Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Mimi Jasek]

Besides no masks, not a pair of gloves in sight either. You wonder if they all 
go immediately to wash their hands per guidelines as we the masses are told to 
do?

But wait, I did see The Pelosi wearing a designer scarf over her face on the 
way into the last stimulus vote meeting! The kind we are told is useless. But 
it coordinated with her outfit!

Seriously, though, I can see none of those people going to the store for 
groceries or medicine, or worrying about running out of toilet paper etc. So, 
in their world, I guess our precautions are not necessary? Wonder if it would 
make a difference if one of them became infected or died from the virus?

Me, I will take no chances with my life or that of my husband. Discomfort or 
not. Masks, gloves, sanitizers - bring it!

Mimi Jasek

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> On Apr 25, 2020, at 11:28 PM, Carol Belski  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else noticed that all of those involved in the “press conferences” 
> (aka campaign rallies) go up to the podium and immediately put both hands on 
> the sides of the podium?  They might as well be shaking and/or holding hands. 
>  And yeah, no masks in sight.
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 4:35 PM, Dwight Deal  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask. 
>> 
>> 
>> I have not seen this ruler in person when he sent the comment, so I cannot 
>> comment.  Other than he is an A---s H---e if he does not wear a mask.  
>> Perhaps that is only so they can speak clearly?
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Bill Stephens]

Give me a break.I haven't seen any politicians or media journalists, pick your 
favorite channel or political party, wearing masks. Why are good people 
obsessed with who wears a mask on their television? Are we trying to make a 
political statement or can we remain above the BS and keep this format oriented 
towards our common cause?
Cheers, beers and, hopefully soon, caving Bill
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  On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:29 PM, Carol Belski wrote: 
  Has anyone else noticed that all of those involved in the “press conferences” 
(aka campaign rallies) go up to the podium and immediately put both hands on 
the sides of the podium?  They might as well be shaking and/or holding hands.  
And yeah, no masks in sight.

> On Apr 25, 2020, at 4:35 PM, Dwight Deal  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask. 
> 
> 
> I have not seen this ruler in person when he sent the comment, so I cannot 
> comment.  Other than he is an A---s H---e if he does not wear a mask.  
> Perhaps that is only so they can speak clearly?
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Carol Belski]

Has anyone else noticed that all of those involved in the “press conferences” 
(aka campaign rallies) go up to the podium and immediately put both hands on 
the sides of the podium?  They might as well be shaking and/or holding hands.  
And yeah, no masks in sight.

> On Apr 25, 2020, at 4:35 PM, Dwight Deal  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask. 
> 
> 
> I have not seen this ruler in person when he sent the comment, so I cannot 
> comment.  Other than he is an A---s H---e if he does not wear a mask.  
> Perhaps that is only so they can speak clearly?
> D
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Charles Loving]

Xi wears a mask. Hmmm.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 5:35 PM Dwight Deal  wrote:

>
>
> > its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask.
>
>
> I have not seen this ruler in person when he sent the comment, so I cannot
> comment.  Other than he is an A---s H---e if he does not wear a mask.
> Perhaps that is only so they can speak clearly?
> D
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Katherine Arens]

“Speak clearly?!!”  That’s an epic fail . . .

On Apr 25, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Dwight Deal 
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its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask.


I have not seen this ruler in person when he sent the comment, so I cannot 
comment.  Other than he is an A---s H---e if he does not wear a mask.  Perhaps 
that is only so they can speak clearly?
D
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Dwight Deal]

> its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask. 


I have not seen this ruler in person when he sent the comment, so I cannot 
comment.  Other than he is an A---s H---e if he does not wear a mask.  Perhaps 
that is only so they can speak clearly?
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Nancy Weaver]

its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask.  press conferences, 
celebs, politicians.  no masks ever.
guess that proves my contention that they are not in fact human.
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings

[Mark]

Even at 72 I can usually handle the Texas heat as long as I have some air 
movement and lots of water. But there is something about being muzzled with a 
face mask that makes the heat less bearable for me. Perhaps I’m part dog and 
need to pant to stay cool! Thanks for your take on this!
Mark
From: Lindsey Adamoski 
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 12:00 PM
To: Texas Cavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings

What is to keep someone from wearing a face mask in 80+ temps? I've worn heavy, 
HEPA filter face masks while mountain biking when it's 100 degrees outside due 
to my asthma and allergies. Sure, it's uncomfortable, but to me it's worth it 
to be outside. This is like saying you can't cave in the summer. It's just how 
much heat you're willing to bear! 

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:54 PM Mark  wrote:

  I’ve received 2 or 3 notices in the last couple of days about the state parks 
re-opening. All of them indicate that “To help keep parks safe during the 
pandemic, visitors must bring and wear face coverings, keep a six-foot distance 
from those outside their group and avoid gathering in groups larger than five 
people.”  This would  indicate that face masks must even be worn on the trails! 
If this is correct, when temps head back into the 80’s plus, they have 
effectively closed the parks again. Has anyone verified this with TPWD?


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[Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Dwight Deal]

Official word from on high, from a P&W high muckey-muck who happens to be a 
friend.

DirtDoc

Brief and accurate summary:

day use only.  no camping or overnight use, no groups larger than 6  all mask 
all of the time.
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings

[Heather Tucek]

Even before the parks closed, (and partially WHY the parks closed), people
weren't following the social distancing and gathering in numbers rules. I
personally saw groups wy larger than 10, all hanging out together much
closer than 6ft. People don't follow the rules, and many parks don't have
the manpower to enforce the original park rules, much less brand new ones
that require constant monitoring of all the locations in the park. Many
parks are sadly understaffed as well.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 12:32, Michael Harris  wrote:

> I wonder if that is relaxed for playing in the water. I noticed some news
> photos of folks at Blanco SP that were at the water fishing and in the
> water playing. Non of which had masks let alone social distancing.
>
> Mike Harris
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:06 PM Heather Tucek  wrote:
>
>> I just checked with the park I work at.
>> Yes, facemasks are required even when hiking the trails. Yes, the park
>> understands the problem with that related to the weather. Yes, they aren't
>> looking forward to heat related rescues and people complaining at them
>> about how much it sucks.
>>
>> However, this is Governor Abbott's decision, and as short sighted as it
>> may be, they have to follow his directives.
>>
>> I'm sure as issues start to arise, there will be exceptions made, but it
>> may be a reactionary decision on his part, so we just have to follow the
>> rules, and wait.
>>
>> -Heather Tucek
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 23:54, Mark  wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve received 2 or 3 notices in the last couple of days about the state
>>> parks re-opening. All of them indicate that “*To help keep parks safe
>>> during the pandemic, visitors must bring and wear face coverings, keep a
>>> six-foot distance from those outside their group and avoid gathering in
>>> groups larger than five people*.”  This would  indicate that face masks
>>> must even be worn on the trails! If this is correct, when temps head back
>>> into the 80’s plus, they have effectively closed the parks again. Has
>>> anyone verified this with TPWD?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings

[Michael Harris]

I wonder if that is relaxed for playing in the water. I noticed some news
photos of folks at Blanco SP that were at the water fishing and in the
water playing. Non of which had masks let alone social distancing.

Mike Harris

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:06 PM Heather Tucek  wrote:

> I just checked with the park I work at.
> Yes, facemasks are required even when hiking the trails. Yes, the park
> understands the problem with that related to the weather. Yes, they aren't
> looking forward to heat related rescues and people complaining at them
> about how much it sucks.
>
> However, this is Governor Abbott's decision, and as short sighted as it
> may be, they have to follow his directives.
>
> I'm sure as issues start to arise, there will be exceptions made, but it
> may be a reactionary decision on his part, so we just have to follow the
> rules, and wait.
>
> -Heather Tucek
>
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 23:54, Mark  wrote:
>
>> I’ve received 2 or 3 notices in the last couple of days about the state
>> parks re-opening. All of them indicate that “*To help keep parks safe
>> during the pandemic, visitors must bring and wear face coverings, keep a
>> six-foot distance from those outside their group and avoid gathering in
>> groups larger than five people*.”  This would  indicate that face masks
>> must even be worn on the trails! If this is correct, when temps head back
>> into the 80’s plus, they have effectively closed the parks again. Has
>> anyone verified this with TPWD?
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings

[Heather Tucek]

I just checked with the park I work at.
Yes, facemasks are required even when hiking the trails. Yes, the park
understands the problem with that related to the weather. Yes, they aren't
looking forward to heat related rescues and people complaining at them
about how much it sucks.

However, this is Governor Abbott's decision, and as short sighted as it may
be, they have to follow his directives.

I'm sure as issues start to arise, there will be exceptions made, but it
may be a reactionary decision on his part, so we just have to follow the
rules, and wait.

-Heather Tucek


On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 23:54, Mark  wrote:

> I’ve received 2 or 3 notices in the last couple of days about the state
> parks re-opening. All of them indicate that “*To help keep parks safe
> during the pandemic, visitors must bring and wear face coverings, keep a
> six-foot distance from those outside their group and avoid gathering in
> groups larger than five people*.”  This would  indicate that face masks
> must even be worn on the trails! If this is correct, when temps head back
> into the 80’s plus, they have effectively closed the parks again. Has
> anyone verified this with TPWD?
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings

[Lindsey Adamoski]

What is to keep someone from wearing a face mask in 80+ temps? I've worn
heavy, HEPA filter face masks while mountain biking when it's 100 degrees
outside due to my asthma and allergies. Sure, it's uncomfortable, but to me
it's worth it to be outside. This is like saying you can't cave in the
summer. It's just how much heat you're willing to bear!

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:54 PM Mark  wrote:

> I’ve received 2 or 3 notices in the last couple of days about the state
> parks re-opening. All of them indicate that “*To help keep parks safe
> during the pandemic, visitors must bring and wear face coverings, keep a
> six-foot distance from those outside their group and avoid gathering in
> groups larger than five people*.”  This would  indicate that face masks
> must even be worn on the trails! If this is correct, when temps head back
> into the 80’s plus, they have effectively closed the parks again. Has
> anyone verified this with TPWD?
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question

[Chris Vreeland]

There’s something about the subtext of “What the hell am I doing here?” that 
delights me. Love it. 

How many times have all asked ourselves that question in some god forsaken 
crawlway or keyhole, or lost in a field with 30-year-old notes referencing 
landmarks that no longer exist?  Yet still we do persist, despite our dismay.

It’s caver existentialism in a nutshell.

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Carl Kunath  wrote:
> 
> 
> Chris:
> Is it still your favorite photo despite not being Helmer?
> ===ck
>  
> From: Chris Vreeland
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:06 PM
> To: Chris Vreeland
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question
>  
> Oh hell, I just got out my book & the photo is of Jack Smith, page 504 of 50 
> Years of Texas Caving - not Helmer.
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Chris Vreeland  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Kunath’s photo of Helmer titled “May Nothing You Dismay” is probably my 
>> favorite caving photo ever taken.
>> 
>>  
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