texascavers Digest 31 Aug 2011 18:40:41 -0000 Issue 1375
texascavers Digest 31 Aug 2011 18:40:41 - Issue 1375 Topics (messages 18410 through 18423): a very common misperception about groundwater 18410 by: BMorgan994.aol.com 18411 by: Brian Riordan 18416 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net Re: Thanks everyone: 18412 by: Tom Florer Drought could push Barton Springs salamanders to brink of extinction : 18413 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com State budget cuts impact state parks - including Kickapoo Cavern : 18414 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com Bracken Bat Cave Opens To Public : 18415 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com New "caver vehicle" bigger than a Hummer. 18417 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net 18418 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net some new videos 18419 by: David Great! now how to we get there? 18420 by: wesley s Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. 18421 by: wesley s 18422 by: Stefan Creaser 18423 by: Ed Goff Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- Here in Florida everyone believes that every single sinkhole pond is a "spring fed lake". If you don't believe me just ask a realtor! If you mention the fact that the water is just sitting there rather than flowing the happy homeowner (whose lot size grows ever larger as the lake recedes) will explain that there must be a hole in the bottom of the lake otherwise how does the water squirt up to fill the lake basin? These are the same folks who believe that if you dig a hole in the backyard water will rush up to fill it, this despite the fact that their well is 200 feet deep. (This is the same as the creationist argument for design. If the bucket gets filled with water there has to be a faucet, right?) None of these folks believe that their ever receding lakes are in any way affected by anthropogenic climate change, drainage ditches, golf course irrigation, or that the green slime coming out of what used to be a spring has anything to do with their septic tank. It is all magic. I just heard on NPR that a researcher recently determined that no one would drink perfectly sterile reclaimed water because it had once touched a turd, but they are happy to drink the polluted aquifer because it is "natural". Therefore it is best to dispose of perfectly clean reclaimed water by dumping it into the river then pump it back out again after it has been "purified" by running past the town just upstream. And to think that they came to all these conclusions without me even having to put LSD in the public water supply! But not everybody is that dumb. I once had an in depth conversation with a very intelligent Mayan Indian in Belize who after a shot of rum and a pull on a spliff got downright philosophical. He explained that everybody knew that water simply came out of the ground, presumably due to the intercession of Oztotl, but he had a different idea. He said, "Maybe it has something to do with rain?" Sleaze--- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Sleaze, *Knee jerk response:* If you weren't so enamored in your own knowledge, I think you would learn more. *30 second later response:* I think everyone is tired of your unnecessary and constant religious jabs in your e-mails. Apart from being irrelevant, unreasoned, and over-simplified to the point of absurdity, it's annoying. Some may choose to ignore it to "keep the peace" but I don't welcome this antagonism in my personal e-mail. As such, please find another venue to vent your bitterness. If you can't abide by the rules of CaveTex, as you have proven for the nth time, and those tasked at enforcing those rules don't boot you, then I'll leave. If I'm forced with the later option, CaveTex will maintain it's status quo, and yet another young caver will be convinced this isn't the group for them. I think the average age would jump ~10 years. I trust that this is not in the interest of the group and legitimately hope you can finally overcome this personal challenge for its sake. Cheers, -B PS. Don't write me personal and condescending e-mails that you're trying to enlighten me or anyone else- you're not interested in exchanging philosophical ideas, logic or weighing concepts on their own merit. The self-righteous, blind parroting of other peoples ideas is in abundance, unfortunately. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM, wrote: > ** > Here in Florida everyone believes that every single sinkhole pond is a > "spring fed lake". If you don't believe me just ask a realtor! If you > mention the fact that the water is just sitting there rather than flowing > the happy homeowner (whose lot size grows ever larger as the lake recedes) > will explain that there must be a hole in the bottom of the lake otherwise > how does the water squi
texascavers Digest 31 Aug 2011 18:40:41 -0000 Issue 1375
texascavers Digest 31 Aug 2011 18:40:41 - Issue 1375 Topics (messages 18410 through 18423): a very common misperception about groundwater 18410 by: BMorgan994.aol.com 18411 by: Brian Riordan 18416 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net Re: Thanks everyone: 18412 by: Tom Florer Drought could push Barton Springs salamanders to brink of extinction : 18413 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com State budget cuts impact state parks - including Kickapoo Cavern : 18414 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com Bracken Bat Cave Opens To Public : 18415 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com New "caver vehicle" bigger than a Hummer. 18417 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net 18418 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net some new videos 18419 by: David Great! now how to we get there? 18420 by: wesley s Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. 18421 by: wesley s 18422 by: Stefan Creaser 18423 by: Ed Goff Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- Here in Florida everyone believes that every single sinkhole pond is a "spring fed lake". If you don't believe me just ask a realtor! If you mention the fact that the water is just sitting there rather than flowing the happy homeowner (whose lot size grows ever larger as the lake recedes) will explain that there must be a hole in the bottom of the lake otherwise how does the water squirt up to fill the lake basin? These are the same folks who believe that if you dig a hole in the backyard water will rush up to fill it, this despite the fact that their well is 200 feet deep. (This is the same as the creationist argument for design. If the bucket gets filled with water there has to be a faucet, right?) None of these folks believe that their ever receding lakes are in any way affected by anthropogenic climate change, drainage ditches, golf course irrigation, or that the green slime coming out of what used to be a spring has anything to do with their septic tank. It is all magic. I just heard on NPR that a researcher recently determined that no one would drink perfectly sterile reclaimed water because it had once touched a turd, but they are happy to drink the polluted aquifer because it is "natural". Therefore it is best to dispose of perfectly clean reclaimed water by dumping it into the river then pump it back out again after it has been "purified" by running past the town just upstream. And to think that they came to all these conclusions without me even having to put LSD in the public water supply! But not everybody is that dumb. I once had an in depth conversation with a very intelligent Mayan Indian in Belize who after a shot of rum and a pull on a spliff got downright philosophical. He explained that everybody knew that water simply came out of the ground, presumably due to the intercession of Oztotl, but he had a different idea. He said, "Maybe it has something to do with rain?" Sleaze--- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Sleaze, *Knee jerk response:* If you weren't so enamored in your own knowledge, I think you would learn more. *30 second later response:* I think everyone is tired of your unnecessary and constant religious jabs in your e-mails. Apart from being irrelevant, unreasoned, and over-simplified to the point of absurdity, it's annoying. Some may choose to ignore it to "keep the peace" but I don't welcome this antagonism in my personal e-mail. As such, please find another venue to vent your bitterness. If you can't abide by the rules of CaveTex, as you have proven for the nth time, and those tasked at enforcing those rules don't boot you, then I'll leave. If I'm forced with the later option, CaveTex will maintain it's status quo, and yet another young caver will be convinced this isn't the group for them. I think the average age would jump ~10 years. I trust that this is not in the interest of the group and legitimately hope you can finally overcome this personal challenge for its sake. Cheers, -B PS. Don't write me personal and condescending e-mails that you're trying to enlighten me or anyone else- you're not interested in exchanging philosophical ideas, logic or weighing concepts on their own merit. The self-righteous, blind parroting of other peoples ideas is in abundance, unfortunately. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM, wrote: > ** > Here in Florida everyone believes that every single sinkhole pond is a > "spring fed lake". If you don't believe me just ask a realtor! If you > mention the fact that the water is just sitting there rather than flowing > the happy homeowner (whose lot size grows ever larger as the lake recedes) > will explain that there must be a hole in the bottom of the lake otherwise > how does the water squi
texascavers Digest 31 Aug 2011 18:40:41 -0000 Issue 1375
texascavers Digest 31 Aug 2011 18:40:41 - Issue 1375 Topics (messages 18410 through 18423): a very common misperception about groundwater 18410 by: BMorgan994.aol.com 18411 by: Brian Riordan 18416 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net Re: Thanks everyone: 18412 by: Tom Florer Drought could push Barton Springs salamanders to brink of extinction : 18413 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com State budget cuts impact state parks - including Kickapoo Cavern : 18414 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com Bracken Bat Cave Opens To Public : 18415 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com New "caver vehicle" bigger than a Hummer. 18417 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net 18418 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net some new videos 18419 by: David Great! now how to we get there? 18420 by: wesley s Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. 18421 by: wesley s 18422 by: Stefan Creaser 18423 by: Ed Goff Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- Here in Florida everyone believes that every single sinkhole pond is a "spring fed lake". If you don't believe me just ask a realtor! If you mention the fact that the water is just sitting there rather than flowing the happy homeowner (whose lot size grows ever larger as the lake recedes) will explain that there must be a hole in the bottom of the lake otherwise how does the water squirt up to fill the lake basin? These are the same folks who believe that if you dig a hole in the backyard water will rush up to fill it, this despite the fact that their well is 200 feet deep. (This is the same as the creationist argument for design. If the bucket gets filled with water there has to be a faucet, right?) None of these folks believe that their ever receding lakes are in any way affected by anthropogenic climate change, drainage ditches, golf course irrigation, or that the green slime coming out of what used to be a spring has anything to do with their septic tank. It is all magic. I just heard on NPR that a researcher recently determined that no one would drink perfectly sterile reclaimed water because it had once touched a turd, but they are happy to drink the polluted aquifer because it is "natural". Therefore it is best to dispose of perfectly clean reclaimed water by dumping it into the river then pump it back out again after it has been "purified" by running past the town just upstream. And to think that they came to all these conclusions without me even having to put LSD in the public water supply! But not everybody is that dumb. I once had an in depth conversation with a very intelligent Mayan Indian in Belize who after a shot of rum and a pull on a spliff got downright philosophical. He explained that everybody knew that water simply came out of the ground, presumably due to the intercession of Oztotl, but he had a different idea. He said, "Maybe it has something to do with rain?" Sleaze--- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Sleaze, *Knee jerk response:* If you weren't so enamored in your own knowledge, I think you would learn more. *30 second later response:* I think everyone is tired of your unnecessary and constant religious jabs in your e-mails. Apart from being irrelevant, unreasoned, and over-simplified to the point of absurdity, it's annoying. Some may choose to ignore it to "keep the peace" but I don't welcome this antagonism in my personal e-mail. As such, please find another venue to vent your bitterness. If you can't abide by the rules of CaveTex, as you have proven for the nth time, and those tasked at enforcing those rules don't boot you, then I'll leave. If I'm forced with the later option, CaveTex will maintain it's status quo, and yet another young caver will be convinced this isn't the group for them. I think the average age would jump ~10 years. I trust that this is not in the interest of the group and legitimately hope you can finally overcome this personal challenge for its sake. Cheers, -B PS. Don't write me personal and condescending e-mails that you're trying to enlighten me or anyone else- you're not interested in exchanging philosophical ideas, logic or weighing concepts on their own merit. The self-righteous, blind parroting of other peoples ideas is in abundance, unfortunately. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM, wrote: > ** > Here in Florida everyone believes that every single sinkhole pond is a > "spring fed lake". If you don't believe me just ask a realtor! If you > mention the fact that the water is just sitting there rather than flowing > the happy homeowner (whose lot size grows ever larger as the lake recedes) > will explain that there must be a hole in the bottom of the lake otherwise > how does the water squi
Re: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
Rapellent things, no doubt. Ed On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Stefan Creaser wrote: > “Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and > repelling equipment.” > > ** ** > > What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!!** > ** > > ** ** > > --Stefan > > ** ** > > *From:* wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM > *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the > caving stories today. > > ** ** > > > http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html > > > -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the > information in any medium. Thank you. >
Re: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
Rapellent things, no doubt. Ed On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Stefan Creaser wrote: > “Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and > repelling equipment.” > > ** ** > > What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!!** > ** > > ** ** > > --Stefan > > ** ** > > *From:* wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM > *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the > caving stories today. > > ** ** > > > http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html > > > -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the > information in any medium. Thank you. >
Re: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
Rapellent things, no doubt. Ed On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Stefan Creaser wrote: > “Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and > repelling equipment.” > > ** ** > > What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!!** > ** > > ** ** > > --Stefan > > ** ** > > *From:* wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM > *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the > caving stories today. > > ** ** > > > http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html > > > -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the > information in any medium. Thank you. >
RE: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
"Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and repelling equipment." What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!! --Stefan From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
"Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and repelling equipment." What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!! --Stefan From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
"Some of the caves are accessible by foot. Others require ropes and repelling equipment." What was she trying to repel, what kind of things lurk in those caves?!! --Stefan From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:27 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today. http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
[Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html
[Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html
[Texascavers] Man discovery news is just cranking out the caving stories today.
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/exploring-antarcticas-ice-caves-110830.html
[Texascavers] Great! now how to we get there?
"These features are often eyed as potential candidates for future manned missions to Mars and the moon as they provide access to naturally-occurring sub-surface caves" http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-mars-crater-skylight-110830.html Wes~
[Texascavers] Great! now how to we get there?
"These features are often eyed as potential candidates for future manned missions to Mars and the moon as they provide access to naturally-occurring sub-surface caves" http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-mars-crater-skylight-110830.html Wes~
[Texascavers] Great! now how to we get there?
"These features are often eyed as potential candidates for future manned missions to Mars and the moon as they provide access to naturally-occurring sub-surface caves" http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-mars-crater-skylight-110830.html Wes~
[Texascavers] some new videos
Here are some new videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKNEJ-x3Dq8 In the video below, the eco-tour company has rigged a subterreanen zip-line into the twilight zone.Skip to 1:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWnRYqyB2x0&feature=related Note the young eco-tourist get to rappel into a free-hanging 60 foot pit, and get to swim through a fun cave. Skip to 1:26 on the one below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kebnw3Bx-F8&feature=related I think somebody may have already mentioned the one below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Euarj9BoQ Imagine a U.S. president doing something like that ? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] some new videos
Here are some new videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKNEJ-x3Dq8 In the video below, the eco-tour company has rigged a subterreanen zip-line into the twilight zone.Skip to 1:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWnRYqyB2x0&feature=related Note the young eco-tourist get to rappel into a free-hanging 60 foot pit, and get to swim through a fun cave. Skip to 1:26 on the one below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kebnw3Bx-F8&feature=related I think somebody may have already mentioned the one below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Euarj9BoQ Imagine a U.S. president doing something like that ? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] some new videos
Here are some new videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKNEJ-x3Dq8 In the video below, the eco-tour company has rigged a subterreanen zip-line into the twilight zone.Skip to 1:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWnRYqyB2x0&feature=related Note the young eco-tourist get to rappel into a free-hanging 60 foot pit, and get to swim through a fun cave. Skip to 1:26 on the one below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kebnw3Bx-F8&feature=related I think somebody may have already mentioned the one below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Euarj9BoQ Imagine a U.S. president doing something like that ? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
