Re: [Texascavers] Conclusion of Vietnam cave rescue

[JamesJasek]

How very sad that someone died in the cave and this could not be rescued

Jim

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On Jun 9, 2019, at 4:52 PM, George Veni  wrote:

I’m sorry to report that the cave rescue in Vietnam is over and turned into a 
body recovery:
 
https://usures.com/vietnam/found-the-victim-after-10-days-in-the-cave-at-c-ma/
 
George
 

George  Veni, PhD
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
 
NCKRI address (primary)
400-1 Cascades Avenue 
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
Office: +575-887-5517
Mobile: +210-863-5919
Fax: +575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org 
 
UIS address
Titov trg 2
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia 
www.uis-speleo.org
 
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[Texascavers] Conclusion of Vietnam cave rescue

[George Veni]

I'm sorry to report that the cave rescue in Vietnam is over and turned into a 
body recovery:

https://usures.com/vietnam/found-the-victim-after-10-days-in-the-cave-at-c-ma/

George


George  Veni, PhD
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)

NCKRI address (primary)
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
Office: +575-887-5517
Mobile: +210-863-5919
Fax: +575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

UIS address
Titov trg 2
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
www.uis-speleo.org

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

[Steve Keselik]

George, it's been along time since I've seen you. I've always enjoyed your
company and appreciate all you do for our karst ,cave and hydro resources!
When you speak or post ,I listen!  You are an old friend that has moved
away but is fighting the good fight. Keep it up! I haven't made a local
grotto meeting in years but I read the announcements. Team Troglo Brau has
still got your back brother. Not many others that have put in the time in
Powell's stream passage! I found the announcement very informative and I
learned something.Now can you teach me how to put an umlaut over the E in
Zoe on the computer? My daughter, who's name we picked way before it became
popular would appreciate it! Lol All the best to You,Steve and the gang
P.S. Keep the posts coming even if it's after the fact.


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On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 2:04 PM Michael Harris 
wrote:

> A 4 hour trip from San Antonio would have been toughOK, maybe
> impossible but if I would have happened to be near Carlsbad I sure would
> have appreciated the heads up. Thanks for keeping us in the loop George.
>
> Mike Harris
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 10:20 AM George Veni  wrote:
>
>> I don’t see the point to this repeated criticism. I started my
>> announcement with an apology for sending it at the last minute because it
>> was clear that it would be too late for many people. I sent it because it
>> may not be too late for some and I thought it would be good to include
>> them. If my circumstances allowed me to send the announcement earlier, I
>> obviously would have.
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone has further complaints about my sharing information over lists
>> designed to share information, please do so privately.
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jerry 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 06:01
>> *To:* George Veni ; swrcav...@googlegroups.com;
>> Texascavers@texascavers.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns
>> today!
>>
>>
>>
>> Well George,
>>
>>
>>
>> If it was important, why did you give us 4 hours notice before the
>> meeting ?  Even If I lived in Carlsbad, I probably wouldn't have noticed
>> your email until it was either too late or had prior engagements.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you wanted to be inclusive, send meeting notices earlier.  As it was,
>> it appears as a last moment "oops" or worse, just covering yourself for
>> planning in reverse.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe the Region would like to hear of Zoe's results if she is around
>> during the upcoming Winter Tech. I promise we won't give her 4 hours
>> notice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry Atkinson.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: George Veni 
>> To: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers <
>> Texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 10:00 pm
>> Subject: RE: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>>
>> Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:
>>
>> * I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in
>> attending.
>>
>> * There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas
>> e-lists within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it
>> with the short 4-hour advance notice I gave.
>>
>> * Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to
>> Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would
>> miss announcements sent only to locals.
>>
>> * I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting
>> people news that might interest them.
>>
>> * I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in
>> case some might benefit from them.
>>
>> In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know
>> if any people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who
>> might have.
>>
>> George
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jerryat...@aol.com 
>> Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
>> To: George Veni 
>> Cc: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers <
>> Texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>>
>> Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to
>> hear more at the SWR Winter Tech.
>>
>> Jerry Atkinson.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni  wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> >
>> > I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad
>> area this afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National
>> Park at 4 p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
>> >
>> > Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show
>> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is
>> 

[Texascavers] Cave rescue in Vietnam

[George Veni]

I just learned of this dire cave rescue in Vietnam:

https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/society/20190607/over-100-rescuers-join-efforts-to-save-man-trapped-in-cave-in-northern-vietnam/50238.html

The UIS Cave Rescue Commission is working to establish contacts in Vietnam and 
offer assistance through the Asian Union of Speleology and other sources. On 
behalf of the Commission, I have just reached out to all staff listed on the US 
National Cave Rescue Commission website to make them aware of the situation and 
in case there is anything they may be able to do to help.

My long-distance assessment of the situation is that some major earth-moving 
equipment is needed to divert water flow from the cave entrance and then to dig 
it open. I expect it may be more complicated than that, and hope for the best 
possible outcome.

George


George  Veni, PhD
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)

NCKRI address (primary)
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
Office: +575-887-5517
Mobile: +210-863-6919
Fax: +575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

UIS address
Titov trg 2
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
www.uis-speleo.org

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Re: [Texascavers] Tiny caving vehicles

[Mike Flannigan]

Some people say that it is not worth using LPG instead
of gasoline in the US, even if the conversion cost
is zero.  Personally I don't have any experience with it.
It is probably true that the economics of using C3 are
more beneficial in countries outside the USA.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190401110813/https://gas2.org/2013/07/09/5-reasons-to-not-convert-your-car-to-propane/

http://www.fuel-saver.org/Thread-Propane-Vs-Gasoline-Fuel-Efficiency


Mike


On 6/9/2019 11:00 AM, texascavers-requ...@texascavers.com wrote:

Convert your Sequoia to LPG, not sure what the price or availability of lpg
is in Texas but here is about one third of the cost of gasoline and you can
find it pretty much anywhere, the conversion pays for itself the more you
drive, and perhaps you may even  get a tax cut or some sort of fiscal
stimulus for going green,



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