[Texascavers] a notice that some of you might have missed.

[Katherine Arens]

I was looking for Jan Conn’s CD, and Dwight Deal responded.  Time to take care 
of one of the early goddesses.  See attached note, for those of you who don’t 
read NSS News.  Jan seems to be well, despite losing her house, but tell her 
some stories, please.  Address below.
katie

Begin forwarded message:

From: Dwight Deal mailto:dirt...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Copyright payment
Date: April 28, 2021 at 6:52:23 PM CDT
To: "ar...@austin.utexas.edu" 
mailto:ar...@austin.utexas.edu>>

Katie:

You probably have learned of the Conn Cave burning down.  Attached is a 
description of Jan’s situation that I circulated, if you have not seen it.  You 
are welcome to disperse it as far and wide as possible..


Your payment for enjoying her music is to WRITE TO HER AT

Jan Conn

24878 Rocky Road

Custer, SD 57730



And tell her how very much you have/are enjoying her musical explanations of 
what cave exploring is all about.



Please.

Dwight



Katherine Arens, ProfessorPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu   Dept. Phone:  (512) 
471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1802 
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We meet on indigenous land and acknowledge and pay our respects to the Carrizo 
& Comecrudo, Coahuiltecan, Caddo, Tonkawa, Comanche, Lipan Apache, 
Alabama-Coushatta, Kickapoo, Tigua Pueblo, and all the American Indian and 
Indigenous Peoples and communities who have been or have become a part of these 
lands and territories in Texas, here on Turtle Island.











1-FINAL Jan Conn for NSS NEWS 2-19-2021.docx
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for cave near Langtry

[Karstwalker]

So might this be the cave listed in NSS Bulletin No10 as Fielder 
Canyon Cave?

 See attached description

Terry H.

On 2021-04-28 12:39, john wrote:

Hi All,

Hopefully someone can help me locate a small vertical cave north or 
northwest of Langtry. I have known of this cave for decades, but 
because of its history relative to the family, I have put off 
recording the cave (or even visiting it) until now. Most of the family 
is now dead, and with me at the end of life the location and history 
of the cave will be lost soon. I don’t think it is mentioned in the 
Caves of Val Verde County, but it should end up in the county files 
for both caves and archeology for future reference and history.


It is a small vertical pit with supposedly a small opening entrance 
and ample interior space. I have no idea if it has vertical walls or 
bells out. It should be fairly close to the old Walter Babb ranch 
headquarters, which I assume was his small ranchhouse, shed, and 
normal old-style pens. Since I have never been to the cave, I don’t 
know its exact location, but it was rumored to be a vertical pit 
relatively near the house. The cave would be similar to the vertical 
pits of Hitzfelder and Mason’s Indian Cave and nothing like Lead or 
any of the other Langtry area caves.


If anyone has any ideas or general information, you can post them to 
this list. But if you have the exact location, please respond to me 
personally at jgr...@greerservices.com 
 or text me at 307-267-2036. Many 
thanks.


Web info on Walter Babb:
Born 1877, Georgia.
Ranch between Langtry and Pandale.
Babb Ranch 8.24 miles north-northwest of Langtry.
“Both my parents went to the cave they [bank robbers] hid out in on 
the Babb Ranch between Pandale and Langtry”. [I suspect that is some 
large rockshelter down on the river and not the small vertical cave I 
am interested in.]. “Walter Babb took them [the author’s parents] 
around to some of the caves, one still had Indian artifacts inside 
[again, he is talking about occupied shelters along the river or in 
the canyon].
Cemetery in Langtry: Ike Babb 1856-1934 (probably Will and Walter’s 
father); William Lewis Babb 1876-1913 (killed in Langtry); other 
family members buried here born 1836, 1849.


[my irrelevant comment] Walter was presumably Boye Babb’s father. Boye 
lived just west of Langtry, just above Langtry Creek. We dug the 
Langtry Creek Burial Cave just below his house in 1963 or so, at the 
_same_ time that he got into a gun fight at his house and was killed, 
just after he gave us permission to go on in. [This has nothing to do 
with the cave up off of Pandale Road, just my reminiscence.]


John Greer
nss 14018



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Re: [Texascavers] Plural noun for Cavers

[Bill Stephens]

 why not a PACK of cavers?
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 01:34:26 AM MDT, Lee H. Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 Today (Wednesday) is the last day to submit to me any more suggestions 
for the Plural Noun for Cavers contest for Texas and New Mexico cavers.  
Cavers from other states reading these lists are welcome to participate 
as well, but they were not formally invited in order as to  to not 
overload me.  The Ballot will go out tomorrow.  45 entries so far!


Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] International Year of Caves and Karst event

[C Tiderman]

On May 8 there will be a day of presentations in celebration of the 
International Year of Caves and Karst. For more information and the zoom link, 
please go to https://vacaveweek.com/iyck/index.html

Carol



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[Texascavers] Question on Cave Music

[Katherine Arens]

Anyone have a copy of the “Long Crawlway” CD by Jan Conn that they’d be willing 
to duplicate or sell?
reply off list
Thanks
katie arens

Katherine Arens, ProfessorPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu   Dept. Phone:  (512) 
471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1802 
  -. .-
 _..-'()`-.._
 ./'. '||\\.(\_/) .//||` .`\.
  ./'.|'.'\\|..)O O(..|//`.`|.`\.
./'..|'.|| |\`` '`" '` ''/| ||.`|..`\.
  ./'.||'. .  .  .`||.`\.
 /'|||'.|| {   } ||.`|||`\
'.|||'.||| {   } |||.`|||.`
'.||| | |/'   ``\||`` ''||/''   `\| | |||.`
 |/' \./' `\./\!|\   /|!/\./' `\./ `\|
V  VV}' `\ /' `{V   VV
 ``  `V ' ' '
We meet on indigenous land and acknowledge and pay our respects to the Carrizo 
& Comecrudo, Coahuiltecan, Caddo, Tonkawa, Comanche, Lipan Apache, 
Alabama-Coushatta, Kickapoo, Tigua Pueblo, and all the American Indian and 
Indigenous Peoples and communities who have been or have become a part of these 
lands and territories in Texas, here on Turtle Island.









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Re: [Texascavers] International Year of Caves and Karst event

[George Veni]

Carol,

Thanks for sending this reminder. I’m only replying to the Texas and SWR lists 
since I’m not on the others (but feel free to repost this if you’d like).

It excellent to see this Virginia event announced There are 118 other upcoming 
events already listed at www.iyck2021.org and more are 
added regularly. There are also Event Results, which are events that have 
wrapped up. Many are virtual lectures and are forming a tremendous library of 
rich information on caves and karst around the world. This morning I received 
what will be the 100th completed International Year event when posted!

I encourage everyone to not just organize events but after you have finished an 
event, it is critically important to please send a short report for the Event 
Results page: http://iyck2021.org/index.php/event-results/ to the web manager’s 
address near the top of the page. Just follow the simple format, which 
shouldn’t take you more than 5 minutes to prepare and send. For “Event report” 
put in a link or links to videos of lectures, news media reports, websites, or 
send a PDF or PowerPoint with the results of the event.

This reporting of the results is important because at the end of the year we 
will compile the results of all the events into one document that everyone can 
use to demonstrate the importance of caves and karst globally. We hope it will 
help people find funding and other support for more exploration, research, and 
protection.

George


George  Veni, PhD
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)

NCKRI address (primary)
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
Office: +575-887-5517
Mobile: +210-863-5919
Fax: +575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

UIS address
Titov trg 2
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of C Tiderman
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 09:57
To: tag ; nwcav...@accessdesign.com; tex cavers 
; nm ; var ; 
Arizona ; NSS Western Region ; mar 

Subject: [Texascavers] International Year of Caves and Karst event

On May 8 there will be a day of presentations in celebration of the 
International Year of Caves and Karst. For more information and the zoom link, 
please go to https://vacaveweek.com/iyck/index.html

Carol



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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Cavers

[Jocelyn Hooper]

A Family of cavers...a Party of cavers...a Geode of cavers

Jocie

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 3:46 PM Lee H. Skinner  wrote:

> Thanks, Carol.
>
>
> We now have 37 entries.  I've attached the list here.  If the JPEG
> attachment is scrubbed from the Texas list, you can see it in the SWR list.
>
>
> Lee
>
>
> On 4/25/2021 2:23 PM, 'C Tiderman' via Southwestern Cavers of the National
> Speleological Society wrote:
>
> scientist - a query of cavers
> divers - a splash of cavers
> novices - a wonder of cavers
>
>
> Carol
>
> il.yahoo.com
> 
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[Texascavers] looking for cave near Langtry

[john]

Hi All, 

Hopefully someone can help me locate a small vertical cave north or northwest 
of Langtry. I have known of this cave for decades, but because of its history 
relative to the family, I have put off recording the cave (or even visiting it) 
until now. Most of the family is now dead, and with me at the end of life the 
location and history of the cave will be lost soon. I don’t think it is 
mentioned in the Caves of Val Verde County, but it should end up in the county 
files for both caves and archeology for future reference and history. 

It is a small vertical pit with supposedly a small opening entrance and ample 
interior space. I have no idea if it has vertical walls or bells out. It should 
be fairly close to the old Walter Babb ranch headquarters, which I assume was 
his small ranchhouse, shed, and normal old-style pens. Since I have never been 
to the cave, I don’t know its exact location, but it was rumored to be a 
vertical pit relatively near the house. The cave would be similar to the 
vertical pits of Hitzfelder and Mason’s Indian Cave and nothing like Lead or 
any of the other Langtry area caves. 

If anyone has any ideas or general information, you can post them to this list. 
But if you have the exact location, please respond to me personally at 
jgr...@greerservices.com  or text me at 
307-267-2036. Many thanks. 

Web info on Walter Babb: 
Born 1877, Georgia.
Ranch between Langtry and Pandale. 
Babb Ranch 8.24 miles north-northwest of Langtry. 
“Both my parents went to the cave they [bank robbers] hid out in on the Babb 
Ranch between Pandale and Langtry”. [I suspect that is some large rockshelter 
down on the river and not the small vertical cave I am interested in.]. “Walter 
Babb took them [the author’s parents] around to some of the caves, one still 
had Indian artifacts inside [again, he is talking about occupied shelters along 
the river or in the canyon]. 
Cemetery in Langtry: Ike Babb 1856-1934 (probably Will and Walter’s father); 
William Lewis Babb 1876-1913 (killed in Langtry); other family members buried 
here born 1836, 1849. 

[my irrelevant comment] Walter was presumably Boye Babb’s father. Boye lived 
just west of Langtry, just above Langtry Creek. We dug the Langtry Creek Burial 
Cave just below his house in 1963 or so, at the same time that he got into a 
gun fight at his house and was killed, just after he gave us permission to go 
on in. [This has nothing to do with the cave up off of Pandale Road, just my 
reminiscence.]

John Greer
nss 14018


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[Texascavers] Plural noun for Cavers

[Lee H. Skinner]

Today (Wednesday) is the last day to submit to me any more suggestions 
for the Plural Noun for Cavers contest for Texas and New Mexico cavers.  
Cavers from other states reading these lists are welcome to participate 
as well, but they were not formally invited in order as to  to not 
overload me.  The Ballot will go out tomorrow.  45 entries so far!



Lee Skinner

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