John, et. al.,
I am anti-war, but the Ukraine is suffering from war with Russia to
protect Ukraine freedom, some of which was taken in Crimea. I am strongly
anti-Russia and V. Putin - a criminal agitator who spreads lies to make his
inhumane actions justified. They are NOT justified.
I would never (did not for Afghanistan or Vietnam) support troops or
weapons going to fight wars on foreign lands. Our support for Ukraine
should be food, shelter, water, refuge, mental health counseling,
supporting safe travel routes. Our support for Ukraine cavers should be no
Russian caving or contribution to Russia's cave and karst research.
These are more than interesting times. They are critical times in
multiple ways - especially our climate. Now we have people in our own
country--where many seek only to divide us--peopele who are cruel to others
spreading lies to justify their cruelty. We need to spread Peace, more
than Hope, Love and Health whenever we can. I am an old hippie, yes. Make
love to Planet Earth (all of it, not just the caves), not war. I worry
about the loss of species habitat all over the world as with border walls
that animals cannot follow their usual migration.
Linda
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 7:37 AM John Cochran <jrco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Linda
>
> Are you suggesting that sometimes we have to send our young men to war to
> fight against men like Putin? or should we send our best wishes and
> military donations?
>
> In my adult life, this is the first time I have heard open discussion of
> nuclear war (I think it is saber rattling and very very unlikely)- that
> said, we are engaged in serious brinkmanship with Russia - and China is
> watching closely
>
> Interesting times these are
>
> John
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 20, 2022, at 11:25 PM, Linda Starr <lstarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Right on, Stan. We cannot belittle the horrible Russian invasion of
> Ukraine people and their families and the land. We must stand strongly
> against Russians as long as they follow this cruel monster Putin.
> Linda Starr
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:40 PM 'Stan Allison' via Southwestern Cavers of
> the National Speleological Society <swrcav...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear cavers,
>>
>> I was extremely disappointed in the milquetoast response of the UIS
>> leadership to the Russian invasion of Ukraine where innocent Ukrainian
>> civilians are being killed by Russians. I was even more disappointed after
>> reading the Ukrainian Speleological Society Association response to the UIS
>> Bureau Statement on the Situation in Ukraine. I'm attaching it to this
>> email or you can read it online here:
>>
>> http://speleoukraine.org/index.php/en/1162-pozitsiya-uis-shcho-do-rosijsko-ukrajinskoji-vijni-eng
>>
>> Even neutral Switzerland has taken a stand on this Russian invasion and
>> the war crimes being committed by Russia against Ukraine. Even as
>> passionate as I am about caves, I know that human life is worth more than a
>> temporary exclusion of UIS cooperation with Russian speleologists.
>>
>> When Alexander Klimchouk of Ukraine lived in Carlsbad for some time, we
>> were fortunate to spend time with him caving and hanging out on our porch
>> drinking beer and talking about caves and the political world that we live
>> in. I haven't seen Alexander for many years, but I still consider him a
>> good friend. It is my understanding that he is currently in Kiev. Rather
>> than fleeing the country he has chosen to stay and defend his country. I
>> wish him and his countrymen the best. If the worst happens to Alexander and
>> Ukraine, I hope that UIS leadership will do more than express it's "deep
>> dismay".
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Stan Allison
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 'George Veni' via Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological
>> Society <swrcav...@googlegroups.com>
>> To: New Mexico Cavers (swrcav...@googlegroups.com) <
>> swrcav...@googlegroups.com>; Texas Cavers (Texascavers@texascavers.com) <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2022 4:55 pm
>> Subject: [SWR CAVERS] Cave and karst news and announcements from NCKRI
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Below is the list of the latest news from NCKRI and our friends. The
>> detailed information is in the attached file.
>>
>> *The International Year of Caves and Karst: Keeps Getting Better*
>>
>> *Various News:*
>>
>> - *UIS Bureau Statement on the Situation in Ukraine*
>> - *Message from the Ukrainian Speleological Association*
>> - *International Show Caves Association: Newest Newsletter*
>> - *New Book From La Venta*
>> - *Two Grants for White-Nose Syndrome*
>>
>>
>> *Job Opportunities*
>>
>> - *Job Opportunity: Assistant Cave Manager, Forestville/Mystery Cave
>> State Park, Minnesota, USA*
>> - *Job Opportunity: Archaeologist, Texas, USA*
>>
>>
>> *Student and Training Opportunities:*
>>
>> - *29th International Karstological School: Update*
>>
>>
>> *Conferences and Meetings*
>>
>> - *International Congress of Speleology: Registration Deadline Soon!*
>> - *2022 White-Nose Syndrome National Meeting: USA*
>> - *List of Upcoming Cave and Karst Meetings*
>>
>>
>> Please contact the people and organizations listed in the attached file
>> for more information, and feel free to share this message with anyone who
>> may be interested.
>>
>> If you know anyone who like to join this list, simply e-mail me and I’ll
>> add you. If you have news you would like to share, please send it.
>>
>> George
>>
>> ********************
>> George Veni, PhD
>> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
>> and
>> President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
>>
>> *NCKRI address (primary)*
>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400-1+Cascades+Avenue+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Carlsbad,+New+Mexico+88220+USA+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Office:+%2B575?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400-1+Cascades+Avenue+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Carlsbad,+New+Mexico+88220+USA+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Office:+%2B575?entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400-1+Cascades+Avenue+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Carlsbad,+New+Mexico+88220+USA+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Office:+%2B575?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400-1+Cascades+Avenue+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Carlsbad,+New+Mexico+88220+USA+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Office:+%2B575?entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Office: +575
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/400-1+Cascades+Avenue+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Carlsbad,+New+Mexico+88220+USA+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Office:+%2B575?entry=gmail&source=g>
>> -887-5517
>> Mobile: +210-863-5919
>> Fax: +575-887-5523
>> gv...@nckri.org
>> www.nckri.org
>>
>> *UIS address*
>> Titov trg 2
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Titov+trg+2+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Postojna?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Titov+trg+2+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Postojna?entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Postojna
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Titov+trg+2+%0D%0A+%0D%0A%0D%0A+Postojna?entry=gmail&source=g>,
>> 6230 Slovenia
>> www.uis-speleo.org
>> www.iyck2021.org
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