[Texascavers] Cave underneath Stagecoach Inn :
Cave underneath Stagecoach Inn Posted: Monday, July 30, 200712:00 am Clay Coppedge, TDT SALADO - Of the more than 3,000 caves dotting the subterranean landscape ofTexas are a few in which no one believes gold or other ill-gotten loot ishidden somewhere within. The cave underneath the Stagecoach Inn in Salado isnot one of those caves. Ever since Frank and Jesse James and Sam Bass firstmade appearances around here in the middle of the 19th century, rumors haveabounded, as rumors do, that there is gold in them thar caves. If even afraction of the rumors are true, the James brothers and Bass hid more loot thanthey ever could have possibly stolen. So many legends and so much folklore havecome out of the cave underneath the Stagecoach Inn that some people areskeptical about the existence of the cave at all, sort of like the smidgen ofskepticism that surrounds the tunnels that run underneath the city of Temple.The cave is there all right and it’s been there a long time. It’s not the caveit used to be - parts of it have been walled in at least once over the yearsand it is closed to the public due to safety concerns - but it’s typical ofhundreds of Central Texas caves in the Edwards Aquifer. The cave is a littlewaterlogged right now with maybe eight feet of standing water. That’s not a badthing because that is how aquifers get recharged, and aquifers are responsible,directly or indirectly, for most of the water that we use. John Anderson, CEOof the Stagecoach Inn and the Mill Creek golf course, showed the cave to aninquisitive reporter and photographer last week. From the top of the old,slippery stone stairs that lead down into the cave, he shined a flashlight onthe floor of the underground chamber. “Now you can see there’s definitely waterdown there,” he said. “I was showing this one time and stepped in water up tomy knees. Twice. The water is so clear and so still that you usually can’t seeit.” The last dozen or so steps leading to the cave floor are covered with thatclear spring water. In caves like these, surface runoff makes its way throughfractures, sinkholes and sinking streams within the recharge zone. Because ofthat the Edwards Aquifer is considered an unconfined aquifer because waterenters and exits freely. This year, more water is entering these caves than isleaving. A lot more. “Usually, if you’re standing on the floor, you have nosense of the roof of the cave directly above your head,” Anderson said. “Lookat it now. It looks like there’s not even room to walk around down there.” Thecave has a spring, one of a series of springs along Salado Creek and itstributaries that are part of an underground stream. One of the favoritepastimes of yore was dropping an apple in the cave’s spring and running to whatthey called Big Boiling Spring near where the Serena statue is now and watchingthe apple pop up at the top of that spring. Generations of children fortunateenough to enjoy a mostly unstructured childhood, including former Lady BirdJohnson press secretary Liz Carpenter, have talked and written about using thecave as a playground. Johnnie Gidley, 58, remembers taking FFA (Future Farmersof America) field trips to the cave in the early to mid-60s. “It went a lotfarther back in those days,” he said. “You could only go so far because thewater pooled up farther in.” Other stories persist, too. Gunpowder for theConfederate Army was supposedly buried there during the Civil War. A hundredyears later the cave is said to have been designated as a bomb shelter in caseof a Russian nuclear attack. The cave would have to be a lot bigger than it isnow to fulfill either of those purposes. Which leads to an interestingquestion: How big was the cave before it was walled in? The answer depends onwhom you ask. Anderson said a former maintenance director told him that heremembers a portion of the cave being filled in with dirt in the late 1970s.That jibes with Gidley’s recollection of exploring a much bigger cave there inthe mid-60s. But Anderson said 92-year-old Wilbur Foster, a maintenancedirector at the Stagecoach for many years, remembers part of the cave beingfilled in some time in the late 1950s. Both accounts could be right. Gidley’srecollections reflect other memories from the same era. And Foster probablyknows more about the Stagecoach Inn than anybody else alive because he spent somany decades intimately acquainted with its inner and outer workings. Withoutknowing for sure, there is no reason to dispute any of those accounts. Onething all accounts, both oral and written, share in common is that no one everfound any gold in the cave. If the gold was ever there in the first place,which is doubtful, somebody found it and never told anybody, or it washed awayin one of the periodic floods that occur on Salado Creek every few years. Eventhe hope of finding buried gold in the cave has all but disappeared now, butthe legends, stories and genuine memories of
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab
Do y'all need all of it? I need about 480sf. Andy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:24 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I contacted him off list first but still have not heard back Galen Falgout On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Michael Harris via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I contacted Bill off list like he requested but I think Galan also beat me to it. Mike Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 08/28/2015 21:52 (GMT-06:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab Jim I called it first Galen Falgout On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Me, please! At least some of it. I'm siding the garage. I can get it tomorrow. Jim Mobile email from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It is in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for privacy fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged or reused. Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. Contact me off list (address below). -- Mixon True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the world. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab
I contacted him off list first but still have not heard back Galen Falgout On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Michael Harris via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I contacted Bill off list like he requested but I think Galan also beat me to it. Mike Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 08/28/2015 21:52 (GMT-06:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab Jim I called it first Galen Falgout On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Me, please! At least some of it. I'm siding the garage. I can get it tomorrow. Jim Mobile email from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It is in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for privacy fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged or reused. Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. Contact me off list (address below). -- Mixon True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the world. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grabs
sounds like we should have auctioned this off at the next TCMA auction ;) On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It is in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for privacy fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged or reused. Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. Contact me off list (address below). -- Mixon True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the world. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Andy I could use your 6’ leftovers. Nancy On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I could use 15-20 sheets and will have some 6ft chunks leftover. I can help load a trailer. Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grabs
FREE!! That's why everyone is interested Galen Falgout On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: sounds like we should have auctioned this off at the next TCMA auction ;) On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It is in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for privacy fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged or reused. Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. Contact me off list (address below). -- Mixon True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the world. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab
I would be happy with 10 sheets. Mike Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 08/29/2015 08:52 (GMT-06:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab Do y'all need all of it? I need about 480sf. Andy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:24 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I contacted him off list first but still have not heard back Galen Falgout On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Michael Harris via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I contacted Bill off list like he requested but I think Galan also beat me to it. Mike Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 08/28/2015 21:52 (GMT-06:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.commailto:cavercr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab Jim I called it first Galen Falgout On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Me, please! At least some of it. I'm siding the garage. I can get it tomorrow. Jim Mobile email from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It is in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for privacy fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged or reused. Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. Contact me off list (address below). -- Mixon True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the world. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edumailto:bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.orgmailto:a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.orgmailto:sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab
I could use 15-20 sheets and will have some 6ft chunks leftover. I can help load a trailer. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:46 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I think there may be enough to for all of our needs. I need 14 sheets, Crash needs like 12, mike wants 10, and Andy wants 450 square feet however much that is and ill take the rest to finish out my privacy fence Galen Falgout ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grabs
Galen --DO you need all of it? Jim (I assume Kennedy) wants some too. Maybe the two of you can get together and come get it if you don't need all of it. -- Bill True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the world. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab
I think there may be enough to for all of our needs. I need 14 sheets, Crash needs like 12, mike wants 10, and Andy wants 450 square feet however much that is and ill take the rest to finish out my privacy fence Galen Falgout On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Michael Harris via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I would be happy with 10 sheets. Mike Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 08/29/2015 08:52 (GMT-06:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab Do y'all need all of it? I need about 480sf. Andy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:24 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I contacted him off list first but still have not heard back Galen Falgout On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Michael Harris via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I contacted Bill off list like he requested but I think Galan also beat me to it. Mike Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 08/28/2015 21:52 (GMT-06:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab Jim I called it first Galen Falgout On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Me, please! At least some of it. I'm siding the garage. I can get it tomorrow. Jim Mobile email from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It is in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for privacy fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged or reused. Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. Contact me off list (address below). -- Mixon True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the world. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cave underneath Stagecoach Inn :
nice article. Not sensationalized and made a clear connection between caves and aquifer . a blow for intelligence Nancy Weaver ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab
Look at all you guys playing so nicely together. Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might find you get what you need Rolling Stones On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I could use 15-20 sheets and will have some 6ft chunks leftover. I can help load a trailer. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:46 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I think there may be enough to for all of our needs. I need 14 sheets, Crash needs like 12, mike wants 10, and Andy wants 450 square feet however much that is and ill take the rest to finish out my privacy fence Galen Falgout ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
