Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Call TODAY to pass HB CS 4146 to protect Texas rivers and streams

[Jill Orr]

Thanks for providing the update Bill. To add to the information:
https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/home will help you find your representative.
I found mine and unfortunately, my rep for San Antonio, Steve Allison,
voted Nay. I'll be writing him. I hope all Texas Cavers (formations) will
invest the little time it tasks to protect our environment.


On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> Please act now.
>
> *From:* Annalisa Peace 
> *Date:* May 11, 2021 at 7:05:30 AM CDT
> *To:* cwilliamste...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* *Call TODAY to pass HB CS 4146 to protect Texas rivers and
> streams*
> *Reply-To:* annal...@aquiferalliance.org
>
> 
> HB CS 4146 up for 3rd vote today!
>
> If you have trouble reading this email click here.
> 
>
> Dear GEAA members and friends,
>
> After strong opposition from Texas homebuilders that threatened to gut HB
> 4146 yesterday, the bill was narrowly pass for the second vote by the Texas
> House.  We really need your help today to get this across the finish line.
>
> *Speak Up for Texas's Pristine Rivers:* *House Bill CS4146 headed for a
> final vote in the House.*
>
> *HB 4146*
> 
>  (T. King) prohibits wastewater discharge into our few remaining pristine
> rivers and creeks including the Devils, Lower Pecos, upper Nueces, Sabinal,
> Frio and Llano rivers. It does not impact development nor reduce stream
> flows; it simply ensures that the few remaining pristine stream segments in
> Texas (40 of over 10,000) remain pristine for future generations. The bill
> passed to engrossment with a very narrow margin - 72 ayes and 69 nays. It
> is set for a *third and final *vote by the Texas House of Representatives
> TODAY around 10:00 AM.
>
> *We need your help* to pass HB 4146 through the House. *Please *contact
> your Representative (and any others) today and ask them to *vote in
> support of HB 4146 *ASAP*.*
>
>- *Click Here
>
> *
>  to
>see how your Rep. and others voted in the second reading and access their
>contact info.
>- *Click Here
>
> *
>  for
>talking points.
>- *Click Here*
>
> 
>  for
>a map of the rivers that would be protected b HB 4146.
>
> Here is the vote from yesterday:
>
>
> *Focus efforts especially on *your representative and
>
>- Dewayne Burns, (512) 463-0538
>- Doc Anderson, (512) 463-0135
>- Steve Allison, (512) 463-0686
>- Trent Ashby, (512) 463-0508
>- Kyle Kacal,(512) 463-0412
>- Lyle Larson (512) 463-0646
>- Richard Raymond, (512) 463-0558
>- Four Price, (512) 463-0470
>and
>- Ed Thompson (512) 463-0707
>
> Your call today could help protect Texas rivers and streams from waste
> water pollution to preserve these treasured waterways for future
> generations.
>
> Please act immediately.
> Annalisa Peace
>
> Executive Director
> Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance
>
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> Antonio, Texas 78212*
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[Texascavers] petition to shut down taxpayer funded kitten / cat experimental lab

[Jill Orr]

Hi Everyone

This is not caving related but it's important!

The link below is for a Youtube channel where Hanna Shaw, a professional
kitten rescuer posted a short video describing what is going on in labs
performing torturous experiments on kittens and cats. She has a link to the
petition to Congress.

Please help take action by signing the petition and forwarding to helping
get others to sign.!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLQKnNBYxAc

Jill
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Re: [Texascavers] UIS 2021 Congress

[Jill Orr]

Same here but  6 weeks.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 11:12 AM Bill Steele  wrote:

> Thanks, Jill,
>
> I’m planning to go and spend a month in France.
>
> Bill Steele
> speleoste...@aol.com
>
> On Jun 16, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jill Orr  wrote:
>
> 
> https://uis2021.speleos.fr/
>
> For those who aren't signed up for notification:
> New information has just been released!
> This is exciting - I just hope the pandemic is over by then.
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[Texascavers] UIS 2021 Congress

[Jill Orr]

https://uis2021.speleos.fr/

For those who aren't signed up for notification:
New information has just been released!
This is exciting - I just hope the pandemic is over by then.
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: TCEQ Public Meeting on Honey Creek permit CANCELLED

[Jill Orr]

Hi all,
I'd like to point out that the links Bill and Annalisa Peace provided are
an excellent and easy way to show caver's support;  It took me 15 minutes
to craft and send my message.

Please take the time to support the ban and send your comments.

Thanks Bill !

Jill

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:33 PM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Annalisa Peace 
> *Date:* March 17, 2020 at 2:26:06 PM CDT
> *To:* cwilliamste...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* *TCEQ Public Meeting on Honey Creek permit CANCELLED*
> *Reply-To:* annal...@aquiferalliance.org
>
> 
>
> Dear Friends of Honey Creek,
>
> *The public meeting scheduled for March 19th has been cancelled by TCEQ.*
> I called to ask whether the deadline for comments was still on the 19th
> and was told that TCEQ rules allow for comments to be submitted until the
> date of the rescheduled meeting.  I was also told that it wouldn’t hurt for
> folks to get comments in by the 19th and include the request to submit
> additional comments at a later date.
>
> *You may submit your comments on-line
> 
> by entering WQ0015835001. Or you can mail comments to TCEQ Office of the
> Chief Clerk, MC-105, PO Box 13087, Austin, Texas 78711-3087. *
>
> You may request a contested case hearing in you comments.  To do so, you
> must include your name, address, applicants name (Silesia Properties LP)
> and Proposed Permit # WQ0015835001, the location and distance of your
> property/activities relative to the proposed facility, a specific
> description of how you would be adversely affected by the facility in a way
> not common to the general public, a list of all disputed issues of the fact
> that you submit during the comment period, and the statement “I request a
> contested case hearing”.
>
> You can see the Affected Landowner Map here
> 
> and the Groundwater Quality Report here
> .
> You can see more information here
> 
> under “Honey Creek Waste Water Permit”.  We will be posting additional
> comments from GEAA in the near future.
>
> Fundraising to cover legal costs will continue. We still need to raise
> $7,455 to secure a matching donation of $15,000.  You can donate on-line
> 
> or send us a check to: GEAA, Po Box 15618, San Antonio, Texas 78212.  Be
> sure to note that the donation is for Honey Creek.
>
> We will let you know when the TCEQ Public Meeting is rescheduled.  So,
> stay tuned. If we can muster a great turnout and secure the same caliber of
> impressive comments opposing this new permit at the next Public Meeting, I
> believe we have a fighting chance at securing meaningful permanent
> protections for Honey Creek.
>
> Please forward this message to all who might be interested in protecting a
> Texas treasure.
>
> Thank you and, stay safe and healthy!
>
> Annalisa Peace
>
> Executive Director
> Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance
>
> *You can keep up with the latest news and post on the Save Honey Creek
> Facebook Page
> *
>
> *You can always keep up with interesting water news on * *GEAA's Face
> Book page *
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Re: [Texascavers] Please help Honey Creek Cave...

[Jill Orr]

HI Kurt, I've proposed to the LNU (Ladies Night Under) group that we make
it an outing...!

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:14 PM Kurt Menking  wrote:

> As many of you know a development is planned at the top of the Honey Creek
> watershed. They plan to drip / inject up to 360,000 gallons per day of
> treated wastewater into the karst terrain above the nearby Honey Creek
> Cave. Their goal is to build 1800 homes which would also create an enormous
> amount of storm runoff which would carry many contaminants including much
> of their drip wastewater into Honey Creek and ultimately the Guadalupe
> river. This would seriously impact TPWD conservation lands and the
> Guadalupe State Park.
>
> The owner of Honey Creek Cave is mortified by this issue.  She is hopefull
> that the cavers who have enjoyed HC Cave in the past, will show up March 19
> to show and voice there concern over this issue.
>
> If 50 people show up to this meeting, TCEQ will approve the permit and
> we'll all have to live with the consequences.  If 300 people show up and or
> comment, TCEQ will spend months dealing with responses, and other red tape.
> That would also prompt the developer to back off his density and negotiate
> with the opposition.
>
> If you can't make the meeting, then please make written comments to TCEQ.
>
> Details on meeting, and TCEQ comments are below:
>
> The TCEQ public meeting for the Texas Land Application (TLAP) Permit for
> Honey Creek Ranch (Proposed Permit Number WQ0015835001) is scheduled
> for March 19th at 7:pm at Rahee Bulverde Elementary School, 1715 East
> Ammann Road, Bulverde, Texas.  Our baseline water quality studies of Honey
> Creek indicate that this is probably one of the cleanest natural streams in
> the whole state of Texas.  Given that the state has invested substantially
> in the Honey Creek State Natural Area to preserve this treasure, as well as
> in the Guadalupe State Park - the popular water recreational area
> immediately downstream, we feel that the risk of both waste water and
> stormwater pollution from a high density subdivision is something we should
> make every effort to mitigate. March 19th will be the last day to submit
> comments on this project. You may submit your comments on-line
> 
>  by
> entering WQ0015835001. Or you can mail comments to TCEQ Office of the Chief
> Clerk, MC-105, PO Box 13087, Austin, Texas 78711-3087 - or in person during
> the comment period that follows the Question and Answer session on March
> 19. For more information click here
> 
>  and
> scroll down to Honey Creek.
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[Texascavers] WNS article in Laboratory Equipment magazine

[Jill Orr]

Hi all, I thought I would pass this along. A former colleague sent the link
to me as I used to advertise in this publication.

https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/560964-Genetic-Study-Bats-May-Finally-Be-Able-to-Fight-Off-White-Nose-Syndrome/
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Re: [Texascavers] misadventure

[Jill Orr]

I looked into Megabus as an option for getting to Mallory's wedding. When I
looked, a couple of months before the wedding date, I could have gotten to
Baton Rouge for $2 !  There was one bus change in Houston and the entire
trip would have taken 9 hours overnight. I opted to fly instead, but it
just goes to show that a little planning a few months ahead will eliminate
a lot of stress, expense, and lost time. You can buy your tickets well in
advance while those cheap seats are available, and if you don't use them,
you are only out the few bucks.

If David chooses to use Megabus in the future, some of us might be the
losers - for he could only write that the trip was uneventful and he got a
good night's sleep. That would also make some of us very happy!
Happy travels David.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:32 PM Mallory  wrote:

> I love MegaBus! I’ve never gotten a ticket for anything close to $1 but
> I’ve ridden it from Houston to Baton Rouge and back a couple of times. It’s
> also very popular for kids who want to visit New Orleans and get absolutely
> hammered. Mega Bus saves money because they don’t have brick-and-mortar bus
> stations, but do pickups and drop offs in parking lots, etc. The New
> Orleans stop is in the French Quarter. Come down for a couple of days,
> drink yourself silly and lose your mind, and get back on the bus and sleep
> all the way home. (A few years ago I met some Texas kids at a Mardi Gras
> parade who were taking this course of action.) The buses offer WiFi -
> although it doesn’t always work - and charging stations to plug in between
> every seat. David, if you’re still stranded up there, look online and see
> if a Mega Bus  is around! You can plug your phone in and blast out emails
> the whole way home.
>
> Mallory
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 20, 2019, at 2:16 PM, Jill Orr  wrote:
>
> Mega Bus serving over 100 cities on the US: https://us.megabus.com/  with
> Bus tickets for as low as $1.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:30 PM David  wrote:
>
>> Wednesday night, 11 p.m.
>>
>> I am in a nice clean motel on the south side of the east Texas town of
>> Carthage.   I would have made it to Tenaha, had I not been such a w*ssie.
>>
>> I got a large dose of Americana today, as I was not able to find a single
>> Craigslist ride.   I learned Sunni Muslims believe Adam had 10,000
>> children.  They allegedly want to  every Shite.My first ride out of
>> Cookeville was an old man who scared the cr*p out of me.  He was me from
>> the future, 2030,  appearing as some sort of bizarre apparition, like that
>> song about Hank Williams in the Cadillac.  It felt like a horse kicking me
>> in the gut.  He had done a lot of spelunking in his youth, but no organized
>> caving. ( Cedar Creek Cave ?  in East Tennessee )
>>
>> Oztotl or one of the recently deceased cavers or both must have looked
>> out for me.  The old guy was willing to drop me off at my aunt"s door in
>> Hot Springs.   But I decided to press on and visit her another time.
>> Unfortunately, it all went downhill from there.   It took me 8 hours to get
>> from there to this motel.  I wasted another hour after that, but it became
>> futile to press on.
>>
>> So far to date, this trip has cost me roughly $ 442.  But I lost about $
>> 300 in work so far.
>>
>> I am still about 8 hours from home, if I had a straight shot.
>>
>> D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] misadventure

[Jill Orr]

Mega Bus serving over 100 cities on the US: https://us.megabus.com/  with
Bus tickets for as low as $1.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:30 PM David  wrote:

> Wednesday night, 11 p.m.
>
> I am in a nice clean motel on the south side of the east Texas town of
> Carthage.   I would have made it to Tenaha, had I not been such a w*ssie.
>
> I got a large dose of Americana today, as I was not able to find a single
> Craigslist ride.   I learned Sunni Muslims believe Adam had 10,000
> children.  They allegedly want to  every Shite.My first ride out of
> Cookeville was an old man who scared the cr*p out of me.  He was me from
> the future, 2030,  appearing as some sort of bizarre apparition, like that
> song about Hank Williams in the Cadillac.  It felt like a horse kicking me
> in the gut.  He had done a lot of spelunking in his youth, but no organized
> caving. ( Cedar Creek Cave ?  in East Tennessee )
>
> Oztotl or one of the recently deceased cavers or both must have looked out
> for me.  The old guy was willing to drop me off at my aunt"s door in Hot
> Springs.   But I decided to press on and visit her another time.
> Unfortunately, it all went downhill from there.   It took me 8 hours to get
> from there to this motel.  I wasted another hour after that, but it became
> futile to press on.
>
> So far to date, this trip has cost me roughly $ 442.  But I lost about $
> 300 in work so far.
>
> I am still about 8 hours from home, if I had a straight shot.
>
> D.L.
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[Texascavers] washer/dryer/e range

[Jill Orr]

Is anyone interested in these used, but really good condition appliances? I
just moved and they came with the house but I have my own W/D and don't
like coil stoves. The washer & dryer are front load Maytags, and the range
is a 30 inch Whirlpool. All are white and electric.
All three for $150. (which is basically covers the cost of delivery for new
range and hauling the existing. Contact me off line if interested and for
photos and questions.

Jill
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Re: [Texascavers] 2108 TSA Convention Photos and Maps!

[Jill Orr]

yes three is good.

maybe Ellie, & Joey Schertal

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Marvin and Lisa <mlmil...@gvtc.com> wrote:

> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Any suggestions for others? I have some but give me some names if you have
> them. I think 3 judges is a good number?
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Jill Orr
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:13 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2108 TSA Convention Photos and Maps!
>
>
>
> HI Marvin, i'd be happy to help judge this year.
>
> Jill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Marvin and Lisa <mlmil...@gvtc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Cavers,
>
>
>
> I will be organizing the photo and map salons at this year’s convention,
> coming up on the 24th of March. The entries will be judged and awards
> will be distributed. So print the best of your photos and finish getting
> your maps drafted. Links to entry rules and judging criteria can be found
> on the 2018 TSA Convention web site: https://www.cavetexas.org/
> events/TSASC/tsasc2018/.
>
>
>
> Photographers, please note: The salon this year will be print only. There
> are also no plans to display the entries in a slide show. Therefore, just
> bring your prints mounted as instructed and don’t bother with getting a
> digital file to anyone.
>
>
>
> For both salons please be sure to print out and submit an entry form with
> each entry.
>
>
>
> If anyone out there is not submitting an entry but would be interested in
> being a judge, please contact me. (I will expect judges to have some
> experience with the medium of their choice.)
>
>
>
> Thank you, and I am looking forward to a great convention!
>
>
>
> Marvin Miller
>
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Re: [Texascavers] 2108 TSA Convention Photos and Maps!

[Jill Orr]

HI Marvin, i'd be happy to help judge this year.
Jill

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Marvin and Lisa  wrote:

> Cavers,
>
>
>
> I will be organizing the photo and map salons at this year’s convention,
> coming up on the 24th of March. The entries will be judged and awards
> will be distributed. So print the best of your photos and finish getting
> your maps drafted. Links to entry rules and judging criteria can be found
> on the 2018 TSA Convention web site: https://www.cavetexas.org/
> events/TSASC/tsasc2018/.
>
>
>
> Photographers, please note: The salon this year will be print only. There
> are also no plans to display the entries in a slide show. Therefore, just
> bring your prints mounted as instructed and don’t bother with getting a
> digital file to anyone.
>
>
>
> For both salons please be sure to print out and submit an entry form with
> each entry.
>
>
>
> If anyone out there is not submitting an entry but would be interested in
> being a judge, please contact me. (I will expect judges to have some
> experience with the medium of their choice.)
>
>
>
> Thank you, and I am looking forward to a great convention!
>
>
>
> Marvin Miller
>
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[Texascavers] photo of ezell's cave

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The TCMA is working on a set of kiosks for Deep and Punkin' preserve and
one kiosk will have a section on major TCMA preserves. For this we need a
high res photo from Ezell's. The photo has to be 300 dpi and qood quality,
and can be of the blind salamander, the aquifer, or an interesting feature.
Please contact me off line if you have a photo and are willing to submit it.

Thanks in advance, Jill
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Re: [Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation Friday, June 16 at 11:30 am 3D Mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole - A view of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge Feature from the Inside.

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

dont forget the NSS advert !  :O

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

>
> Folks,
>
> Note that the date has changed from Thursday, June 15 at 11:55 am to
> Friday, June 16 at 11:30 am.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geary
>
> Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
> aka brown bag luncheon
>
> Friday, June 16, 2017 at 11:30 AM
>
> 3D Mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole,
> A View of an Edwards Aquifer Recharge Feature from the Inside
>
>
> By Benjamin von Cramon
> and
> Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
> At
>
> Edwards Aquifer Authority
> Training Room
> 900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215
>
>
> Mr. Benjamin von Cramon and Mr. Geary Schindel will make a presentation on
> "3D mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole, A View of an Edwards Aquifer
> Recharge Feature from the Inside." The presentation will occur on Friday,
> June 16, 2017 from 11:30 AM in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer
> Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal
> presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact
> the EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org www.edwardsaquifer.org/> for additional directions.
>
> If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that
> you call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that
> the talk is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel
> or move the talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
>
> Abstract
> We will present the results of a pilot program to test the feasibility of
> using 3D photoreal mapping of the Seco Creek Sinkhole located in Medina
> County, Texas. This presentation will introduce the audience to 3D film and
> photo techniques utilizing cutting edge technology. The 3D model has
> multiple uses including an educational model of recharge features, cave
> geology and hydrology, and also allows tracking and measurement of sediment
> transport. The Seco Creek (Valdina Farm) Sinkhole is an important recharge
> site in the Edwards Aquifer. The cave is composed of a 150-foot-deep
> natural shaft that leads to approximately 1,000 feet of cave. During heavy
> rains, the cave shaft will fill to the top with rushing water.
>
> The 3D photoreal model offers the opportunity to view the Seco Creek
> Sinkhole without getting dirty or exposed to the vertical drops. It allows
> for detailed analysis of the cave and model can be easily operated with a
> game controller.
>
> Biography
> Benjamin von Cramon, film maker - His body of work defies clean titles and
> easy categories. In 25 years of writing, shooting, and editing for
> broadcast, institutional, and private industry, von Cramon recalibrates
> between wildly disparate projects, from documentaries filmed in prisons to
> stories in Fourth World homesteads to intensely visceral adventure docs
> deep underground. The auteur is as comfortable developing content around
> issues of great social import as he is problem-solving advanced
> technologies used to innovate the art of story-telling.
>
> A Fellow of the National Speleological Society and The Explorers Club, a
> qualified stereo rig tech for Element Technica, and a developer for
> Autodesk Labs, Reality Capture Group, the arc of his dynamic career
> reflects a sustained effort to elevate the latest technologies in their
> usefulness to education for highly visual learning experiences. Each of von
> Cramon's projects are informed by broad humanities education, grounded in
> highly physical experiences, and are inspired by unbound curiosity and
> tempered hope for the human condition.
>
> Geary Schindel is the Chief Technical Officer of the Edwards Aquifer
> Authority. He has been a caver for more than 40 years and is the President
> Elect of the National Speleological Society (NSS). Geary is a fellow of the
> NSS and the Geological Society of America. He holds a BS degree from West
> Virginia University and an MS from Western Kentucky University.
> Thank you.
>
> Geary
>
>
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[Texascavers] sorry

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

To all of you who wrote supportive emails I'm sorry if that last email
sounded disrespectful to you - it was obviously meant for only one person,
and I appreciate all the supportive and constructive criticism in emails
that I did read.
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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Assistance number for Bexar County

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

i am so relieved the clamor has died down about the caver.. it got so that
it didnt matter  - Texas Caver - Delete..I just arrived in pompeii. Here
for a month

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> The outdated-ness of this list was addressed at the meeting at TCR. I'm
> talking with a local caver/firefighter about being the safety chair, and
> updating that list.
> I do know that John Kreidler does not want to be a contact anymore, and
> that DJ Walker is indeed still the South Central Regional Coordinator for
> the NCRC.
>
> -h
>
> > On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I've check the TSA web page and the Texas Caver related to the call
> number to request Caver Assistance.
> >
> > I volunteered a number of years ago to have my cell phone listed for
> cave assistance. I checked them today and here is what I found.
> >
> > The number listed on the Texas Speleological Association web page is
> >
> > 210.865.1576
> >
> > Number from the Texas Caver is
> >
> > 210.865.2061 Texas Caver
> >
> > My actual number is:
> > 210.326.1576 cell
> >
> > It is close to the TSA number but probably won't get any help there.
> >
> > I've called both the TSA and the Texas Caver numbers to see if there was
> a caver associated with them and there was not.
> >
> > I would recommend that these numbers be changed to 210.326.1576 (unless
> someone else wants to do this).
> >
> > I would also recommend that the names associated with each number be
> listed on the web page and Texas Caver.
> >
> > It would probably be worthwhile to check the numbers for the other
> counties to see if they are up to date and figure out who they go to.
> >
> > In addition, the NCRC names and numbers appear to be out of date.
> >
> > Anmar Mirsz is still the NCRC National Coordinator and not John Punches
> (John is the training officer)
> >
> > Also, the NCRC web page has DJ Walker listed as the South Central Region
> Coordinator.
> >
> > I'm not sure if the Kreidler Funeral Home is still volunteering to be
> part of the cave rescue system.
> >
> > I think it's time to update this system.
> >
> > Geary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/signature/images/eaa_20-
> years_logo.jpg.gif][http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/signature/images/EAA-
> Signature_02.gif]
> >
> > [http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/signature/images/EAA-Signature_03.gif]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Geary Schindel, P.G.
> > Chief Technical Officer/Director - Aquifer Science
> >
> >
> >
> > 900 E. Quincy | San Antonio, TX 78215
> > tel: 210-222-2204, ext. 346
> >
> >
> >
> > gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
> > www.edwardsaquifer.org
> >
> >
> >
> > [http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/signature/images/eaa_facebook.gif]<
> https://www.facebook.com/edwards.aquifer.education/?sk=wall>[http://
> www.edwardsaquifer.org/signature/images/eaa_twitter.gif]<
> http://twitter.com/EdwardsAquifer>
> >
> > [http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/signature/images/EAA-Signature_07.gif]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [Texascavers] speleo-statistics, mortgages, etc.

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Great idea David! how about you writing it?

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 12:52 AM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> A creative caver could devote a whole Texas Caver issue with
> interesting articles
> on the subject matter of statistics associated with caving, and the NSS
> and mortgage tips for cavers.
>
>
> I would be interested how many cavers use Linux as their primary
> computer system.   ( This message is coming to you via the Chromium
> browser on a Linux Mint only computer. )
>
>
> How many cavers have a mortgage, paid off a mortgage, foreclosed,
> etc. ?My estranged wife and I purchased a Pulte Home in 2003 even
> though we were not getting along, and bought a house above our means,
> because the other options were even more above our means.   Actually,
> she bought the house, and I was mostly coerced into agreeing, as my
> other options seemed worse at the time. All I can say is we really got
> in way over our heads at first.That was 13 years ago, and we still
> have not
> paid off but about 1/3 of the loan.   It really really sucks to look
> at the bill each
> month and see $ 1,000 go to non-principal items, and $ 100 go to the
> principal.
> Does that beat renting ??  I do not think so. Anyways, we want to
> pay more, but some crap
> always comes up unexpectedly each month.I doubt I will live long
> enough to see the
> note paid off, but I feel confident that we can at least leave our kid
> something
> to use or sell.  ( Our kid loves the house and has lived in it since
> she was born nearly
> 12 years ago ).   We have a nice back yard and if I really
> wanted to go camping it would be most practical to just do it in the back
> yard.
>
>
> I like the NSS Headquarters, and hope to go to another big event there
> someday. The sooner the mortgage is paid off, the better in the long
> run.
> But that is making a huge assumption that in 50 years, the NSS is
> still a viable
> organization that needs such a facility, or that cavers in 2066, will care
> they
> have such a historic property.  My bet is they will tear it down
> and and take
> out another loan to build something with an Angry Birds theme.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] DeepKarst 2016: new field trips!

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

HI George, I'm sorry I never got back to you about the web. I wrote to Geary
Schinel and he said he would look at it, but never got back to me, and I
forgot to get back to him. is the page  slaughter canyon page ok now? I'll
be back in Texas in two weeks. 

 

Jill Orr

210.399.6762

 

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
George Veni via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:50 AM
To: New Mexico Cavers (swrcav...@googlegroups.com); New Mexico Cavers
(s...@caver.net); Texas Cavers (Texascavers@texascavers.com)
Subject: [Texascavers] DeepKarst 2016: new field trips!

 

Dear Friends,

 

The DeepKarst 2016 conference now includes a wide range of optional field
trips to further view, discuss, and debate hypogene karst. The Guadalupe
Mountains of southeast New Mexico and west Texas are considered one of the
type areas of hypogene karst development, and up to nine additional field
trips will now be offered both before and after the conference, which will
be held at NCKRI Headquarters in Carlsbad, New Mexico, USA, on 11-14 April
2016. The conference is co-organized with the Karst Hydrogeology and
Speleogenesis Commission of the International Union of Speleology.

 

But to serve you best, we need your help. With so many possible trip
options, we need to know which are of greatest interest. Please visit
http://deepkarst.org/optional-trips.html for information about the options
and then complete the PDF form at
http://deepkarst.org/assets/extratripsform.pdf by the end of January so we
can determine which trips and how many to offer.

 

While on the website, don't forget to register for the conference!
Registration prices go up in about a month. We have an excellent array of
international papers that you'll enjoy. We'll post the session schedule with
the list of papers as soon they are wrapped up.

 

Let me know if you have any questions, and feel free to share this message
with anyone who may be interested.

 

George

 



George Veni, PhD

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-9215 USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org

www.nckri.org

 

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[Texascavers] texas caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Sorry for this very late request for articles, but I've been travelling for
over a month. Please send articles of any length or  photo expos  for the
next issue of the texas caver by the end of next week.  Thanks for your
patience and support!

 

Jill Orr

210.399.6762

 

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The Texas Caver needs articles and photos for the September issue. Lots of
interesting projects are going on and we'd like to include them.

 

NSS convention

After caving eateries

Projects in Mexico and around Texas 

 

Thanks everyone!

 

 

jill orr 

graphic design

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The newest edition of the Texas Caver is online

 

 

jill orr 

graphic design

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[Texascavers] FW: Untouched cave in South Dakota to provide clues to history | FOX Business

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Subject: Untouched cave in South Dakota to provide clues to history | FOX 
Business

 

The National Park Service is beginning to excavate the mouth of an unexplored 
cave in the Black Hills of South Dakota, and researchers believe it could help 
broaden our understanding of how the region's climate has changed over 
thousands of years.

http://fxn.ws/1QfHNek

 

 

 

 

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[Texascavers] texas caver articles

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Hi Everyone, 

 

The TC  is in urgent and desperate need of articles for the next issue.

All of the regular contributors are too busy for this issue - so if you've
been thinking of submitting an article, never written an article, or have a
project to update us on  - now is the time to do it!!  

 

Thanks in advance! 

 

 

jill orr 

graphic design

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[Texascavers] TSA magazine

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The current issue of the TSA magazine is available online. Issues were
passed out at the TSA convention this past weekend and those not attending
will be mailed or passed out at your grotto meeting if you regularly attend.

 

 

jill orr 

graphic design

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[Texascavers] TC next issue

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

I'm accepting articles for the next Texas Caver. The deadline is Feb 15

 

-  Submissions needed!

 

Thanks!

 

 

jill orr 

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!

 

 

jill orr 

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[Texascavers] paging Allan Cobb

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Allan, contact me off-line please.

 

 

jill orr 

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Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek Cave lead list

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Thank you George, I'll update the online version with the corrections.

 

 

jill orr 

210.399.6762

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
George Veni via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 20:08
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honey Creek Cave lead list

 

I just looked through the digital version of the latest Texas Caver. My lead
list for Honey Creek Cave fills the last few pages. However, I noticed a
mistake. A note was added to contact me with any new information but it
lists my old e-mail address (which hasn't worked since I moved from San
Antonio nearly 8 years ago) and a 505 area code for my home phone in
Carlsbad (which a few years ago changed to 575 for the southern half of New
Mexico). 

 

In short, if you have any updates for the lead list or any questions about
the specific leads, let me know. My correct e-mail address and other contact
information are below. Notice that my mobile number is still a San Antonio
area code.

 

George

 



George Veni, Ph.D.

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org

www.nckri.org

 

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The Texas Caver online issue is up.

 

And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA
webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven't gotten around to downloading a
digital book ap, I'm depending on readers with the capability for feedback. 

Thanks!

 

 

jill orr 

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver article reminder!

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Hi Chris, please send the article off line to my email at jill...@swbell.net
Thanks!
 
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-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Chris Vreeland via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 23:54
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver article reminder!

I have a govt canyon trip report finished, with photos. I need to give the 
photos a look-over tonight, but if you haven't seen it by tomorrow night, bug 
me because it's essentially done.

 On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Mallory via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Happy Wednesday everyone! 
 
 This is just a reminder to everyone that articles for the next edition of the 
 Texas Caver are due this Friday, August the 15th! Please get your articles in 
 to Jill or myself by then in order to see yourself in print and preserve the 
 awesomeness that is your caving trip by making in part of documented Texas 
 Caving History!
 
 Mallory Mayeux
 Assistant article gatherer
 mmay...@gmail.com
 
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Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

You are absolutely right 

I don’t know what to do. Before I left I asked and asked for articles and 
photos. I've asked people to help solicit articles. I put so much time into 
layout and editing, getting it printed and mailed I feel like its pushing the 
limit to have to spend the time asking and following up and asking again. But 
I'm preaching to the choir.

 
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Mimi Jasek via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 06:58
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word

How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on paper 
about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas Caver. 
Something very wrong somewhere. 

Mimi Jasek

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Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Sorry y'all for the whine This was supposed to be private reply
But if it helps get articles its worth it! 

 jill orr 
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Jill Orr via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:31
To: 'Mimi Jasek'; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word

You are absolutely right 

I don’t know what to do. Before I left I asked and asked for articles and 
photos. I've asked people to help solicit articles. I put so much time into 
layout and editing, getting it printed and mailed I feel like its pushing the 
limit to have to spend the time asking and following up and asking again. But 
I'm preaching to the choir.

 
jill orr 
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Mimi Jasek via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 06:58
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word

How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on paper 
about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas Caver. 
Something very wrong somewhere. 

Mimi Jasek

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver cover gets NSS Merit Awardi

[Jill Orr]

Thanks Mark!
However, don’t forget the photographer  Chris Lafferty, nor the model, Mallory 
Mayeaux!


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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 20:18
To: speleoste...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver cover gets NSS Merit Awardi

Way to go, Jill!



Mark



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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Steele
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 1:16 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver cover gets NSS Merit Awardi

At the NSS convention the 2013, Vol. 59, Issue 3 of the Texas Caver won a blue 
ribbon in the Cover Arts Salon.

Congratulations, Jill Orr! 

Bill Steele 

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver Announcement

[Jill Orr]

Hi Texas Cavers, 

Aside from the other great people who've volunteered to help solicit
articles, Mallory Mayeaux has agreed to be Associate Editor for the Texas
Caver Magazine, and make direct contact for articles on all the great trips
going on. Since for the next few months I can only make general requests,
which have been quite ineffective, I really need the support. 

 

The upcoming issue, which is completed and currently being edited, is
greatly reduced for lack of articles and photos. I really hope to catch up
and have a full sized issue in a reasonable time frame. Many thanks to all
new and regular contributors and apologies to subscribers for the late and
shrunken issue.

 

Jill

 

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 http://jillorr.businesscatalyst.com/ jillorr.businesscatalyst.com

 

[Texascavers] articles

[Jill Orr]

Please contribute. We NEED articles and photos for the next issue of the
Texas caver. Deadline is May 3 as I'll be away from wi-fi for two weeks in
the middle of the ocean.!

Thanks! Jill

 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

The December Texas Caver was sheepishly mailed this week.  The printer even
called to ask if there was a typo 
on the date. :- /.  Good printer, that. Very embarrassed. Have heard of
other persons being such a procrastinator but I was never one like this
before. Sorry y'all. Butch has been sent copy for website  - watch for your
electronic versions. 



Please send articles ASAP for next issue so I can catch up...! Thanks for
your understanding and patience.

Jill

 

RE: [Texascavers] Mystery Cave #2

[Jill Orr]

I like this idea.

 

From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:10 AM
To: mark gee
Cc: Pete Lindsley; Mark Minton; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mystery Cave #2

 

These mystery cave pictures would be a nice page filler on the TC
newsletter.

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM, mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com wrote:

Is the cave in Hudspeth County.

 

On Friday, February 21, 2014 6:34 PM, Pete Lindsley caverp...@gmail.com
wrote:

Nope, been there and that's not it. What is pictured is a more impressive
entrance.

- Pete

On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Mark Minton wrote:

  I'll take a guess that it's Mesa de Anguila Sinkhole. I've never been
there, but always wanted to.

Mark

At 05:00 PM 2/21/2014, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:

 Mystery Cave #2
 
 OK David and you other Texicans.  This is also the entrance to a Texas
cave.  The scenery in the background will give you the clue that it is not
very close to Houston. The rancher is the guy with his back toward you on
the right - wearing the c'boy hat.
 
 It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer, and
THEN find out if they actually have been there -.
 
 DirtDoc
 
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[Texascavers] September Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

Texas Cavers: 

The Caver is extremely late this issue due to many circumstances that came
up,  both personal and printer related. The printer shorted us about 25
issues that should have been labeled, and getting the replacements took a
couple of weeks. An attempt to pass the labeled issues at the TCR didn't
happen, and I'm working on sorting the labeling mess I'm left with. Thank
you for your understanding and patience. 

 

In the mean time  - the December issue needs articles. 

Jill

[Texascavers] photo request

[Jill Orr]

I need a high res image of a Texas Blind Salamander for the TCMA brochure. 

If anyone has one they can submit please contact me off line.  Soonest
possible please. 

Thanks,

Jill 

 

[Texascavers] mal

[Jill Orr]

I've still got room for encouraging messages to Mallory for the Texas Caver

Jill

[Texascavers] mal

[Jill Orr]

I've still got room for encouraging messages to Mallory for the Texas Caver

Jill

[Texascavers] Mallory

[Jill Orr]

Please remember to send your support notes to me for Mallory. 

Mimi had a great idea of using an inspiring quote. 

Thanks all!

[Texascavers] Mallory

[Jill Orr]

Please remember to send your support notes to me for Mallory. 

Mimi had a great idea of using an inspiring quote. 

Thanks all!

RE: [Texascavers] photos from ICS

[Jill Orr]

If anyone has photos from the ICS they would like to see in the Texas Caver
please contact me.

Would also love to get a paragraph from everyone who was there for a
collection in the next publication. 

Thanks for the reminder Bill.

-Original Message-
From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:13 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] pbotos from ICS

There are close to 200 photos from the International Congress in Brno last
month at https://www.facebook.com/Speleo2013/photos_stream
See if you can spot the Texas cavers. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Mallory and the Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

I've checked with Emily and we thought it would be great for Mallory to
dedicate space in the Texas Caver with messages from ya'll to her.  If you
would like a message included in the next issue - please send by Aug 20.  A
few words to a couple of paragraphs. Photos and cute graphics are cool too.


 

Will request that you try to be unique in your wording so we don't have
multi repeated phrases - and don't let that discourage you please!  

[Texascavers] TSA convention results

[Jill Orr]

Can anyone send me the results of the TSA Salon please.

I know Kayla won mapping and Saj a couple of honorable mentions for
photography.

Thanks!

Jill

[Texascavers] TSA convention results

[Jill Orr]

Can anyone send me the results of the TSA Salon please.

I know Kayla won mapping and Saj a couple of honorable mentions for
photography.

Thanks!

Jill

[Texascavers] TSA convention results

[Jill Orr]

Can anyone send me the results of the TSA Salon please.

I know Kayla won mapping and Saj a couple of honorable mentions for
photography.

Thanks!

Jill

[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine

[Jill Orr]

Hi cavers, 

Currently The Texas Caver does not have enough articles to  publish next
issue. ( promised or delivered articles)

We could use a write up about the TSA convention from someone. Are there any
trip reports? There is about 1½ weeks to get your articles in….

Grotto presidents, please remind  your grotto members to contribute at your
meetings!

Thanks for your support.  J

 

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[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine

[Jill Orr]

Hi cavers, 

Currently The Texas Caver does not have enough articles to  publish next
issue. ( promised or delivered articles)

We could use a write up about the TSA convention from someone. Are there any
trip reports? There is about 1½ weeks to get your articles in….

Grotto presidents, please remind  your grotto members to contribute at your
meetings!

Thanks for your support.  J

 

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver articles

[Jill Orr]

Hay all, I'm looking for articles for the next issue of Texas Caver ! 

 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver articles

[Jill Orr]

Hay all, I'm looking for articles for the next issue of Texas Caver ! 

 

RE: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA]

[Jill Orr]

I will be there for this one. :)


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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:53 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA]

Please send agenda items to me soon. Also, PLEASE ATTEND. Who knows what I
could do to the TSA unsupervised.

Sent cellularly.
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RE: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA]

[Jill Orr]

I will be there for this one. :)


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Subject: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA]

Please send agenda items to me soon. Also, PLEASE ATTEND. Who knows what I
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RE: [Texascavers] [Spring Convention Meeting of TSA]

[Jill Orr]

I will be there for this one. :)


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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:53 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
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Please send agenda items to me soon. Also, PLEASE ATTEND. Who knows what I
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[Texascavers] texas caver magazine

[Jill Orr]

So sorry TSA members for such a long delay in getting the print publication
out. 

Many things kept me behind, but ..
The good news is the new issue came from the printer yesterday

The bad news is that they did not label them

The good news is that they will reprint them with labels for free

More good news is that I'll be in Austin and can deliver to many TSA members
at the TCC

Even more good news is that we can save some postage

The Best good news is we get to keep the 100 that they printed without
labels 

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

By the way, I'm looking for photos for next issues cover and  of course
articles. 

Jill

[Texascavers] texas caver magazine

[Jill Orr]

So sorry TSA members for such a long delay in getting the print publication
out. 

Many things kept me behind, but ..
The good news is the new issue came from the printer yesterday

The bad news is that they did not label them

The good news is that they will reprint them with labels for free

More good news is that I'll be in Austin and can deliver to many TSA members
at the TCC

Even more good news is that we can save some postage

The Best good news is we get to keep the 100 that they printed without
labels 

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

By the way, I'm looking for photos for next issues cover and  of course
articles. 

Jill

[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

TSA members: 

The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line. 

Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and
Proofing. 

If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don't Wait! Send them in.

Happy Caving.

Jill

 

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http://www.cavetexas.org/members/txcaver/index.php 

 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

TSA members: 

The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line. 

Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and
Proofing. 

If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don't Wait! Send them in.

Happy Caving.

Jill

 

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http://www.cavetexas.org/members/txcaver/index.php 

 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

TSA members: 

The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line. 

Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and
Proofing. 

If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don't Wait! Send them in.

Happy Caving.

Jill

 

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http://www.cavetexas.org/members/txcaver/index.php 

 

[Texascavers] new issue of TC

[Jill Orr]

Hay all, 

It occurred to me that with the next issue coming out around the holiday,
that some caving over Christmas memories would be cool. They don't have to
be long and I'm imagining putting together a collection. 

 

If anyone has a Christmas or New Years caving story to tell 

please send off line. Photos welcome too.   Thanks!

 

Jill

 

[Texascavers] new issue of TC

[Jill Orr]

Hay all, 

It occurred to me that with the next issue coming out around the holiday,
that some caving over Christmas memories would be cool. They don't have to
be long and I'm imagining putting together a collection. 

 

If anyone has a Christmas or New Years caving story to tell 

please send off line. Photos welcome too.   Thanks!

 

Jill

 

[Texascavers] speleolympics results

[Jill Orr]

Does anyone have the speleolympic results to send me for the Texas Caver?

Articles? Photos? 

Thanks in advance! Jill

[Texascavers] another request for photos

[Jill Orr]

If anyone has photos of any of the Chuck Stuehm Award winners - I'd love to
have them for the TC

Austin McRee - Greater Houston Grotto

Kris Pena - UT Grotto

William Quast - UT Grotto

Natasha Glasgow - DFW Grotto 

Gregg Williams - Bexar Grotto

Rachel Saker - Aggie Speleological Society

 

Recipients are welcome to send your own  J

Thanks! - jill

[Texascavers] clarification

[Jill Orr]

Chuck Stuehm Award winners photo request : photos do not have to be from the
TCR awards announcment. Any nice photo will do. 

 

 

[Texascavers] speleolympics results

[Jill Orr]

Does anyone have the speleolympic results to send me for the Texas Caver?

Articles? Photos? 

Thanks in advance! Jill

[Texascavers] another request for photos

[Jill Orr]

If anyone has photos of any of the Chuck Stuehm Award winners - I'd love to
have them for the TC

Austin McRee - Greater Houston Grotto

Kris Pena - UT Grotto

William Quast - UT Grotto

Natasha Glasgow - DFW Grotto 

Gregg Williams - Bexar Grotto

Rachel Saker - Aggie Speleological Society

 

Recipients are welcome to send your own  J

Thanks! - jill

[Texascavers] clarification

[Jill Orr]

Chuck Stuehm Award winners photo request : photos do not have to be from the
TCR awards announcment. Any nice photo will do. 

 

 

[Texascavers] another request for photos

[Jill Orr]

If anyone has photos of any of the Chuck Stuehm Award winners - I'd love to
have them for the TC

Austin McRee - Greater Houston Grotto

Kris Pena - UT Grotto

William Quast - UT Grotto

Natasha Glasgow - DFW Grotto 

Gregg Williams - Bexar Grotto

Rachel Saker - Aggie Speleological Society

 

Recipients are welcome to send your own  J

Thanks! - jill

[Texascavers] clarification

[Jill Orr]

Chuck Stuehm Award winners photo request : photos do not have to be from the
TCR awards announcment. Any nice photo will do. 

 

 

RE: [Texascavers] Fwd: Longhorn Caverns - Thanksgiving Jazz Ragtime Concert in Cave

[Jill Orr]

I was told (by a couple of people )I should have made an announcement on Cave 
Tex that the Texas caver is available. 

 

The online edition of Texas Caver is available. J enjoy.

 

 

RE: [Texascavers] Fwd: Longhorn Caverns - Thanksgiving Jazz Ragtime Concert in Cave

[Jill Orr]

I was told (by a couple of people )I should have made an announcement on Cave 
Tex that the Texas caver is available. 

 

The online edition of Texas Caver is available. J enjoy.

 

 

[Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

Thanks everyone for all the nice compliments on the Texas Caver. I think
it's great and am a even a little relieved it's being received so well.
There will be a few tweaks and a smaller issue coming next issue (fewer
pages).

 

Now I need new articles and photos for the fourth quarter.!!!

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[Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

Thanks everyone for all the nice compliments on the Texas Caver. I think
it's great and am a even a little relieved it's being received so well.
There will be a few tweaks and a smaller issue coming next issue (fewer
pages).

 

Now I need new articles and photos for the fourth quarter.!!!

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[Texascavers] The Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

Thanks everyone for all the nice compliments on the Texas Caver. I think
it's great and am a even a little relieved it's being received so well.
There will be a few tweaks and a smaller issue coming next issue (fewer
pages).

 

Now I need new articles and photos for the fourth quarter.!!!

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[Texascavers] NSS awards

[Jill Orr]

For all Texas cavers who won an award at the NSS please email me details off
line by Friday. 

- Thanks! 

Jill

 

[Texascavers] NSS awards

[Jill Orr]

For all Texas cavers who won an award at the NSS please email me details off
line by Friday. 

- Thanks! 

Jill

 

RE: [Texascavers] printing photos

[Jill Orr]

Thanks for the great info Bill. 
I learned a couple things I wasn't aware of, but I stand by my request:
Please don't send double digit files size photos. :)


-Original Message-
From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:40 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] printing photos

File size is not a very good indication of whether the resolution of a photo
file is good enough. You can easily change the file size by a factor of 10
by JPEG compression that makes no visible difference in the photograph and
does not change the resolution.

The printer that I think the Texas Caver uses (I steered it to them) prints
halftones at 150 DPI. The rule of thumb used to be that you wanted to start
with 150% of that resolution, which would be 225 DPI.  
The printer asks for 300 for grayscale or color illustrations and 600 for
black-and-white line copy such as cave maps. What I usually ask people to
send for the Association for Mexican Cave Studies is photos that are at
least 1200 pixels high or wide. The largest I usually print photos is 4.44
inches, so that is good enough, even when I do some cropping. If I want to
use a photo on the cover, I go back and ask for more.

Actually, it takes a powerful magnifier to see a difference in the printed
results, even if a map starts out at 300 DPI or a photo at 150. Where you
really get in trouble is something that is just screen resolution. Beware of
photo software with one-click methods for e- mailing or posting photos.
Those typically automatically reduce the resolution (and file size) on the
assumption that the result is to be viewed on-screen. E-mail the actual
original photo file as an attachment. Even with the highest quality JPEG
compression, it won't be bigger than 10 MB. (Do _not_ JPEG line copy such as
cave maps. ZIP or LZW compression is OK. As there is no such thing as a
black-and- white JPEG, this question doesn't arise, unless you've used grays
or colors in the map.)

Jill, the printer's prepress people will fuss if illustrations are less than
their recommended resolution or color illustrations are not CMYK. Save
yourself an exchange of e-mails and include in the instructions with the PDF
files something like I know some illustrations are less than the
recommended resolution. They are the best available. Don't worry about it.
If I have forgotten to make a color photo CMYK, don't worry about that,
either. There is, of course, no point in your upsampling (or downsampling)
things just to keep them happy. You probably already know that you have to
be careful making PDFs. Acrobat by default JPEG-compresses or downsamples
things, unless you tell it not to.
--Mixon

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[Texascavers] a little more hlep

[Jill Orr]

For all who have no way of telling photo resolution,  here is a good way to
determine if your photos are going to be big enough to print:

 

Look at the file size:

If the KB is under 500 KB chances are it's too small for print. 

 

40 and 50 KB are only good for viewing online and not printable. 

 

500 KB and over should be ok. Around 1 MB is optimal. 

 

Sorry I didn't tell you all this way first time around.

 

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RE: [Texascavers] printing photos

[Jill Orr]

Thanks for the great info Bill. 
I learned a couple things I wasn't aware of, but I stand by my request:
Please don't send double digit files size photos. :)


-Original Message-
From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:40 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] printing photos

File size is not a very good indication of whether the resolution of a photo
file is good enough. You can easily change the file size by a factor of 10
by JPEG compression that makes no visible difference in the photograph and
does not change the resolution.

The printer that I think the Texas Caver uses (I steered it to them) prints
halftones at 150 DPI. The rule of thumb used to be that you wanted to start
with 150% of that resolution, which would be 225 DPI.  
The printer asks for 300 for grayscale or color illustrations and 600 for
black-and-white line copy such as cave maps. What I usually ask people to
send for the Association for Mexican Cave Studies is photos that are at
least 1200 pixels high or wide. The largest I usually print photos is 4.44
inches, so that is good enough, even when I do some cropping. If I want to
use a photo on the cover, I go back and ask for more.

Actually, it takes a powerful magnifier to see a difference in the printed
results, even if a map starts out at 300 DPI or a photo at 150. Where you
really get in trouble is something that is just screen resolution. Beware of
photo software with one-click methods for e- mailing or posting photos.
Those typically automatically reduce the resolution (and file size) on the
assumption that the result is to be viewed on-screen. E-mail the actual
original photo file as an attachment. Even with the highest quality JPEG
compression, it won't be bigger than 10 MB. (Do _not_ JPEG line copy such as
cave maps. ZIP or LZW compression is OK. As there is no such thing as a
black-and- white JPEG, this question doesn't arise, unless you've used grays
or colors in the map.)

Jill, the printer's prepress people will fuss if illustrations are less than
their recommended resolution or color illustrations are not CMYK. Save
yourself an exchange of e-mails and include in the instructions with the PDF
files something like I know some illustrations are less than the
recommended resolution. They are the best available. Don't worry about it.
If I have forgotten to make a color photo CMYK, don't worry about that,
either. There is, of course, no point in your upsampling (or downsampling)
things just to keep them happy. You probably already know that you have to
be careful making PDFs. Acrobat by default JPEG-compresses or downsamples
things, unless you tell it not to.
--Mixon

Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged.

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[Texascavers] a little more hlep

[Jill Orr]

For all who have no way of telling photo resolution,  here is a good way to
determine if your photos are going to be big enough to print:

 

Look at the file size:

If the KB is under 500 KB chances are it's too small for print. 

 

40 and 50 KB are only good for viewing online and not printable. 

 

500 KB and over should be ok. Around 1 MB is optimal. 

 

Sorry I didn't tell you all this way first time around.

 

Thanks ! 

_signature

713 805 6214

 

RE: [Texascavers] printing photos

[Jill Orr]

Thanks for the great info Bill. 
I learned a couple things I wasn't aware of, but I stand by my request:
Please don't send double digit files size photos. :)


-Original Message-
From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:40 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] printing photos

File size is not a very good indication of whether the resolution of a photo
file is good enough. You can easily change the file size by a factor of 10
by JPEG compression that makes no visible difference in the photograph and
does not change the resolution.

The printer that I think the Texas Caver uses (I steered it to them) prints
halftones at 150 DPI. The rule of thumb used to be that you wanted to start
with 150% of that resolution, which would be 225 DPI.  
The printer asks for 300 for grayscale or color illustrations and 600 for
black-and-white line copy such as cave maps. What I usually ask people to
send for the Association for Mexican Cave Studies is photos that are at
least 1200 pixels high or wide. The largest I usually print photos is 4.44
inches, so that is good enough, even when I do some cropping. If I want to
use a photo on the cover, I go back and ask for more.

Actually, it takes a powerful magnifier to see a difference in the printed
results, even if a map starts out at 300 DPI or a photo at 150. Where you
really get in trouble is something that is just screen resolution. Beware of
photo software with one-click methods for e- mailing or posting photos.
Those typically automatically reduce the resolution (and file size) on the
assumption that the result is to be viewed on-screen. E-mail the actual
original photo file as an attachment. Even with the highest quality JPEG
compression, it won't be bigger than 10 MB. (Do _not_ JPEG line copy such as
cave maps. ZIP or LZW compression is OK. As there is no such thing as a
black-and- white JPEG, this question doesn't arise, unless you've used grays
or colors in the map.)

Jill, the printer's prepress people will fuss if illustrations are less than
their recommended resolution or color illustrations are not CMYK. Save
yourself an exchange of e-mails and include in the instructions with the PDF
files something like I know some illustrations are less than the
recommended resolution. They are the best available. Don't worry about it.
If I have forgotten to make a color photo CMYK, don't worry about that,
either. There is, of course, no point in your upsampling (or downsampling)
things just to keep them happy. You probably already know that you have to
be careful making PDFs. Acrobat by default JPEG-compresses or downsamples
things, unless you tell it not to.
--Mixon

Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged.

You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term
use, save:
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[Texascavers] a little more hlep

[Jill Orr]

For all who have no way of telling photo resolution,  here is a good way to
determine if your photos are going to be big enough to print:

 

Look at the file size:

If the KB is under 500 KB chances are it's too small for print. 

 

40 and 50 KB are only good for viewing online and not printable. 

 

500 KB and over should be ok. Around 1 MB is optimal. 

 

Sorry I didn't tell you all this way first time around.

 

Thanks ! 

_signature

713 805 6214

 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver Deadline

[Jill Orr]

The deadline for submissions and photos for the Texas Caver articles is 

August 1st.  Please get your materials in ! J

 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver Deadline

[Jill Orr]

The deadline for submissions and photos for the Texas Caver articles is 

August 1st.  Please get your materials in ! J

 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver Deadline

[Jill Orr]

The deadline for submissions and photos for the Texas Caver articles is 

August 1st.  Please get your materials in ! J

 

[Texascavers] photos

[Jill Orr]

Does anyone have photos they would like published in the Texas Caver from
the NSS and the storm? Please be sure they are at least 150 dpi and send
soonest possible.

Thanks in advance!

 

jill

 

[Texascavers] photo quality

[Jill Orr]

Please keep the following in mind when taking photos that could be submitted
for print in The Texas Caver.

 

One of the hardest things to deal with as a graphic designer is getting
quality images from non professional photographers. Most people just have no
reason to know the difference in digital image resolution quality.

 

Here is a quick lesson:

 

Resolution is the measurement of how many pixels fit into one inch (dpi).

  72 dpi = BAD

300 dpi = GOOD


The higher resolution, the sharper the image will be.  Standard
recommendation for an image for print is 300 dpi for crisp, clear results.
Lower resolution images appear fuzzy, jagged, and blurry.

 

Most people have their phones and cameras set on low quality to allow for
higher storage volume, and of course sending via pixt or email. You can't
tell the difference until you try to print.

 

To increase resolution for quality prints: 

 

Adjust your camera to the highest quality setting. Taking the photo on the
highest setting will maximize both the quality of the image, as well as the
range of sizes at which you will be able to use it in printing projects.  If
possible, save your image as a TIF. 

Thanks for listening ! J
Jill

 

[Texascavers] photos

[Jill Orr]

Does anyone have photos they would like published in the Texas Caver from
the NSS and the storm? Please be sure they are at least 150 dpi and send
soonest possible.

Thanks in advance!

 

jill

 

[Texascavers] photo quality

[Jill Orr]

Please keep the following in mind when taking photos that could be submitted
for print in The Texas Caver.

 

One of the hardest things to deal with as a graphic designer is getting
quality images from non professional photographers. Most people just have no
reason to know the difference in digital image resolution quality.

 

Here is a quick lesson:

 

Resolution is the measurement of how many pixels fit into one inch (dpi).

  72 dpi = BAD

300 dpi = GOOD


The higher resolution, the sharper the image will be.  Standard
recommendation for an image for print is 300 dpi for crisp, clear results.
Lower resolution images appear fuzzy, jagged, and blurry.

 

Most people have their phones and cameras set on low quality to allow for
higher storage volume, and of course sending via pixt or email. You can't
tell the difference until you try to print.

 

To increase resolution for quality prints: 

 

Adjust your camera to the highest quality setting. Taking the photo on the
highest setting will maximize both the quality of the image, as well as the
range of sizes at which you will be able to use it in printing projects.  If
possible, save your image as a TIF. 

Thanks for listening ! J
Jill

 

[Texascavers] photos

[Jill Orr]

Does anyone have photos they would like published in the Texas Caver from
the NSS and the storm? Please be sure they are at least 150 dpi and send
soonest possible.

Thanks in advance!

 

jill

 

[Texascavers] photo quality

[Jill Orr]

Please keep the following in mind when taking photos that could be submitted
for print in The Texas Caver.

 

One of the hardest things to deal with as a graphic designer is getting
quality images from non professional photographers. Most people just have no
reason to know the difference in digital image resolution quality.

 

Here is a quick lesson:

 

Resolution is the measurement of how many pixels fit into one inch (dpi).

  72 dpi = BAD

300 dpi = GOOD


The higher resolution, the sharper the image will be.  Standard
recommendation for an image for print is 300 dpi for crisp, clear results.
Lower resolution images appear fuzzy, jagged, and blurry.

 

Most people have their phones and cameras set on low quality to allow for
higher storage volume, and of course sending via pixt or email. You can't
tell the difference until you try to print.

 

To increase resolution for quality prints: 

 

Adjust your camera to the highest quality setting. Taking the photo on the
highest setting will maximize both the quality of the image, as well as the
range of sizes at which you will be able to use it in printing projects.  If
possible, save your image as a TIF. 

Thanks for listening ! J
Jill

 

[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine

[Jill Orr]

Thanks to all who have sent well wishes, advice, and even articles and
photos so far to the fall issue of the Texas Caver Magazine. I'm very
grateful for the positive support and looking forward to my first upcoming
publication. I hope you will like the changes you see. 

 

I've been asked to post the guidelines on cavetex to help make sure everyone
is reminded of the submission requirements, but more important my contact
information.

 

jill...@swbell.net  or 
publicati...@cavetexas.org

 

 

. Send articles and photos via e-mail, CD, jump drive, or Drop Box
only. No paper copies.

. Do not send articles in PFD format. Acceptable formats are: doc,
docx, rtx, txt, or email body.

. Please do not format your text except for emphasis (i.e., italics,
bold, underline).

. Photos must be minimum 150 dpi (actual size) and 300 dpi
preferably.  Contact me if you have any questions. 

. Photos cannot be imbedded in a word document, pdf, email body, or
Powerpoint. Link them to the mail or send via Drop Box or Flicker link.

. Contact me for Drop Box access.

I can accept articles and photos at any time, however please be aware that
if it's close to a deadline, materials may be reserved for a future
publication.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. 

Jill

[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine

[Jill Orr]

Thanks to all who have sent well wishes, advice, and even articles and
photos so far to the fall issue of the Texas Caver Magazine. I'm very
grateful for the positive support and looking forward to my first upcoming
publication. I hope you will like the changes you see. 

 

I've been asked to post the guidelines on cavetex to help make sure everyone
is reminded of the submission requirements, but more important my contact
information.

 

jill...@swbell.net  or 
publicati...@cavetexas.org

 

 

. Send articles and photos via e-mail, CD, jump drive, or Drop Box
only. No paper copies.

. Do not send articles in PFD format. Acceptable formats are: doc,
docx, rtx, txt, or email body.

. Please do not format your text except for emphasis (i.e., italics,
bold, underline).

. Photos must be minimum 150 dpi (actual size) and 300 dpi
preferably.  Contact me if you have any questions. 

. Photos cannot be imbedded in a word document, pdf, email body, or
Powerpoint. Link them to the mail or send via Drop Box or Flicker link.

. Contact me for Drop Box access.

I can accept articles and photos at any time, however please be aware that
if it's close to a deadline, materials may be reserved for a future
publication.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. 

Jill

[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine

[Jill Orr]

Thanks to all who have sent well wishes, advice, and even articles and
photos so far to the fall issue of the Texas Caver Magazine. I'm very
grateful for the positive support and looking forward to my first upcoming
publication. I hope you will like the changes you see. 

 

I've been asked to post the guidelines on cavetex to help make sure everyone
is reminded of the submission requirements, but more important my contact
information.

 

jill...@swbell.net  or 
publicati...@cavetexas.org

 

 

. Send articles and photos via e-mail, CD, jump drive, or Drop Box
only. No paper copies.

. Do not send articles in PFD format. Acceptable formats are: doc,
docx, rtx, txt, or email body.

. Please do not format your text except for emphasis (i.e., italics,
bold, underline).

. Photos must be minimum 150 dpi (actual size) and 300 dpi
preferably.  Contact me if you have any questions. 

. Photos cannot be imbedded in a word document, pdf, email body, or
Powerpoint. Link them to the mail or send via Drop Box or Flicker link.

. Contact me for Drop Box access.

I can accept articles and photos at any time, however please be aware that
if it's close to a deadline, materials may be reserved for a future
publication.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. 

Jill

[Texascavers] CM cave trip reminder

[Jill Orr]

This is the biggest caver outing between TSA and TCR! All grottos are
invited.

 

Hopefully my grotto contacts have spread the word about the C My Shovel trip
weekend of June 9.  I'll post complete details tonight. Please coordinate
your rsvp with your grotto trip contact, who will contact me.  Primitive
camping is available Friday and Saturday nights. 

 

CM is located near Honey Creek Cave and is both water and vertical. (must be
vertically competent - there is no tractor here) You must have your own gear
and wet suit. No fins or boogie boards are needed, only sturdy cave boots.
There is very little swimming and the trip should last about 2.5 hours, not
including in and out.  There is ridge walking and I've been told lots of
little caves for those who don't want to go in CM.

 

If we get around 40 cavers there will be BBQ provided Saturday night in
which we will pass the hat for payment. 

 

Thanks and see you there! 

 

_signature

713 805 6214

 

[Texascavers] CM cave trip reminder

[Jill Orr]

This is the biggest caver outing between TSA and TCR! All grottos are
invited.

 

Hopefully my grotto contacts have spread the word about the C My Shovel trip
weekend of June 9.  I'll post complete details tonight. Please coordinate
your rsvp with your grotto trip contact, who will contact me.  Primitive
camping is available Friday and Saturday nights. 

 

CM is located near Honey Creek Cave and is both water and vertical. (must be
vertically competent - there is no tractor here) You must have your own gear
and wet suit. No fins or boogie boards are needed, only sturdy cave boots.
There is very little swimming and the trip should last about 2.5 hours, not
including in and out.  There is ridge walking and I've been told lots of
little caves for those who don't want to go in CM.

 

If we get around 40 cavers there will be BBQ provided Saturday night in
which we will pass the hat for payment. 

 

Thanks and see you there! 

 

_signature

713 805 6214

 

[Texascavers] CM cave trip reminder

[Jill Orr]

This is the biggest caver outing between TSA and TCR! All grottos are
invited.

 

Hopefully my grotto contacts have spread the word about the C My Shovel trip
weekend of June 9.  I'll post complete details tonight. Please coordinate
your rsvp with your grotto trip contact, who will contact me.  Primitive
camping is available Friday and Saturday nights. 

 

CM is located near Honey Creek Cave and is both water and vertical. (must be
vertically competent - there is no tractor here) You must have your own gear
and wet suit. No fins or boogie boards are needed, only sturdy cave boots.
There is very little swimming and the trip should last about 2.5 hours, not
including in and out.  There is ridge walking and I've been told lots of
little caves for those who don't want to go in CM.

 

If we get around 40 cavers there will be BBQ provided Saturday night in
which we will pass the hat for payment. 

 

Thanks and see you there! 

 

_signature

713 805 6214

 

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

[Jill Orr]

Thank you Allan for the kudos on the newsletter. 

 

I’m going to take exception to Stefan’s comment regarding it being selfish for 
individual Grottos to publish their own newsletter since Bexar Grotto appears 
to be the only grotto publishing regularly.  

 

It takes a lot of work to get anyone to submit an article. I have several 
supporters in BG who regularly submit articles or photos, and encourage other 
members to write.  The Texas Caver comes out quarterly, - I work at getting a 
monthly newsletter out when the news is fresh; and it is for the people who are 
most interested in it. I’ve also managed the layout for the TCMA newsletter for 
the last several years, even one edition from California.  Hardly selfish. 

 

Maybe you are just trying to stir up some controversy Stephan. Ok I’ll bite, 
let’s have some fun. : )

 

Are you writing articles for the Texas Caver?  Then perhaps you may have a 
point to call the Bexar Grotto selfish for keeping the Bexar Facts going.  No 
actually you don’t. You sound a little like a spoiled, jealous kid who can’t 
have something someone else has……and so doesn’t want anyone else to have it and 
resort to name calling trying to instill guilt.  Our newsletter helps keep our 
grotto members informed, connected, and interested.  I have no intention of 
stopping. (Notice I didn’t call you a name. I said you sound like…)

 

If you are not writing perhaps you should start?? 

 

Happy Caving Stephan and I hope to share a drink with you at CM in June! 

 

Jill

 

 

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:49 PM
To: freddie poer
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A 
Discussion

 

I’m thinking that it’s very selfish of individual Grottos to produce their own 
newsletters and not support the Texas Caver.

 

Surely Grotto meetings are there to talk about your own stuff, and the Texas 
Caver to share it with everyone else? What purpose does a Grotto newsletter 
serve?

 

My 2p.

 

-Stefan

 

 

 

From: freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:36 PM
To: Bill Bentley
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A 
Discussion

 


Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report, 
Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with.

--- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote:


From: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A 
Discussion
To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 11:29 AM

 

Don't give up.. 

Bill

 


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RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

[Jill Orr]

Thank you Allan for the kudos on the newsletter. 

 

I’m going to take exception to Stefan’s comment regarding it being selfish for 
individual Grottos to publish their own newsletter since Bexar Grotto appears 
to be the only grotto publishing regularly.  

 

It takes a lot of work to get anyone to submit an article. I have several 
supporters in BG who regularly submit articles or photos, and encourage other 
members to write.  The Texas Caver comes out quarterly, - I work at getting a 
monthly newsletter out when the news is fresh; and it is for the people who are 
most interested in it. I’ve also managed the layout for the TCMA newsletter for 
the last several years, even one edition from California.  Hardly selfish. 

 

Maybe you are just trying to stir up some controversy Stephan. Ok I’ll bite, 
let’s have some fun. : )

 

Are you writing articles for the Texas Caver?  Then perhaps you may have a 
point to call the Bexar Grotto selfish for keeping the Bexar Facts going.  No 
actually you don’t. You sound a little like a spoiled, jealous kid who can’t 
have something someone else has……and so doesn’t want anyone else to have it and 
resort to name calling trying to instill guilt.  Our newsletter helps keep our 
grotto members informed, connected, and interested.  I have no intention of 
stopping. (Notice I didn’t call you a name. I said you sound like…)

 

If you are not writing perhaps you should start?? 

 

Happy Caving Stephan and I hope to share a drink with you at CM in June! 

 

Jill

 

 

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:49 PM
To: freddie poer
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A 
Discussion

 

I’m thinking that it’s very selfish of individual Grottos to produce their own 
newsletters and not support the Texas Caver.

 

Surely Grotto meetings are there to talk about your own stuff, and the Texas 
Caver to share it with everyone else? What purpose does a Grotto newsletter 
serve?

 

My 2p.

 

-Stefan

 

 

 

From: freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:36 PM
To: Bill Bentley
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A 
Discussion

 


Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report, 
Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with.

--- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote:


From: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A 
Discussion
To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 11:29 AM

 

Don't give up.. 

Bill

 


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