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Re: [Texascavers] Server problems :

2016-06-12 Thread Katherine Arens via Texascavers

TSS seems to be fine
k
On Jun 12, 2016, at 15:03, Jerry via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

There seems to be an epidemic of server-related problems that are effecting 
several cave-related sites. Folks are having problems with the TCMA, TSS, TSA, 
and at least one out-of-state site. Please have your web IT folks have a look 
at it.

Thanks !

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Re: [Texascavers] Server problems :

2016-06-12 Thread George Veni via Texascavers

Bill,

Thanks. I just logged on and hadn't see that the NCKRI website was down. It 
downs like a problem beyond our website itself since others are affected too, 
but I'll notify our IT people to look into it.

George


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Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
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And NCKRI's web site seems to be down today, too. (That's the National Cave and 
Karst Research Institute in Carlsbad.) -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Server problems :

2016-06-12 Thread Pete Lindsley via Texascavers

Thanks Joe. These guys are usually pretty prompt on past requests. Another cave 
site on the same server is cavebooks.com.

 - Pete

On Jun 12, 2016, at 4:09 PM, via Texascavers wrote:

The hosting company just responded to me for TCMA to say they are aware of the 
outage and are working to resolve it. Seems to be a wide outage for them. 

Joe
jran...@gmail.com

On Jun 12, 2016, at 5:06 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:

> Last I checked several of us used the same hosting provider. We are looking 
> into the issue and should know more soon. 
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Jun 12, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>> There seems to be an epidemic of server-related problems that are effecting 
>> several cave-related sites. Folks are having problems with the TCMA, TSS, 
>> TSA, and at least one out-of-state site. Please have your web IT folks have 
>> a look at it.
>> 
>> Thanks !
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Server problems :

2016-06-12 Thread via Texascavers

The hosting company just responded to me for TCMA to say they are aware of the 
outage and are working to resolve it. Seems to be a wide outage for them. 

Joe
jran...@gmail.com

> On Jun 12, 2016, at 5:06 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Last I checked several of us used the same hosting provider. We are looking 
> into the issue and should know more soon. 
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There seems to be an epidemic of server-related problems that are effecting 
>> several cave-related sites. Folks are having problems with the TCMA, TSS, 
>> TSA, and at least one out-of-state site. Please have your web IT folks have 
>> a look at it.
>> 
>> Thanks !
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Server problems :

2016-06-12 Thread via Texascavers

Last I checked several of us used the same hosting provider. We are looking 
into the issue and should know more soon. 

Joe

> On Jun 12, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> There seems to be an epidemic of server-related problems that are effecting 
> several cave-related sites. Folks are having problems with the TCMA, TSS, 
> TSA, and at least one out-of-state site. Please have your web IT folks have a 
> look at it.
> 
> Thanks !
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] cool caves

2016-06-12 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers

Bockbeer wants to cave near Langtry? i was on the Devil's River a few weeks
ago. There was water. As for Acuna, I go there at least once a month. Not
much to do there but eat a good meal. If I weren't over seventy and could
hike I might go camping but these days it is motels and hotels for me. Find
a nice cool bar as well. Drive to Alpine or Marfa or stay at a B&B in
Marathon.

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 1:56 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> To anyone looking for a new "old" cave to explore.
>
> Just north of the town of Langtry is a very large goat ranch with 3
> very fun caves.
>
> Making contact with the landowner is going to be very difficult.
>
> He once lived in Del Rio and owned a large cattle-trucking business.
>
> I sent a Facebook message to his niece last year and she said she spoke
> with him and that cavers have always been welcome for the past 20 years
> as long as they were willing to meet with him in advance and sign a waiver
> and pay him $ 100 per caver.I live near Houston, and tried to
> get local cavers
> to go out there from 1989 to 1994 and we did twice, and he did not
> charge us, but that was before
> he decided on the $ 100 fee sometime around 1996.
>
> The link below is all the info that I have:
>
>
> http://www.mycarpro.org/Trucking-Operator/Southwest-Livestock-Co-26752/
>
> He was listed in the Del Rio phone book a few years ago, and he was your
> typical
> cowboy redneck ranch owner ( meaning he probably does not like people that
> look
> liberal-minded ).I always put on my cowboy shirt and boots and
> combed my hair
> before I met with him, and tried my best to not talk with city boy slang.
>
> Here is what I would do if I were going to investigate this:
>
> I would plan a scouting trip first, and try to meet with the owner to
> secure permission
> for a future trip. I would make this a tourist trip, and maybe
> venture into Ciudad
> Acuna to see how much trouble I could get into.( Contact Mr.
> Loving for expert tips on that. )
>
> Then I would go camping in the town of Pandale along the creek by the
> bridge
> and spend an hour or 2 walking up and down the creek.I have not done
> that in 21 years.  You might could talk to locals in Pandale and find
> some
> pretty cool rock-shelters there.   I bet that is what the R.A.F. does:
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/Rock-Art-Foundation-104236309662236/info/?tab=page_info
>
> I would also plan a road-side picnic by the bridge over the Pecos
> River. And maybe
> even spend a night at Seminole Canyon State Park.
>
> The point is ( since I live in east Texas ) that I would want to do
> all that on a 3 day weekend. And because my time is
> so valuable, I can not afford to risk such an adventure, and would be
> more inclined to
> spend a 3 day weekend going to Bustamante or the Guads, or several other
> places.
> I have not had a 3 day weekend in almost a year.  I am trying to
> decide at the moment how
> crazy it would be to drive to Ely, Nevada and back just to attend the
> NSS Howdy Party.That does
> not look feasible at all.
>
> I was my intention to maintain contact and good relations with the
> owner, but the realities
> of life kicked me in the ***.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David Locklear
> ( email sent via Linux Ubuntu Gnome "Yakkety Yak", but most likely
> going to migrate to
> Linux Mint 18 )
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Re: [Texascavers] Server problems :

2016-06-12 Thread Mixon Bill via Texascavers

And NCKRI's web site seems to be down today, too. (That's the National Cave and 
Karst Research Institute in Carlsbad.) -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Server problems :

2016-06-12 Thread Jerry via Texascavers

There seems to be an epidemic of server-related problems that are effecting 
several cave-related sites. Folks are having problems with the TCMA, TSS, TSA, 
and at least one out-of-state site. Please have your web IT folks have a look 
at it.

Thanks !

Jerry Atkinson
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[Texascavers] cool caves

2016-06-12 Thread David via Texascavers

To anyone looking for a new "old" cave to explore.

Just north of the town of Langtry is a very large goat ranch with 3
very fun caves.

Making contact with the landowner is going to be very difficult.

He once lived in Del Rio and owned a large cattle-trucking business.

I sent a Facebook message to his niece last year and she said she spoke
with him and that cavers have always been welcome for the past 20 years
as long as they were willing to meet with him in advance and sign a waiver
and pay him $ 100 per caver.I live near Houston, and tried to
get local cavers
to go out there from 1989 to 1994 and we did twice, and he did not
charge us, but that was before
he decided on the $ 100 fee sometime around 1996.

The link below is all the info that I have:

http://www.mycarpro.org/Trucking-Operator/Southwest-Livestock-Co-26752/

He was listed in the Del Rio phone book a few years ago, and he was your typical
cowboy redneck ranch owner ( meaning he probably does not like people that look
liberal-minded ).I always put on my cowboy shirt and boots and
combed my hair
before I met with him, and tried my best to not talk with city boy slang.

Here is what I would do if I were going to investigate this:

I would plan a scouting trip first, and try to meet with the owner to
secure permission
for a future trip. I would make this a tourist trip, and maybe
venture into Ciudad
Acuna to see how much trouble I could get into.( Contact Mr.
Loving for expert tips on that. )

Then I would go camping in the town of Pandale along the creek by the bridge
and spend an hour or 2 walking up and down the creek.I have not done
that in 21 years.  You might could talk to locals in Pandale and find some
pretty cool rock-shelters there.   I bet that is what the R.A.F. does:

https://www.facebook.com/Rock-Art-Foundation-104236309662236/info/?tab=page_info

I would also plan a road-side picnic by the bridge over the Pecos
River. And maybe
even spend a night at Seminole Canyon State Park.

The point is ( since I live in east Texas ) that I would want to do
all that on a 3 day weekend. And because my time is
so valuable, I can not afford to risk such an adventure, and would be
more inclined to
spend a 3 day weekend going to Bustamante or the Guads, or several other places.
I have not had a 3 day weekend in almost a year.  I am trying to
decide at the moment how
crazy it would be to drive to Ely, Nevada and back just to attend the
NSS Howdy Party.That does
not look feasible at all.

I was my intention to maintain contact and good relations with the
owner, but the realities
of life kicked me in the ***.

Cheers,

David Locklear
( email sent via Linux Ubuntu Gnome "Yakkety Yak", but most likely
going to migrate to
Linux Mint 18 )
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

2016-06-12 Thread Julia Germany via Texascavers

Hi Scott!

Please add your email address to your signature block. 

I would bet there are folks on this listserv who would be willing to discuss 
off-list your non-Powell's gate project fundraising concerns/comments.

We don't want to lose good cavers and grotto leaders like you!

julia

 

 

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germa...@aol.com 

 

 

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From: Scott C via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2016 9:29 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :



Jerry,


Thanks! I really appreciate your thoughtful response and the information. Some 
of these steps I've been pursuing, but others are good insights that I haven't. 
Sometimes, this issue just really frustrates me. It's good to know that other 
people feel this way, too. However, it's sad to learn that this has been an 
ongoing issue for such a long time. Most everybody that I have met & caved with 
in our grotto and in the Texas caving community so far have been really solid 
people who are enthusiastic about caving and open to helping those around them 
enjoy the sport. I've learned from talking with some of these people though 
that there is an undercurrent of frustration with some of the seeming cliquish 
or closed off nature of cave access sometimes which discourages pursuit of the 
sport. Since I have come to really love caving, I hate to see people get 
discouraged, because of some sort of systemic problem. Anyways...Hopefully, 
with the continued awesome work of organizations like TCMA, etc... and behind 
the scenes work of individual cavers who are talking with landowners, more of 
these Texas caves can be opened up to the Texas caving community at large via 
grotto trips, etc...


Sincerely,


Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 12, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
 wrote:



Scott,

You are not alone; this has been an issue for decades.  To find out about Texas 
caves in general, I suggest getting the guidebook "The Caves and Karst of 
Texas" which is available for $15to TSA and NSS members from the Texas 
Speleological Survey. Other county-specific publications on Texas caves are 
available for free download from the TSS website.

To go caving, you have several options:
1.) Participate in TSA, TCMA, and TSS projects which are advertised on the 
various Facebook pages and the TexasCavers listserve.
2.) Get the elder members of your grotto to coordinate more trips for the 
members
3.) Mingle with folks at the TSA Convention and TCR that are involved with 
caving in areas and caves that you are interested in
4.) Directly ask specific cave landowner contacts for a trip.

You probably will have to get out of your comfort zone a bit to get things 
moving, but your interest and motivation will win the hearts and minds of your 
fellow cavers.

Jerry Atkinson
Texas Speleological Survey


-Original Message-
From: Scott C via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :



Carl,


Very interesting article :) Thanks! Sounds like a cool cave I and others in our 
grotto would love to explore! 


I might be wrong in this, but it seems like to me there might be a number of 
these types of cool caves. Caves that were very popular in past years, but for 
some reason or another, currently, a lot of newer cavers never here about them 
anymore or don't seem to have access. I completely understand the issue of 
landowner relations that you brought up in your article. It's just kind of sad 
to me that more grotto members don't have access or knowledge of a lot of these 
caves. I really hope that we can move to increase knowledge and access to these 
awesome caves. I'd love to explore them, and I know a lot of other newer cavers 
would as well. I mean we regularly here about and plan trips to Robber Baron, 
Whirlpool, Logan's, Airman's, now O-9 Well, and Deep & Punkin' which are 
awesome! However, the same small slate of caves kind of get stale after a 
while. But then Midnight and others are right there in Carta Valley, and the 
majority of us can't get into them. Only a small group with special access 
visits them. That also happens with Perry Water Cave, and a number of other 
caves in Texas. However, when we take our yearly grotto trip up to TAG, even 
though we're total outsiders, we can get permits and visit tons of outstanding 
caves! I just wish that here in our home state it didn't feel so restricted, 
and like some sort of back-channel type of system for individuals or grottos to 
visit all the terrific caves our state has to offer. Thanks.


Are you going to be at NSS this year? I'd like to check out your book. 


Sincerely,


Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer
 



 
 
 
 On Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:44 PM, Scott C via Texascavers 
 wrote:

  

 


Carl,


Thanks so much for the link! I'll check it out :)


Cheers,


Scott Cogb

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

2016-06-12 Thread Scott C via Texascavers

Jerry,

Thanks! I really appreciate your thoughtful response and the information. Some 
of these steps I've been pursuing, but others are good insights that I haven't. 
Sometimes, this issue just really frustrates me. It's good to know that other 
people feel this way, too. However, it's sad to learn that this has been an 
ongoing issue for such a long time. Most everybody that I have met & caved with 
in our grotto and in the Texas caving community so far have been really solid 
people who are enthusiastic about caving and open to helping those around them 
enjoy the sport. I've learned from talking with some of these people though 
that there is an undercurrent of frustration with some of the seeming cliquish 
or closed off nature of cave access sometimes which discourages pursuit of the 
sport. Since I have come to really love caving, I hate to see people get 
discouraged, because of some sort of systemic problem. Anyways...Hopefully, 
with the continued awesome work of organizations like TCMA, etc... and behind 
the scenes work of individual cavers who are talking with landowners, more of 
these Texas caves can be opened up to the Texas caving community at large via 
grotto trips, etc...

Sincerely,

Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> You are not alone; this has been an issue for decades.  To find out about 
> Texas caves in general, I suggest getting the guidebook "The Caves and Karst 
> of Texas" which is available for $15 to TSA and NSS members from the Texas 
> Speleological Survey. Other county-specific publications on Texas caves are 
> available for free download from the TSS website.
> 
> To go caving, you have several options:
> 1.) Participate in TSA, TCMA, and TSS projects which are advertised on the 
> various Facebook pages and the TexasCavers listserve.
> 2.) Get the elder members of your grotto to coordinate more trips for the 
> members
> 3.) Mingle with folks at the TSA Convention and TCR that are involved with 
> caving in areas and caves that you are interested in
> 4.) Directly ask specific cave landowner contacts for a trip.
> 
> You probably will have to get out of your comfort zone a bit to get things 
> moving, but your interest and motivation will win the hearts and minds of 
> your fellow cavers.
> 
> Jerry Atkinson
> Texas Speleological Survey
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott C via Texascavers 
> To: texascavers 
> Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :
> 
> Carl,
> 
> Very interesting article :) Thanks! Sounds like a cool cave I and others in 
> our grotto would love to explore!
> 
> I might be wrong in this, but it seems like to me there might be a number of 
> these types of cool caves. Caves that were very popular in past years, but 
> for some reason or another, currently, a lot of newer cavers never here about 
> them anymore or don't seem to have access. I completely understand the issue 
> of landowner relations that you brought up in your article. It's just kind of 
> sad to me that more grotto members don't have access or knowledge of a lot of 
> these caves. I really hope that we can move to increase knowledge and access 
> to these awesome caves. I'd love to explore them, and I know a lot of other 
> newer cavers would as well. I mean we regularly here about and plan trips to 
> Robber Baron, Whirlpool, Logan's, Airman's, now O-9 Well, and Deep & Punkin' 
> which are awesome! However, the same small slate of caves kind of get stale 
> after a while. But then Midnight and others are right there in Carta Valley, 
> and the majority of us can't get into them. Only a small group with special 
> access visits them. That also happens with Perry Water Cave, and a number of 
> other caves in Texas. However, when we take our yearly grotto trip up to TAG, 
> even though we're total outsiders, we can get permits and visit tons of 
> outstanding caves! I just wish that here in our home state it didn't feel so 
> restricted, and like some sort of back-channel type of system for individuals 
> or grottos to visit all the terrific caves our state has to offer. Thanks.
> 
> Are you going to be at NSS this year? I'd like to check out your book.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Scott Cogburn
> Greater Houston Grotto
> Treasurer
> 
> 
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:44 PM, Scott C via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Carl,
> 
> Thanks so much for the link! I'll check it out :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Scott Cogburn
> Greater Houston Grotto
> Treasurer
> 
> 
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:08 PM, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jerry,
>  
> I plan to make a motion at tommorrow’s grotto meeting to help fund this.
>  
> Marvin
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jerryatkin via Texascavers
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 6:29 AM
> To: texasca

Re: [Texascavers] Proteopuppy firmbottomus discovered in Florida springs

2016-06-12 Thread via Texascavers



In a message dated 6/11/2016 12:00:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time, David 
writes:

I  believe in most of the aspects of evolution.

But it is hard to imagine  any evolutionary process whatsoever linking
species of the Order Caudata  from the Dinaric Alps region to the Edwards
Aquifer region.

I also  strongly disagree with the idealogy that a human soul can be
reincarnated  into a troglobitic creature, but that is for another
discussion.

It  would be interesting to know that there was once a hydrologic link to
the 2  aquifers 200 million years ago, but the odds of that seem  absolutely
impossible.

It seems more probable to me that there are  troglobitic species of the
Order Caudata throughout the Universe in similar  aquifers, and that the
same exact process led to their  development.

None of this is surprising when you consider how many times hound dogs have 
 been reported to have disappeared into Kentucky and Tennessee caves only 
to  reappear with gills some months later in Florida springs where they are 
known as  waterdogs, or when young mudpuppies. It is all part of God's plan 
so don't  question it.
 
Speaking of Florida springs, yesterday I paddled and snorked the Santa Fe  
river with well known caver Alan Cressler and some of his friends. I don't 
know  how many people were floating down the river but there must have been 
more than  five thousand and maybe ten. In the area of Ginnie springs it was 
a solid mass  of bikini babes as far as the eye could see.
 
I heard a great story of an incident that apparently happened earlier in  
the day. Some folks had built a raft consisting of a sheet of plywood atop 
some  floats powered by a small kicker. The resident young possum cop river 
ranger  decided to single them out for harassment because they had not 
registered their  "boat". They protested that it wasn't a boat and asked for a 
definition. The  possum cop said it was a boat because it had a "firm bottom", 
i.e., the sheet of  plywood, plus a motor however small. They insisted that 
it wasn't a bottom and  was in fact on top. Meanwhile two young bikini babes 
became wedged in between  the possum cop and the raft. They were floating 
face down on their inner tubes  with their yummy butts sticking up into the 
air. The rafters angrily demanded,  "What do you mean firm bottom? What's a 
firm bottom?" A ludicrous shouting match  followed in which the young women 
decided that the cop was referring to their  firm bottoms and joined in the 
fray. Meanwhile hundreds of nearby floaters  started yelling at the young cop 
to keep his eyes off the bottoms in  question. He had no choice but to 
retreat in defeat!
 
Sleazel
 


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2016-06-12 Thread Jerry via Texascavers

Scott,

You are not alone; this has been an issue for decades.  To find out about Texas 
caves in general, I suggest getting the guidebook "The Caves and Karst of 
Texas" which is available for $15to TSA and NSS members from the Texas 
Speleological Survey. Other county-specific publications on Texas caves are 
available for free download from the TSS website.

To go caving, you have several options:
1.) Participate in TSA, TCMA, and TSS projects which are advertised on the 
various Facebook pages and the TexasCavers listserve.
2.) Get the elder members of your grotto to coordinate more trips for the 
members
3.) Mingle with folks at the TSA Convention and TCR that are involved with 
caving in areas and caves that you are interested in
4.) Directly ask specific cave landowner contacts for a trip.

You probably will have to get out of your comfort zone a bit to get things 
moving, but your interest and motivation will win the hearts and minds of your 
fellow cavers.

Jerry Atkinson
Texas Speleological Survey


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Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:18 pm
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Carl,


Very interesting article :) Thanks! Sounds like a cool cave I and others in our 
grotto would love to explore! 


I might be wrong in this, but it seems like to me there might be a number of 
these types of cool caves. Caves that were very popular in past years, but for 
some reason or another, currently, a lot of newer cavers never here about them 
anymore or don't seem to have access. I completely understand the issue of 
landowner relations that you brought up in your article. It's just kind of sad 
to me that more grotto members don't have access or knowledge of a lot of these 
caves. I really hope that we can move to increase knowledge and access to these 
awesome caves. I'd love to explore them, and I know a lot of other newer cavers 
would as well. I mean we regularly here about and plan trips to Robber Baron, 
Whirlpool, Logan's, Airman's, now O-9 Well, and Deep & Punkin' which are 
awesome! However, the same small slate of caves kind of get stale after a 
while. But then Midnight and others are right there in Carta Valley, and the 
majority of us can't get into them. Only a small group with special access 
visits them. That also happens with Perry Water Cave, and a number of other 
caves in Texas. However, when we take our yearly grotto trip up to TAG, even 
though we're total outsiders, we can get permits and visit tons of outstanding 
caves! I just wish that here in our home state it didn't feel so restricted, 
and like some sort of back-channel type of system for individuals or grottos to 
visit all the terrific caves our state has to offer. Thanks.


Are you going to be at NSS this year? I'd like to check out your book. 


Sincerely,


Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer
 



 
 
 
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Carl,


Thanks so much for the link! I'll check it out :)


Cheers,


Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer
 



 
 
 
 On Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:08 PM, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers 
 wrote:

  

 


Jerry,
  
I plan to make a motion at tommorrow’s grotto meeting to help fund this.
  
Marvin
  


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerryatkin via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 6:29 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

  

Just a reminder that the gate still needs funding.

  

Jerry.

Sent from my iPad


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From: Jerry 
Date: June 9, 2016 at 3:21:56 AM MDT
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :


Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help

 Powell’s Cave is the second longest cave in Texas, with 26.1 km of surveyed 
passage. Treasure hunters dug the historic entrance open in the early 1900s and 
it is now stabilized with a concrete culvert installed by volunteer cavers in 
the late 1990s. The cave is used as a roost by a large colony of Cave Myotis 
(Myotis velifer). Recently, during a scheduled visit to the cave, it was 
discovered that trespassers had entered the cave and vandalized it, leaving 
cans, bottles, and other miscellaneous trash in the cave. Unfortunately, this 
also included spray-painting graffiti on the cave walls in the Crevice Passage 
(see attached photos). 

 

Concerns about protecting the integrity of the cave as well as the vulnerable 
bat colony (estimated at about 10,000 individuals) have led to the decision to 
install an above ground, bat-friendly, cupola-style gate, similar to the one 
recently built for Ezell’s Cave in Hays County. Jim Kennedy of Kennedy 
Above/Under Ground LLC has been contracted to build the gate and it is hoped 
that it will be completed sometime in the next month or so.

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

2016-06-12 Thread Jerry via Texascavers

Thanks, Marvin !  I appreciate the grotto's involvement.

Jerry.

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From: Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 11:08 am
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Jerry,

I plan to make a motion at tommorrow’s grotto meeting to help fund this.

Marvin

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerryatkin via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 6:29 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

Just a reminder that the gate still needs funding.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPad

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From: Jerry 
Date: June 9, 2016 at 3:21:56 AM MDT
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help

 Powell’s Cave is the second longest cave in Texas, with 26.1 km of surveyed 
passage. Treasure hunters dug the historic entrance open in the early 1900s and 
it is now stabilized with a concrete culvert installed by volunteer cavers in 
the late 1990s. The cave is used as a roost by a large colony of Cave Myotis 
(Myotis velifer). Recently, during a scheduled visit to the cave, it was 
discovered that trespassers had entered the cave and vandalized it, leaving 
cans, bottles, and other miscellaneous trash in the cave. Unfortunately, this 
also included spray-painting graffiti on the cave walls in the Crevice Passage 
(see attached photos). 

Concerns about protecting the integrity of the cave as well as the vulnerable 
bat colony (estimated at about 10,000 individuals) have led to the decision to 
install an above ground, bat-friendly, cupola-style gate, similar to the one 
recently built for Ezell’s Cave in Hays County. Jim Kennedy of Kennedy 
Above/Under Ground LLC has been contracted to build the gate and it is hoped 
that it will be completed sometime in the next month or so.

As part of the agreement with the landowner, cavers will be paying for the 
labor and ancillary costs of the gate construction, while the landowner will 
pay for the materials. This was done to support continuing landowner relations 
and demonstrate our commitment to the protection and stewardship of the cave. 
We need to raise approximately $3300 to cover our end of the deal. 

If you are interested in helping the project, please consider a cash pledge to 
help in alleviating the costs. Powell’s Cave has been an important part of 
Texas caving for more than 50 years, and hopefully will be open to recreational 
caving and research for many years to come. If all goes well, there will be 
clean up and restoration trips in the future that folks can volunteer for. Any 
and all donations of time and money are greatly appreciated.

Pledges can be sent to:

Gerald Atkinson – Powell’s Cave Liaison

jerryat...@aol.com

If you have any questions, please email me. Thanks !

Photos courtesy of Arron Wertheim (May 2016)

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