Mexican standoff". The set of the 41st series of Have I Got News for You, which depicts various recent news stories, includes a mocked-up image of Clarkson dressed like a Mexican in reference to the controversy.Aug 23, 2011 07:23:58 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:


I guess I'm too old, but I don't understand your jargon.
"... slagged Mexico" ?
"... is Troy scum"? Like pond scum?
can you explaine that to me?

Jon 



From: "tbsam...@verizon.net" To: jran...@gmail.comCc: texascavers@texascavers.comSent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:29 PMSubject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico
BBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:



http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php
MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and over the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's flagging tourismindustry.
The balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his country's violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour guide in a series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September on Public Broadcasting Service stations in the UnitedStates.
The president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas cavern, accompanied by Peter Greenberg, host of the "The Royal Tour" TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon Indian paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapasstate.
In the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly policy wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive against drug cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a few weeks, according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto Martinez.
"I have other duties that are more dangerous," Calderon jokes, 

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

[Rod Goke]

Your "explanacion" gives us a better understanding of what you meant by your remarks (which originally were as unclear to me as they were toJon), but what does any of that have to do with the original article aboutFelipe Calderon making caving videos to promotetourism? The original article cites "the world economic downturn" and "Mexico's drug violence, which has claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives" as reasons for declines in Mexicantourism, but it says nothing aboutJeremy Clarkson or bad jokes on the BBC. I certainly can see how the remarks you quoted from a BBC program could be viewed as insulting to Mexicans, but does anyone seriously believe that that has had anything to do with recent drops intourism to Mexico or withCalderon's attempts toboost Mexico's tourismindustry? Fear of increasing violence in Mexico has been a significant deterrent totourism, but the BBC comments you cited never mentioned that issue. What, then, is the relevance of BBC humor,Jeremy Clarkson, or the Torys? Is there some connection I'm missing here?Rod-Original Message-From: tbsam...@verizon.netSent: Aug 23, 2011 7:32 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)Torys are the conservative party in the UK . James Cameron, the Prime Minster, has a country house in Chipping Norton, where Clarkson lives. They socialize with the News of the World set (Murdoch's bunch).Episode 3: MexicansDuring the third episode of series sixteen, the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... and Mexican cars are just going to be lazy, feckless, flatulent, overweight oafs, leaning against a fence asleep looking like a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but can you imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican?!" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go back to sleep all day!" Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint. This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to BBC:“The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people.[47]”BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.[48] The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States.[49] Comedian Steve Coogan who has appeared on the show three times, criticised the programme for its pitiful apology, suggesting that the usual defence of "a bit of a laugh", or "harmless fun" was no longer appropriate, that the insults had gone too far, and described the comments as "as funny as a cold sweat followed by shooting pains down the left arm".[50] He also criticized the show for what he described as lazy, adolescent humour and "casual racism" in reference specifically to this episode.[51]Yahoo editor, Richard Evans, described the programme's conduct as another "Sachsgate waiting to happen".[52]The presenters repeatedly referenced the incident in the following episodes of the series; on one occasion, after he and Hammond threatened each other with violence following a dispute over the Cool Wall, Clarkson described the situation as a "Mexican standoff". The set of the 41st series of Have I Got News for You, which depicts various recent news stories, includes a mocked-up image of Clarkson dressed like a Mexican in reference to the controversy.Aug 23, 2011 07:23:58 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:I guess I'm too old, but I don't understand your jargon."... slagged Mexico" ?"... is Troy scum"? Like pond scum?can you explaine that to me?Jon From: "tbsam...@verizon.net" To: jran...@gmail.comCc: texascavers@texascavers.comSent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:29 PMSubject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in MexicoBBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.phpMEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a limb — and literally 

Re: Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

[tbsamsel]

Mexico/PRI is doing damage control. If automotive buffoons on BBC could slag their country, la gerencia wanted to fight back. At least that's how I read it. I was hoping that TOP GEARwouldhave at least mentionedthe tinted window,jacked-up, armouredSUVs of the cartels. Or look at the places you can take your car to have aqua gorilla hair installed asthe headliner of your carrucho, ese!

But I'm from S Texas and appreciate short blockChevys  fuzzy dice. And menudo, guey!

TAug 23, 2011 10:37:05 AM, rod.g...@ieee.org wrote:
Your "explanacion" gives us a better understanding of what you meant by your remarks (which originally were as unclear to me as they were toJon), but what does any of that have to do with the original article aboutFelipe Calderon making caving videos to promotetourism? The original article cites "the world economic downturn" and "Mexico's drug violence, which has claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives" as reasons for declines in Mexicantourism, but it says nothing aboutJeremy Clarkson or bad jokes on the BBC. I certainly can see how the remarks you quoted from a BBC program could be viewed as insulting to Mexicans, but does anyone seriously believe that that has had anything to do with recent drops intourism to Mexico or withCalderon's attempts toboost Mexico's tourismindustry? Fear of increasing violence in Mexico has been a significant deterrent totourism, but the BBC comments you cited never mentioned that issue. What, then, is the relevance of BBC humor,Jeremy Clarkson, or the Torys? Is there some connection I'm missing here?Rod-Original Message-From: tbsam...@verizon.netSent: Aug 23, 2011 7:32 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)Torys are the conservative party in the UK . James Cameron, the Prime Minster, has a country house in Chipping Norton, where Clarkson lives. They socialize with the News of the World set (Murdoch's bunch).Episode 3: MexicansDuring the third episode of series sixteen, the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... and Mexican cars are just going to be lazy, feckless, flatulent, overweight oafs, leaning against a fence asleep looking like a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but can you imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican?!" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go back to sleep all day!" Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint. This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to BBC:“The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people.[47]”BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.[48] The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States.[49] Comedian Steve Coogan who has appeared on the show three times, criticised the programme for its pitiful apology, suggesting that the usual defence of "a bit of a laugh", or "harmless fun" was no longer appropriate, that the insults had gone too far, and described the comments as "as funny as a cold sweat followed by shooting pains down the left arm".[50] He also criticized the show for what he described as lazy, adolescent humour and "casual racism" in reference specifically to this episode.[51]Yahoo editor, Richard Evans, described the programme's conduct as another "Sachsgate waiting to happen".[52]The presenters repeatedly referenced the incident in the following episodes of the series; on one occasion, after he and Hammond threatened each other with violence following a dispute over the Cool Wall, Clarkson described the situation as a "Mexican standoff". The set of the 41st series of Have I Got News for You, which depicts various recent news stories, includes a mocked-up image of Clarkson dressed like a Mexican in reference to the controversy.Aug 23, 2011 07:23:58 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:I guess I'm too old, but I don't understand your jargon."... slagged Mexico" ?"... is Troy scum"? Like pond scum?can you explaine that to me?Jon From: 

[ot_caving] FW: Oh, those wonderful $1.00 coins you are paying for

[Fritz Holt]

Many have probably seen this but do you think anyone has written their 
congressman to sponsor legislation to stop this waste?

Fritz

From


I would say this is unbelievable but it IS the federal government we are 
talking about.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/coins-costing-taxpayers-14076274

It is NO wonder this country is in the mess it is in.

Jackie

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

[tbsamsel]

Torys are the conservative party in the UK . James Cameron, the Prime Minster, has a country house in Chipping Norton, where Clarkson lives. They socialize with the News of the World set (Murdoch's bunch).

Episode 3: Mexicans
During the third episode of series sixteen, the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... and Mexican cars are just going to be lazy, feckless, flatulent, overweight oafs, leaning against a fence asleep looking like a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but can you imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican?!" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go back to sleep all day!" Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint. This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to BBC:



“
The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people.[47]
”
BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.[48] The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States.[49] Comedian Steve Coogan who has appeared on the show three times, criticised the programme for its pitiful apology, suggesting that the usual defence of "a bit of a laugh", or "harmless fun" was no longer appropriate, that the insults had gone too far, and described the comments as "as funny as a cold sweat followed by shooting pains down the left arm".[50] He also criticized the show for what he described as lazy, adolescent humour and "casual racism" in reference specifically to this episode.[51] Yahoo editor, Richard Evans, described the programme's conduct as another "Sachsgate waiting to happen".[52]
The presenters repeatedly referenced the incident in the following episodes of the series; on one occasion, after he and Hammond threatened each other with violence following a dispute over the Cool Wall, Clarkson described the situation as a "Mexican standoff". The set of the 41st series of Have I Got News for You, which depicts various recent news stories, includes a mocked-up image of Clarkson dressed like a Mexican in reference to the controversy.Aug 23, 2011 07:23:58 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:


I guess I'm too old, but I don't understand your jargon.
"... slagged Mexico" ?
"... is Troy scum"? Like pond scum?
can you explaine that to me?

Jon 



From: "tbsam...@verizon.net" To: jran...@gmail.comCc: texascavers@texascavers.comSent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:29 PMSubject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico
BBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:



http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php
MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and over the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's flagging tourismindustry.
The balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his country's violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour guide in a series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September on Public Broadcasting Service stations in the UnitedStates.
The president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas cavern, accompanied by Peter Greenberg, host of the "The Royal Tour" TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon Indian paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapasstate.
In the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly policy wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive against drug cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a few weeks, according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto Martinez.
"I have other duties that are more dangerous," Calderon jokes, 

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

[Rod Goke]

Your "explanacion" gives us a better understanding of what you meant by your remarks (which originally were as unclear to me as they were toJon), but what does any of that have to do with the original article aboutFelipe Calderon making caving videos to promotetourism? The original article cites "the world economic downturn" and "Mexico's drug violence, which has claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives" as reasons for declines in Mexicantourism, but it says nothing aboutJeremy Clarkson or bad jokes on the BBC. I certainly can see how the remarks you quoted from a BBC program could be viewed as insulting to Mexicans, but does anyone seriously believe that that has had anything to do with recent drops intourism to Mexico or withCalderon's attempts toboost Mexico's tourismindustry? Fear of increasing violence in Mexico has been a significant deterrent totourism, but the BBC comments you cited never mentioned that issue. What, then, is the relevance of BBC humor,Jeremy Clarkson, or the Torys? Is there some connection I'm missing here?Rod-Original Message-From: tbsam...@verizon.netSent: Aug 23, 2011 7:32 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)Torys are the conservative party in the UK . James Cameron, the Prime Minster, has a country house in Chipping Norton, where Clarkson lives. They socialize with the News of the World set (Murdoch's bunch).Episode 3: MexicansDuring the third episode of series sixteen, the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... and Mexican cars are just going to be lazy, feckless, flatulent, overweight oafs, leaning against a fence asleep looking like a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but can you imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican?!" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go back to sleep all day!" Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint. This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to BBC:“The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people.[47]”BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.[48] The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States.[49] Comedian Steve Coogan who has appeared on the show three times, criticised the programme for its pitiful apology, suggesting that the usual defence of "a bit of a laugh", or "harmless fun" was no longer appropriate, that the insults had gone too far, and described the comments as "as funny as a cold sweat followed by shooting pains down the left arm".[50] He also criticized the show for what he described as lazy, adolescent humour and "casual racism" in reference specifically to this episode.[51]Yahoo editor, Richard Evans, described the programme's conduct as another "Sachsgate waiting to happen".[52]The presenters repeatedly referenced the incident in the following episodes of the series; on one occasion, after he and Hammond threatened each other with violence following a dispute over the Cool Wall, Clarkson described the situation as a "Mexican standoff". The set of the 41st series of Have I Got News for You, which depicts various recent news stories, includes a mocked-up image of Clarkson dressed like a Mexican in reference to the controversy.Aug 23, 2011 07:23:58 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:I guess I'm too old, but I don't understand your jargon."... slagged Mexico" ?"... is Troy scum"? Like pond scum?can you explaine that to me?Jon From: "tbsam...@verizon.net" To: jran...@gmail.comCc: texascavers@texascavers.comSent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:29 PMSubject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in MexicoBBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.phpMEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a limb — and literally 

Re: Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

[tbsamsel]

Mexico/PRI is doing damage control. If automotive buffoons on BBC could slag their country, la gerencia wanted to fight back. At least that's how I read it. I was hoping that TOP GEARwouldhave at least mentionedthe tinted window,jacked-up, armouredSUVs of the cartels. Or look at the places you can take your car to have aqua gorilla hair installed asthe headliner of your carrucho, ese!

But I'm from S Texas and appreciate short blockChevys  fuzzy dice. And menudo, guey!

TAug 23, 2011 10:37:05 AM, rod.g...@ieee.org wrote:
Your "explanacion" gives us a better understanding of what you meant by your remarks (which originally were as unclear to me as they were toJon), but what does any of that have to do with the original article aboutFelipe Calderon making caving videos to promotetourism? The original article cites "the world economic downturn" and "Mexico's drug violence, which has claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives" as reasons for declines in Mexicantourism, but it says nothing aboutJeremy Clarkson or bad jokes on the BBC. I certainly can see how the remarks you quoted from a BBC program could be viewed as insulting to Mexicans, but does anyone seriously believe that that has had anything to do with recent drops intourism to Mexico or withCalderon's attempts toboost Mexico's tourismindustry? Fear of increasing violence in Mexico has been a significant deterrent totourism, but the BBC comments you cited never mentioned that issue. What, then, is the relevance of BBC humor,Jeremy Clarkson, or the Torys? Is there some connection I'm missing here?Rod-Original Message-From: tbsam...@verizon.netSent: Aug 23, 2011 7:32 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)Torys are the conservative party in the UK . James Cameron, the Prime Minster, has a country house in Chipping Norton, where Clarkson lives. They socialize with the News of the World set (Murdoch's bunch).Episode 3: MexicansDuring the third episode of series sixteen, the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... and Mexican cars are just going to be lazy, feckless, flatulent, overweight oafs, leaning against a fence asleep looking like a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but can you imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican?!" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go back to sleep all day!" Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint. This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to BBC:“The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people.[47]”BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.[48] The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States.[49] Comedian Steve Coogan who has appeared on the show three times, criticised the programme for its pitiful apology, suggesting that the usual defence of "a bit of a laugh", or "harmless fun" was no longer appropriate, that the insults had gone too far, and described the comments as "as funny as a cold sweat followed by shooting pains down the left arm".[50] He also criticized the show for what he described as lazy, adolescent humour and "casual racism" in reference specifically to this episode.[51]Yahoo editor, Richard Evans, described the programme's conduct as another "Sachsgate waiting to happen".[52]The presenters repeatedly referenced the incident in the following episodes of the series; on one occasion, after he and Hammond threatened each other with violence following a dispute over the Cool Wall, Clarkson described the situation as a "Mexican standoff". The set of the 41st series of Have I Got News for You, which depicts various recent news stories, includes a mocked-up image of Clarkson dressed like a Mexican in reference to the controversy.Aug 23, 2011 07:23:58 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:I guess I'm too old, but I don't understand your jargon."... slagged Mexico" ?"... is Troy scum"? Like pond scum?can you explaine that to me?Jon From: