[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project

[Marvin Miller via Texascavers]

Cavers,

The Government Canyon Karst Project will be starting up again on the first
weekend in September, the 5th and 6th. Project dates will be the first
weekend of every month unless otherwise notified. We will meet at 9:00 both
mornings in the parking lot of the Volunteer/Research Station. Enter at the
main park gate and then take the first right. Open and close the gate
behind you and drive approximately 1 mile to the VRS. The parking lot is on
the right. Camping is available in the volunteer campground. Contact me to
set that up.

The website for the project is here:
http://www.cavetexas.org/projects/gcsna.html
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Re: [Texascavers] Mundus Subterraneus

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

except for the ones that are carved out by daylight

> A short summary of cave hydrology: Springs are caused when water that has 
> drained down to the underground fires is turned to steam, which then rises up 
> and condenses in hollows inside mountains and drains out as spring water.

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[Texascavers] Mundus Subterraneus

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Everything you need to know about the underworld including troglobitic  
giants can be found here:
 
http://publicdomainreview.org/2012/11/01/athanasius-underground/
 
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[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] The value of attendance

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

Some of you maybe aware that the members of the SouthWest Region of the NSS are 
discussing constitutional and by-law changes that include electronic voting 
(which has surprisingly been a fairly controversial topic). I forward this 
message as the attachment “Ways to Kill any Organization” are just spot-on. 
Read the attachment and think about how this applies to you, your grotto, the 
“T” groups (Texas Speleological Association, Texas Cave Management Association, 
Texas Speleological Survey) and the NSS.

Diana

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From: Steve Peerman mailto:gypca...@comcast.net>>
Subject: [SWR] The value of attendance
Date: August 18, 2015 at 10:31:39 AM CDT
To: Mailing List for SWR mailto:s...@caver.net>>

All,
A long time ago, I collected this list of things entitled "Ways to Kill 
any Organization", attached.  I have forgotten the source.  In fact, I believe 
Carol published it in the SW Cavers at some point.  Some of the discussion 
recently has been around those who "have the leisure time" to attend regionals 
and possibly misrepresent the majority who don't.We celebrate freedom in 
the United States, and one of those freedoms is the freedom to be left alone, 
or to put it another way, the freedom not to engage, or the freedom to allow 
others to make decisions for us.
Attendance at regional meetings is NOT mandatory, or even obligatory, 
but I would say, if you want to have a voice, if you want to make a change, 
then this is the venue to make it happen.  Regional meetings are social events 
to be sure, but they are more than that.  In many cases a great deal is 
accomplished to the benefit of caves and the caving community.  In my time of 
involvement with the SWR, I can recall restorations and cleanups at many caves, 
gate building and gate improvements (to make bat friendly), ridge walking, 
surveying, rescue practice, historical documentation and discoveries.  The 
caves and cavers of the SWR have surely benefitted from these varied activities.
I am proud of being a member of the Mesilla Valley Grotto, the 
Southwestern Region, and of the National Speleological Society.  I'm one of 
those folks who plans my schedule around SWR regional events.  I realize that 
not everyone wants to or can be that involved, and I do not wish to diminish 
the interest and dedication of those who for whatever reason are not able to 
attend as regularly as I do.
The current issue before the region is electronic voting.  I certainly 
think that electronic voting can provide a mechanism for allowing the 
membership to render a decision on issues that cannot wait for a meeting, and 
could allow those who cannot attend meetings to have a voice in regional 
matters.  This is a good thing.
I am concerned, however, that the process be defined with enough detail 
so that everyone understands how it would work in the situations it is 
applicable.  At present, I don't have that understanding, so I am reluctant to 
support it.  Those who are pushing the idea have not spelled out the process in 
that detail, at least to me.
I would hope, that if and when electronic voting becomes a process that 
is used with the SWR, that cavers continue to support the region by attending 
regional events, helping with the important projects that are promoted by the 
various grottos and continuing to make the SWR an active and viable 
organization within the NSS.


Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.


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Re: [Texascavers] article telling landowners to keep cavers away

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Anybody thought to ask Bill Elliot about it? 

DirtDoc 
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Re: [Texascavers] article telling landowners to keep cavers away

[Fritz Holt via Texascavers]

Many must have read the article or heard of the perils as it seems to be a 
major reason land owners don't want cavers in their caves, especially water 
caves. I have never seen the article. 
Fritz Holt
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> On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Ben Hutchins via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> For years I've heard about a decades old article (Texas Cattle Magazine?) 
> warning landowners to keep James Reddell and Bill Elliott off of their 
> property because of the risk of finding endangered karst invertebrates.  Does 
> anyone have the specific citation or, better yet, a copy of the article? 
> Please email me off list with any info. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben Hutchins (hutch...@yahoo.com)
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Re: [Texascavers] article telling landowners to keep cavers away

[Crash Kennedy via Texascavers]

I would love to see this article, if it even exists.  Specifically, I would
love to see it reprinted in *The TEXAS CAVER*.

-- Jim

>
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Ben Hutchins via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> For years I've heard about a decades old article (Texas Cattle Magazine?)
> warning landowners to keep James Reddell and Bill Elliott off of their
> property because of the risk of finding endangered karst invertebrates.
> Does anyone have the specific citation or, better yet, a copy of the
> article? Please email me off list with any info.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben Hutchins (hutch...@yahoo.com)
>
>
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