Re: [Texascavers] Pete Pics

[pstrickland1]

Not Pete in the tent.  He never wears an armband...or has such fancy digs.  
Jocie
 Mike Flannigan  wrote: 
> 
Here are some pics I found of Pete.
Not all of these are my pics.  If they are yours
feel free to claim ownership of them:

http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete-10-20-2007_-_293029n0985405w.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete_-_10-17-2009_-_293026n0985404w.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete_-_10-17-2009_-__2.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/the_stricklands_-_10-2004.jpg


Mike

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Disease

[David]

If that is the accepted  explanation then...

I have had "work disease," "marital disease" and "Mexican-food disease,"
and "Mexican water disease," and most of all "surface disease."

I have not taken anti-biotics in at least 20 years.   Not sure if I believe
in them.   But I do like yogurt.  Haven't had much luck liking kefir.

D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

[Diana Tomchick]

Hi,

About 5 years ago, I acquired a bad skin infection from Pseudomonas after a 
trip into a Texas water cave. This is an opportunistic skin pathogen that 
results from mild skin abrasions and prolonged exposure to infected 
water--colloquially it's known as "hot tub rash". I was wearing an ill-fitting, 
old diving wet suit that I subsequently replaced.

https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/swimming/swimmers/rwi/rashes.html

Despite the seemingly innocuous name of the affliction, it was so painful that 
I was unable to wear pants for two days, and the lymph nodes in my groin were 
also swollen.

Diana

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(214) 645-6353 (fax)

From: Texascavers  on behalf of Geary 
Schindel 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:09 PM
To: Lee H. Skinner; New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers; Sandia Grotto
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave  
Rescue

Their Dr./commentator called me this morning a few minutes before I had to run 
into a meeting and wanted to talk about potential diseases the kids may be 
exposed to in the cave. I talked a little about Histo which he was a aware of 
but I didn't think that was likely unless it was a significant bat cave. I told 
him I had never heard of it called cave disease as most people aren't around 
bat caves and they are much more likely to get it from birds, especially if 
they are commercially raising birds. He rattled off some other bacteria which I 
had never heard. I did tell him about E coli O157 H7, crypto, and giardia which 
are not uncommon in water and how storm water is commonly very high in 
bacteria. He also asked about rabies which I also told him was unlikely unless 
they were eating bats.  I think he was trying to put a twist on it and I have a 
feeling it isn't going to go well.

Geary

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Subject: [SWR CAVERS] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

ABC will air a special edition of 20/20 tomorrow evening (Tuesday July 10, 8:00 
pm - 9:00 pm Mountain Daylight Time) on the Thailand cave rescue.


As the next group of cave divers enter the cave, they are hopeful of
bringing out all four remaining boys and their coach,


Lee Skinner

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

[Michael Queen]

Could "cave disease" be the English translation of whatever Thai dialect
might be used locally? While in English speaking countries we speak in
shaded and well defined terms and Linnean hierarchies, it seems likely
that,  in a less technological society,  everything bad  associated with a
cave might be generically described as "cave disease."  Are all the divers
and med support, etc., out?

M

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Geary Schindel <
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:

> Their Dr./commentator called me this morning a few minutes before I had to
> run into a meeting and wanted to talk about potential diseases the kids may
> be exposed to in the cave. I talked a little about Histo which he was a
> aware of but I didn't think that was likely unless it was a significant bat
> cave. I told him I had never heard of it called cave disease as most people
> aren't around bat caves and they are much more likely to get it from birds,
> especially if they are commercially raising birds. He rattled off some
> other bacteria which I had never heard. I did tell him about E coli O157
> H7, crypto, and giardia which are not uncommon in water and how storm water
> is commonly very high in bacteria. He also asked about rabies which I also
> told him was unlikely unless they were eating bats.  I think he was trying
> to put a twist on it and I have a feeling it isn't going to go well.
>
> Geary
>
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> Behalf Of Lee H. Skinner
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> Subject: [SWR CAVERS] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue
>
> ABC will air a special edition of 20/20 tomorrow evening (Tuesday July 10,
> 8:00 pm - 9:00 pm Mountain Daylight Time) on the Thailand cave rescue.
>
>
> As the next group of cave divers enter the cave, they are hopeful of
> bringing out all four remaining boys and their coach,
>
>
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[Texascavers] another Thai update

[David]

It is my opinion that the YouTube channel below offered the quickest
translation of the
info during the rescue, as it unfolded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5SDnliaM_0

There were other Thai channels with more info and quicker info, but it was
just too hard to decipher
what was really going on.

That all being said, much of the info was not of interest to most American
viewers.

While Thais are proud of this event, I see many other arrogant people and
bigots who think the coach
was a fool, and the boys were too young to be in a cave, and even others
that strongly believe
anyone that goes in a cave is a fool.

It would be very interesting to see the authorities continue working in the
cave thru the monsoon pretending they had
not yet got the boys out and test the PVC inflatable tube, and the
mini-submarine and the
submersible pumps, and even use the back of the cave to train people
worldwide as to what this was
really all about. It would be great to see them continue to hunt for a
back-door.

My bet is that the military will camp in front of the cave for 4 months to
keep people out, and maybe
even set up barbed wire across the trail.

If they allow caving again in December, I would be cave lovers from all
over the world visit the cave.

D.L.



P.S.   I had a setback today in my fantasy to drive to the NSS
Convention.  My Sequoia had
another breakdown, so I am about to have an unexpected bill of over $
1,000.The price of plane
tickets is not way outside my budget. There is a zero % chance I will
be attending the convention,
and a 0.1% chance I will attend the Howdy Party.
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Re: [Texascavers] Stranded in Cave illnesses

[Michael Sisson]

I really wish you would just stop with all of your stupid speculations. 

> On Jul 10, 2018, at 5:03 PM, David  wrote:
> 
> It seems plausible that the Thai boys entered the cave with pre-existing 
> conditions.  And that they went in already malnourished.
> 
> 
> The limits to their immune-system were likely pushed beyond anything normal 
> people have ever experienced ( something like trench-warfare ).  
> 
> They had no earthly idea they were going to live for 2 weeks.  They had to 
> choose between dying of starvation or purposely drowning themselves or 
> killing one another with a rock ( if they could find one ).  It is plausible 
> they discussed this amongst themselves.  ***Imagine hearing all your best 
> friends dying very very slowly in total darkness simultaneously.***
> 
> Another day or 2 of that and not knowing and not eating would have been 
> detremental to their moral to live.
> 
> Add that stress and more to that and that they had open flesh wounds ( cuts 
> and scrapes ), pneumonia, barefooted, no blanket,  feces from agriculture and 
> possiblly bats and birds upstream, their own feces, extremophiles, and dust 
> in the air and more.
> 
> They all need intense medical care out of precaution including things like 
> colonoscopies and exposure to radon.
> 
> If any were to die next week, their doctors and whoever releases them will 
> get shamed publically.
> 
> Ironically, 100s of people died tragically in Asia this week.
> 
> If I were in their hospital bed, I would want grits with cheese, butter and 
> bacon bits and black pepper all day long.  And a tablespoon of MaltoMeal, and 
> strawberry jello with peach cubes.  And cranberry juice.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

[Geary Schindel]

Their Dr./commentator called me this morning a few minutes before I had to run 
into a meeting and wanted to talk about potential diseases the kids may be 
exposed to in the cave. I talked a little about Histo which he was a aware of 
but I didn't think that was likely unless it was a significant bat cave. I told 
him I had never heard of it called cave disease as most people aren't around 
bat caves and they are much more likely to get it from birds, especially if 
they are commercially raising birds. He rattled off some other bacteria which I 
had never heard. I did tell him about E coli O157 H7, crypto, and giardia which 
are not uncommon in water and how storm water is commonly very high in 
bacteria. He also asked about rabies which I also told him was unlikely unless 
they were eating bats.  I think he was trying to put a twist on it and I have a 
feeling it isn't going to go well. 

Geary

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Of Lee H. Skinner
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 8:34 PM
To: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers 
; Sandia Grotto 

Subject: [SWR CAVERS] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

ABC will air a special edition of 20/20 tomorrow evening (Tuesday July 10, 8:00 
pm - 9:00 pm Mountain Daylight Time) on the Thailand cave rescue.


As the next group of cave divers enter the cave, they are hopeful of 
bringing out all four remaining boys and their coach,


Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] Stranded in Cave illnesses

[David]

It seems plausible that the Thai boys entered the cave with pre-existing
conditions.  And that they went in already malnourished.


The limits to their immune-system were likely pushed beyond anything normal
people have ever experienced ( something like trench-warfare ).

They had no earthly idea they were going to live for 2 weeks.  They had to
choose between dying of starvation or purposely drowning themselves or
killing one another with a rock ( if they could find one ).  It is
plausible they discussed this amongst themselves.  ***Imagine hearing all
your best friends dying very very slowly in total darkness
simultaneously.***

Another day or 2 of that and not knowing and not eating would have been
detremental to their moral to live.

Add that stress and more to that and that they had open flesh wounds ( cuts
and scrapes ), pneumonia, barefooted, no blanket,  feces from agriculture
and possiblly bats and birds upstream, their own feces, extremophiles, and
dust in the air and more.

They all need intense medical care out of precaution including things like
colonoscopies and exposure to radon.

If any were to die next week, their doctors and whoever releases them will
get shamed publically.

Ironically, 100s of people died tragically in Asia this week.

If I were in their hospital bed, I would want grits with cheese, butter and
bacon bits and black pepper all day long.  And a tablespoon of MaltoMeal,
and strawberry jello with peach cubes.  And cranberry juice.

D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] Media reports about the Soccer Coach seem odd

[terri.spro...@yahoo.com]

 Something seems fishy with media coverage of the rescue. It was first reported 
that the Coach came out with the first group since he was in bad shape because 
he gave all of his food and water to the boys. Almost immediately, the media 
all reported that the Coach was still in. But . . .  they did not name which 
boys had come out, and did not let the relatives know which boys were out. And 
the rescued boys had no contact with relatives until all were out. That seems 
really odd to me.  I suspect that, as first reported, the Coach actually came 
out with the first of the rescued boys due to his poor physical condition, and 
that there was an effort to keep that info away from the media.
Just my intuition.
Terri Sprouse
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[Texascavers] Movie idea

[David]

The next sequel of "Virus," will start with this story.

British caver, Rob Harper, returns to England and a plane full of zombies
attacks thousands of people at airport turning them to zombies
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] They're all out safe

[Lee H. Skinner]

As I predicted:


https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/thailand-cave-movie-hollywood-producers-already-on-the-scene/news-story/74268c86b6cf82501c628693490e14ab


Lee Skinner


On 7/10/2018 10:39 AM, Lee H. Skinner wrote:

GAME OVER!


Movie coming soon? :-)


Lee Skinner



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[Texascavers] Rescued Thai Boys Being Watched for Illnesses Caught from Cave Animals

[Dwight]

>From Scientific American July 10, 2018 






Rescued Thai Boys Being Watched for Illnesses Caught from Cave Animals 

Medical responders will be on the lookout for signs of infection 

* By Dina Fine Maron on July 10, 2018 





Thai police stand guard at the Tham Luang cave area as operations continue for 
the 12 boys and their coach trapped at the cave in Khun Nam Nang Non Forest 
Park in the Mae Sai district of Chiang Rai province on July 8, 2018. Credit: 
Lillian Suwanrumpha Getty Images 





Youth soccer team members rescued more than two weeks after sudden flooding 
trapped them in a cave complex in Thailand are now convalescing at a hospital 
in the northern city of Chiang Rai. In addition to treating the boys for 
potential dehydration, malnutrition and oxygen depravation, their doctors also 
plan to closely monitor them for symptoms of diseases that may have been 
transmitted by animals living in the cave system. Operations were underway at 
the time of publication to rescue the 12 boys (ages 11 to 17) and their coach. 




The “next step is to make sure those kids and their families are safe, because 
living in a cave has a different environment, which might contain animals that 
could transmit…disease,” news reports quoted a statement from Chiangrai 
Prachanukroh Hospital as saying. The boys and their family members have been 
told to watch for symptoms such as headache, nausea, muscle pain or difficulty 
breathing, the reports added. 




Yet based on the location where the boys were trapped—more than four kilometers 
from the cave complex’s main entrance, past some fully submerged passages—and 
the fact they have been swimming out wearing full scuba face masks, it seems 
unlikely that they were living with bats in the cave or breathed in 
bat-associated pathogens during their rescue, several infectious disease 
experts told Scientific American. “It’s hard to imagine bats got that deep into 
the cave because of all those narrow passageways, but it is possible,” says Ian 
Lipkin, a zoonotic expert and professor of epidemiology at the Mailman School 
of Public Health at Columbia University. “It’s unlikely that there would be 
many animals in there,” notes Jonathan Epstein, a veterinarian and 
epidemiologist at EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit organization that studies 
pandemics and how to prevent them. Bats typically like to roost in areas they 
can easily enter and exit, not in places that fully flood, he adds. 

Bats in Thailand have been linked with a wide range of viruses—including Nipah, 
which can cause brain inflammation, and others that are similar to severe acute 
respiratory syndrome (SARS)—Lipkin says. But it seems more likely the boys 
would have been exposed to infection-causing bacteria when they swam through 
the dirty water with cuts and scrapes. “If you are trying to prioritize issues 
with respect to health care for these kids, number one would be psychological 
damage and second will be bacterial infections from the cuts and scrapes they 
may have encountered—so things like tetanus,” Lipkin says. 




When the boys first receive medical care they will be asked what elements they 
were exposed to and if they saw any bats or bat guano, says Amesh Adalja, an 
infectious disease doctor and a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for 
Health Security. Rabies, for example, is often treated prophylactically if 
someone was known to be sleeping in the presence of a bat. “But if there were 
no bats in the cave, that will remove a lot of concerns about things like 
rabies as well as concerns about dangerous diseases spread by inhaling infected 
bat droppings,” Adalja says. 




One of the chief challenges for the boys’ care team will be teasing apart which 
health problems are due to dehydration and stress and which might be signs of 
infection, because the symptoms can look similar, Adalja notes. Fever and an 
elevated heart rate could be due to any of those factors, he says. “These are 
all things you would expect to see in someone under this type of severe 
stress—not knowing if they would live or die and then going through this 
harrowing rescue.” 




Other than treating any scrapes and bruises with antiseptic to stave off 
infection, there may be relatively common gastrointestinal problems that will 
also need to be watched. The team would have defecated in the cave and may have 
drunk contaminated water as a result, Adalja says—and that water may have also 
been teeming with bacteria that surged in with the rainwater. In the days 
ahead, he says, “it’s important to do a head-to-toe examination and think about 
what they were exposed to in that cave and in the water.” 
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Re: [Texascavers] Survival question

[Charles Loving]

They were not thinking about survival. Only a survivalist or Alex Jones
would worry about such on a day trip.  For survival I always take a case of
Kipper Snacks with me on all my trips incase there areb't any fast food
joints. I have a map of all the Dairy Queens in the U.S., and an Ap for the
Sconic locations.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:07 AM, David  wrote:

> If the boys in Thailand were drinking cave water, then
>
> They were getting enough fluid to keep their heart pumping.
>
> There are some minerals in the water like calcium and maybe iron.
>
> I have heard of people that ate dirt to survive.
>
> How much longer could they have survived ?
>
> What should they have had in an ideal survival situation ?
>
> Krill capsules ?   Vitamins ? Nuts ? Dried fruit ?  Yogurt ?  Hummus ?
> Dried shrimp ?  Jerky ?  Sardines ? Tuna ? Cann of beans ?  Seaweed ?  Tofu
> ?
> Milk ?
>
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Re: [Texascavers] They're all out safe

[John Brooks]

Lee,

Thank you for keeping us all updated on the rescue news. Your efforts were 
appreciated.

John

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Lee H. Skinner  wrote:
> 
> GAME OVER!
> 
> 
> Movie coming soon? :-)
> 
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[Texascavers] They're all out safe

[Lee H. Skinner]

GAME OVER!


Movie coming soon? :-)


Lee Skinner

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Re: [Texascavers] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

[PRESTON FORSYTHE]

I was starved for 3 weeks once in the Army in Ranger school. We had one small 
meal a day, that is all, while working, mostly hiking with a 70 lb. pack, 20 
hours a day. The 3 weeks prior we only had 2 meals a day. The last exercise was 
72 hours, non-stop, walking, level ground this time in north Florida, still 
carrying a 70 lb pack. We finished at daylight. They fed us the largest 
breakfast you have even seen. Eggs, waffles with ice cream, bacon, saugage, the 
works. Within 15 minutes of finishing breakfast eveyone of us, all 200, threw 
up, very sick and miserable. The purpose of this-you can do it if you have to.
I fully understand why those trapped teenagers have only been fed very simple 
rice meals since they were found and why they are closely monitored. They want 
bbq pork but only get simple rice.

Preston in KY 

On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:37 AM, Diana Tomchick 
 wrote:
 

  My guess is that a few of them have histoplasmosis (best guess at the 
“respiratory infection” cited by various new sources), and they want to ensure 
that the doctors catch all the possible other problems they might have, 
including gastrointestinal problems from consuming cave water.
My other guess is that they kept them quarantined in order to control their 
access to reporters. What do you think would have happened if the first 4 or 8 
were removed from the cave without incident, but someone in a later group had 
experienced trouble on the way out of the cave? It’s mind boggling to think 
about how the families would have been besieged by reporters from all over the 
world—and as we can all see, there’s no shortage of international media at this 
location.
A number of psychologists interviewed on CNN have been asked to speculate on 
the sorts of lingering psychological effects upon the boys of this incident, 
and the Chilean miners of Copiapó are often mentioned (see 
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-chile-miners-thailand-cave-20180706-story.html).
 I haven’t noticed any of them focusing on the effects of having a media circus 
surround them once they are released from the hospital. :)
Diana
**
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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax) 
On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:28 PM, Marvin and Lisa  wrote:
Can anyone speak to the extreme measures being taken by the Thai medical team 
to keep the boys in quarantine? Is that really necessary? Are they afraid the 
boys might have contracted something in the cave or are they afraid that their 
immune systems might be weakened and they are protecting them from being 
infected by visitors?

Marvin Miller

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H. Skinner
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 8:34 PM
To: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers 
; Sandia Grotto 

Subject: [Texascavers] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

ABC will air a special edition of 20/20 tomorrow evening (Tuesday July 10, 8:00 
pm - 9:00 pm Mountain Daylight Time) on the Thailand cave rescue.


As the next group of cave divers enter the cave, they are hopeful of 
bringing out all four remaining boys and their coach,


Lee Skinner

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Re: [Texascavers] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

[Julia Germany]

Live Science updated this morning their article about the potential health 
reasons for quarantining the Thai kids and coach.

It’s so frustrating that the doctor from Johns Hopkins mentioned bats and 
rabies (3rd paragraph).

Link to article:

https://www.livescience.com/63018-thailand-boys-quarantined-cave-diseases.html


- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany


On Jul 10, 2018, at 10:38, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:

My guess is that a few of them have histoplasmosis (best guess at the 
“respiratory infection” cited by various new sources), and they want to ensure 
that the doctors catch all the possible other problems they might have, 
including gastrointestinal problems from consuming cave water.

My other guess is that they kept them quarantined in order to control their 
access to reporters. What do you think would have happened if the first 4 or 8 
were removed from the cave without incident, but someone in a later group had 
experienced trouble on the way out of the cave? It’s mind boggling to think 
about how the families would have been besieged by reporters from all over the 
world—and as we can all see, there’s no shortage of international media at this 
location.

A number of psychologists interviewed on CNN have been asked to speculate on 
the sorts of lingering psychological effects upon the boys of this incident, 
and the Chilean miners of Copiapó are often mentioned (see 
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-chile-miners-thailand-cave-20180706-story.html).
 I haven’t noticed any of them focusing on the effects of having a media circus 
surround them once they are released from the hospital. :)

Diana

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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:28 PM, Marvin and Lisa 
mailto:mlmil...@gvtc.com>> wrote:

Can anyone speak to the extreme measures being taken by the Thai medical team 
to keep the boys in quarantine? Is that really necessary? Are they afraid the 
boys might have contracted something in the cave or are they afraid that their 
immune systems might be weakened and they are protecting them from being 
infected by visitors?

Marvin Miller

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Lee 
H. Skinner
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 8:34 PM
To: New Mexico Cavers 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>; Texas Cavers 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>; Sandia 
Grotto 
mailto:sandia-grotto-of-the-national-speleological-soci...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [Texascavers] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

ABC will air a special edition of 20/20 tomorrow evening (Tuesday July 10, 8:00 
pm - 9:00 pm Mountain Daylight Time) on the Thailand cave rescue.


As the next group of cave divers enter the cave, they are hopeful of
bringing out all four remaining boys and their coach,


Lee Skinner

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Re: [Texascavers] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

[Diana Tomchick]

My guess is that a few of them have histoplasmosis (best guess at the 
“respiratory infection” cited by various new sources), and they want to ensure 
that the doctors catch all the possible other problems they might have, 
including gastrointestinal problems from consuming cave water.

My other guess is that they kept them quarantined in order to control their 
access to reporters. What do you think would have happened if the first 4 or 8 
were removed from the cave without incident, but someone in a later group had 
experienced trouble on the way out of the cave? It’s mind boggling to think 
about how the families would have been besieged by reporters from all over the 
world—and as we can all see, there’s no shortage of international media at this 
location.

A number of psychologists interviewed on CNN have been asked to speculate on 
the sorts of lingering psychological effects upon the boys of this incident, 
and the Chilean miners of Copiapó are often mentioned (see 
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-chile-miners-thailand-cave-20180706-story.html).
 I haven’t noticed any of them focusing on the effects of having a media circus 
surround them once they are released from the hospital. :)

Diana

**
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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:28 PM, Marvin and Lisa 
mailto:mlmil...@gvtc.com>> wrote:

Can anyone speak to the extreme measures being taken by the Thai medical team 
to keep the boys in quarantine? Is that really necessary? Are they afraid the 
boys might have contracted something in the cave or are they afraid that their 
immune systems might be weakened and they are protecting them from being 
infected by visitors?

Marvin Miller

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Lee 
H. Skinner
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 8:34 PM
To: New Mexico Cavers 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>; Texas Cavers 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>; Sandia 
Grotto 
mailto:sandia-grotto-of-the-national-speleological-soci...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [Texascavers] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

ABC will air a special edition of 20/20 tomorrow evening (Tuesday July 10, 8:00 
pm - 9:00 pm Mountain Daylight Time) on the Thailand cave rescue.


As the next group of cave divers enter the cave, they are hopeful of
bringing out all four remaining boys and their coach,


Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] Survival question

[David]

If the boys in Thailand were drinking cave water, then

They were getting enough fluid to keep their heart pumping.

There are some minerals in the water like calcium and maybe iron.

I have heard of people that ate dirt to survive.

How much longer could they have survived ?

What should they have had in an ideal survival situation ?

Krill capsules ?   Vitamins ? Nuts ? Dried fruit ?  Yogurt ?  Hummus ?
Dried shrimp ?  Jerky ?  Sardines ? Tuna ? Cann of beans ?  Seaweed ?  Tofu
?
Milk ?
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Re: [Texascavers] Pete Pics

[PRESTON FORSYTHE]

Thanks Mike for posting those Pete pictures.
If a collection of Pete Strickland CaveTex pictures, remarks and tributes are 
assembled into a booklet, I would like to purchase a copy or two. maybe that 
could also include Pete Facebook posts, which I do not receive.
Pete was one of my first 1307 1/2 Kirkwood caving buddies and we will all miss 
him. I could tell story after story.
On Monday afternoon for 4 hours at the Helena NSS Convention there will be a 
session on the Kirkwood Caving Community of the '70's and early '80's. Maria 
Perez, John Wilson, Frank Binney and Bill Steele will moderate and chair the 
afternoon.
>From the time Pete joined the NSS around 1966-67 until last summer he only 
>missed two NSS conventions. Pete was in Germany one year and he was taking 
>treatments last summer.

Preston and Shari Forsythe in KY.  We were around Kirkwood for 6 years between 
1972 and 1978. 

On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:20 AM, Mike Flannigan  wrote:
 

 
Here are some pics I found of Pete.
Not all of these are my pics.  If they are yours
feel free to claim ownership of them:

http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete-10-20-2007_-_293029n0985405w.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete_-_10-17-2009_-_293026n0985404w.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete_-_10-17-2009_-__2.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/the_stricklands_-_10-2004.jpg


Mike

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[Texascavers] Pete Pics

[Mike Flannigan]

Here are some pics I found of Pete.
Not all of these are my pics.  If they are yours
feel free to claim ownership of them:

http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete-10-20-2007_-_293029n0985405w.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete_-_10-17-2009_-_293026n0985404w.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/pete_-_10-17-2009_-__2.jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/the_stricklands_-_10-2004.jpg


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[Texascavers] They drugged the kids

[Lyndon Tiu]

The secret sauce!


Thai PM says the boys have been given anti-anxiety medication for the
journey out the cave - the same medication he takes to help him relax when
he shoots guns.





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