RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Good move. Too bad it wasn't permanent. From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails To: power_lou...@hotmail.com He does have a blog, which I encouraged him to use instead of posting random things to the list server, that was a few years ago during the last big blow up with him. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Charles, I recommended to Sheryl that if she has any sway with David at all that she suggest to him that he set up his own mailing list and not use texascavers as a forum for his opinions and other correspondence. It should be obvious to him by now that most of the list has no interest in what he has to say. He is probably the most obtuse person I've ever had contact with. The utter failure of his two springtime get togethers where apparently nobody got together should have told him something. I think if he has his own list (which I think will probably be small), he can control who his information goes to and might lower the heat surrounding this and other issues. I also think he has a blog Louise From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:42:47 -0500 To: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com wrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
[Texascavers] e-mail address for Chris Thibodeux
Does someone have a valid e-mail address for Chris? Sam
[Texascavers] e-mail address for Chris T
I got it. Thanks, .. Sam
[SWR] Bill Mason?
I need a new address for Bill Mason. PO Box closed unable to forward, so his SW Cavers bounced. Please reply off list. Carol ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
texascavers Digest 22 Aug 2013 18:58:30 -0000 Issue 1828
texascavers Digest 22 Aug 2013 18:58:30 - Issue 1828 Topics (messages 22481 through 22490): An olive branch ? 22481 by: David Re: Inappropriate emails 22482 by: Charles Goldsmith 22484 by: jerryatkin.aol.com Mallory 22483 by: Jill Orr Mallory update, 8/21/13 22485 by: Emily McGowan 22486 by: Tim Stich Sunday Swims 22487 by: pstrickland1.austin.rr.com e-mail address for Chris Thibodeux 22488 by: Sam Young e-mail address for Chris T 22489 by: Sam Young Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! 22490 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- It seems like a good time to extend an olive branch, and put the past behind me and those that have deep negative opinions of me. I really just want to go in a fun cave and have some good times. I do hope to make a Kiwi Dig in November.That is the only caving related thing on my calendar for 2013. David Locklear ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.comwrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I also agree with the sentiments below. This is not a time for mean-spirited behavior on behalf of Mallory - rather a time to regroup and be thankful that she is progressing well. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: Sheryl, I have to agree, I very much enjoy the posts that David makes and I have also found him to be one of the most caring and considerate individuals I know. He is without ego and is always trying to do the right thing and will help anyone who asks. If you don’t like what someone posts, use the delete key or send them a private message and ask them to modify their behavior
[SWR] A good reason to not live in Louisiana
A good reason to not live in Louisiana (or Florida) Pretty impressive http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] A good reason to not live in Louisiana
On 8/22/2013 2:27 PM, Stephen Fleming wrote: A good reason to not live in Louisiana (or Florida) Pretty impressive http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargill operated the Jefferson Island salt mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mine under the lake, while a Texaco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texaco oil rig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_platform drilled down from the surface of the lake searching for petroleum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum. Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine, starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole. It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole, expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool sucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges, many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m^2 ) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canal that usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29 was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canal and Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29. The water downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geyser up through the mineshafts.^[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.^[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken barges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barge popped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the lake's surface. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
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RE: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
Saw this on ABC news this morning. Apparently they've been watching this for several years. They said it's collapsing salt dome. Louise From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
Re: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
Salt dome: That's what I assumed it must be since it's Louisiana. Probably initiated by oil extraction and poorly sealed abandoned wells. Water could then be dissolving the salt and creating unsupported voids. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com To: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com; texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! Saw this on ABC news this morning. Apparently they've been watching this for several years. They said it's collapsing salt dome. Louise From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
Re: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
From the story it was a water injection well into the salt dome for the purpose of making and extracting brine. The void left by the removed salt is what is collapsing. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM, caverarch cavera...@aol.com wrote: Salt dome: That's what I assumed it must be since it's Louisiana. Probably initiated by oil extraction and poorly sealed abandoned wells. Water could then be dissolving the salt and creating unsupported voids. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com To: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com; texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! Saw this on ABC news this morning. Apparently they've been watching this for several years. They said it's collapsing salt dome. Louise -- From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
Re: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
There was an article on NPR a while back about the problem. http://www.npr.org/2013/03/20/174853576/massive-sinkhole-in-louisiana-baffles-officials On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM, caverarch cavera...@aol.com wrote: Salt dome: That's what I assumed it must be since it's Louisiana. Probably initiated by oil extraction and poorly sealed abandoned wells. Water could then be dissolving the salt and creating unsupported voids. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com To: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com; texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! Saw this on ABC news this morning. Apparently they've been watching this for several years. They said it's collapsing salt dome. Louise -- From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
[Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980
The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargill operated the Jefferson Island salt mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mine under the lake, while a Texaco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texaco oil rig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_platform drilled down from the surface of the lake searching for petroleum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum. Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine, starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole. It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole, expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool sucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges, many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m^2 ) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canal that usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29 was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canal and Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29. The water downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geyser up through the mineshafts.^[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.^[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken barges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barge popped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the lake's surface.
Re: [Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980
Yeah, Logan. I've seen that video many times now. It's pretty amazing, isn't it? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargilloperated the Jefferson Island salt mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mine under the lake, while a Texaco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texaco oil righttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_platformdrilled down from the surface of the lake searching for petroleum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum. Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine, starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole. It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole, expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpoolhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpoolsucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges, many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m2) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canalthat usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29 was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canaland Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29. The water downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geyserup through the mineshafts. [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken bargeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bargepopped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the lake's surface.
Re: [Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980
Thank for sharing that amazing story, Logan! Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:32 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980 The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to humanerror--occured at Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incrediblefilm/video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company operated the Jefferson Island salt mine under the lake, while a Texaco oil rig drilled down from the surface of the lake searching for petroleum. Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine, starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole. It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstrom. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole, expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpool sucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges, many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m2) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canal that usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canal and Vermilion Bay. The water downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysers up through the mineshafts.[4] There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.[4] Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken barges popped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the lake's surface.
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RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Good move. Too bad it wasn't permanent. From: wo...@justfamily.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails To: power_lou...@hotmail.com He does have a blog, which I encouraged him to use instead of posting random things to the list server, that was a few years ago during the last big blow up with him. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Charles, I recommended to Sheryl that if she has any sway with David at all that she suggest to him that he set up his own mailing list and not use texascavers as a forum for his opinions and other correspondence. It should be obvious to him by now that most of the list has no interest in what he has to say. He is probably the most obtuse person I've ever had contact with. The utter failure of his two springtime get togethers where apparently nobody got together should have told him something. I think if he has his own list (which I think will probably be small), he can control who his information goes to and might lower the heat surrounding this and other issues. I also think he has a blog Louise From: wo...@justfamily.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:42:47 -0500 To: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com wrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
[Texascavers] e-mail address for Chris Thibodeux
Does someone have a valid e-mail address for Chris? Sam
[Texascavers] e-mail address for Chris T
I got it. Thanks, .. Sam
[SWR] Bill Mason?
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texascavers Digest 22 Aug 2013 18:58:30 -0000 Issue 1828
texascavers Digest 22 Aug 2013 18:58:30 - Issue 1828 Topics (messages 22481 through 22490): An olive branch ? 22481 by: David Re: Inappropriate emails 22482 by: Charles Goldsmith 22484 by: jerryatkin.aol.com Mallory 22483 by: Jill Orr Mallory update, 8/21/13 22485 by: Emily McGowan 22486 by: Tim Stich Sunday Swims 22487 by: pstrickland1.austin.rr.com e-mail address for Chris Thibodeux 22488 by: Sam Young e-mail address for Chris T 22489 by: Sam Young Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! 22490 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- It seems like a good time to extend an olive branch, and put the past behind me and those that have deep negative opinions of me. I really just want to go in a fun cave and have some good times. I do hope to make a Kiwi Dig in November.That is the only caving related thing on my calendar for 2013. David Locklear ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.comwrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I also agree with the sentiments below. This is not a time for mean-spirited behavior on behalf of Mallory - rather a time to regroup and be thankful that she is progressing well. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: Sheryl, I have to agree, I very much enjoy the posts that David makes and I have also found him to be one of the most caring and considerate individuals I know. He is without ego and is always trying to do the right thing and will help anyone who asks. If you don’t like what someone posts, use the delete key or send them a private message and ask them to modify their behavior
[SWR] A good reason to not live in Louisiana
A good reason to not live in Louisiana (or Florida) Pretty impressive http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] A good reason to not live in Louisiana
On 8/22/2013 2:27 PM, Stephen Fleming wrote: A good reason to not live in Louisiana (or Florida) Pretty impressive http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargill operated the Jefferson Island salt mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mine under the lake, while a Texaco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texaco oil rig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_platform drilled down from the surface of the lake searching for petroleum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum. Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine, starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole. It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole, expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool sucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges, many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m^2 ) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canal that usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29 was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canal and Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29. The water downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geyser up through the mineshafts.^[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.^[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken barges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barge popped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the lake's surface. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
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RE: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
Saw this on ABC news this morning. Apparently they've been watching this for several years. They said it's collapsing salt dome. Louise From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
Re: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
Salt dome: That's what I assumed it must be since it's Louisiana. Probably initiated by oil extraction and poorly sealed abandoned wells. Water could then be dissolving the salt and creating unsupported voids. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com To: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com; texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! Saw this on ABC news this morning. Apparently they've been watching this for several years. They said it's collapsing salt dome. Louise From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
Re: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
From the story it was a water injection well into the salt dome for the purpose of making and extracting brine. The void left by the removed salt is what is collapsing. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM, caverarch cavera...@aol.com wrote: Salt dome: That's what I assumed it must be since it's Louisiana. Probably initiated by oil extraction and poorly sealed abandoned wells. Water could then be dissolving the salt and creating unsupported voids. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com To: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com; texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! Saw this on ABC news this morning. Apparently they've been watching this for several years. They said it's collapsing salt dome. Louise -- From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
Re: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana!
There was an article on NPR a while back about the problem. http://www.npr.org/2013/03/20/174853576/massive-sinkhole-in-louisiana-baffles-officials On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM, caverarch cavera...@aol.com wrote: Salt dome: That's what I assumed it must be since it's Louisiana. Probably initiated by oil extraction and poorly sealed abandoned wells. Water could then be dissolving the salt and creating unsupported voids. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com To: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com; texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! Saw this on ABC news this morning. Apparently they've been watching this for several years. They said it's collapsing salt dome. Louise -- From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:23 -0700 Subject: [Texascavers] Holy crap! Sinkhole swallowing trees in Louisiana! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
[Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980
The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargill operated the Jefferson Island salt mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mine under the lake, while a Texaco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texaco oil rig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_platform drilled down from the surface of the lake searching for petroleum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum. Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine, starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole. It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole, expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool sucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges, many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m^2 ) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canal that usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29 was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canal and Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29. The water downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geyser up through the mineshafts.^[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.^[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken barges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barge popped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the lake's surface.
Re: [Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980
Yeah, Logan. I've seen that video many times now. It's pretty amazing, isn't it? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargilloperated the Jefferson Island salt mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_mine under the lake, while a Texaco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texaco oil righttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_platformdrilled down from the surface of the lake searching for petroleum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum. Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine, starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole. It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole, expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpoolhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpoolsucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges, many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m2) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canalthat usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29 was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcambre_Canaland Vermilion Bay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_Bay_%28Louisiana%29. The water downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geyserup through the mineshafts. [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4 There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur#cite_note-h-4Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken bargeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bargepopped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the lake's surface.
Re: [Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980
Thank for sharing that amazing story, Logan! Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:32 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980 The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to humanerror--occured at Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incrediblefilm/video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI (snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company operated the Jefferson Island salt mine under the lake, while a Texaco oil rig drilled down from the surface of the lake searching for petroleum. Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine, starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole. It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstrom. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole, expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpool sucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges, many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m2) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canal that usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canal and Vermilion Bay. The water downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysers up through the mineshafts.[4] There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.[4] Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken barges popped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the lake's surface.
[Texascavers] New Invasvive Species - Raspberry Ants / aka Tawny Ants
At last weekend's TCMA meeting, Matt Turner gave a very interesting report about the rapid spread of the Tawny Ant, formerly known as the Raspberry Ant, after the man who identified them. Had Matt not previously asked me to like the Tawny Ant FB page, I would not have known what he was talking about and why cavers should be concerned. He has been monitoring them inside and outside of Whirlpool Cave (Austin) as well as other caves in the area for a long time, and they are starting to have serious effects on the caves and the crickets. The current solution is an evil pesticide that will only cause more problems for caves. While watching the 10:00 pm Houston ABC local news tonight, they did a story about these invasive ants. It's worth the few minutes the story lasts to watch and learn more: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/consumerid=9215910 For even more info, contact Matt Turner. Sorry, I don't have his email address. julia germany - Houston home owner who will vigilantly be on the look out for these invasive ants in my potted plants, and around my yard!
Re: [Texascavers] New Invasvive Species - Raspberry Ants / aka Tawny Ants
I've just been trying to sort out the name. Apparently Rasberry (not RasPberry) comes from the name of the exterminator who discovered them. I'm not clear if Crazy is part of the preferred common name or not. Crazy would seem to refer to their erratic behavior. Why the change to Tawny Crazy? I've no idea. Here's another link helpful link: http://urbanentomology.tamu.edu/ants/rasberry.html On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote: At last weekend's TCMA meeting, Matt Turner gave a very interesting report about the rapid spread of the Tawny Ant, formerly known as the Raspberry Ant, after the man who identified them. Had Matt not previously asked me to like the Tawny Ant FB page, I would not have known what he was talking about and why cavers should be concerned. He has been monitoring them inside and outside of Whirlpool Cave (Austin) as well as other caves in the area for a long time, and they are starting to have serious effects on the caves and the crickets. The current solution is an evil pesticide that will only cause more problems for caves. While watching the 10:00 pm Houston ABC local news tonight, they did a story about these invasive ants. It's worth the few minutes the story lasts to watch and learn more: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/consumerid=9215910 For even more info, contact Matt Turner. Sorry, I don't have his email address. julia germany - Houston home owner who will vigilantly be on the look out for these invasive ants in my potted plants, and around my yard!
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