Re: [Texascavers] Tags for Rigging Anchors

2015-10-25 Thread Raymond via Texascavers
I am certainly no rigging expert, but this sounds like an awesome idea to me.  
If you have the time and energy to do this, then others will have better 
information by which to judge whether this anchor is still good at whatever 
point in the future they encounter it.


--Ray Hertel



From: Texascavers  on behalf of Robert B 
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Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:04 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Tags for Rigging Anchors

Seeking opinions...

Within the greater vertical caving community... what are peoples opinion to 
adding a "Tag Plate" to rigging anchors. Especially in a cave where a route may 
justify using or placing rigging at same general location.

The Tag Plate would be made from an aluminum strip (maybe another material ???) 
and have such information as placement date, bolt manufacturer, type, diameter, 
depth. Anchor information could be put on there too, but may not be needed as 
one can more easily inspect the anchor.

Maybe add a 'Tag #' that could be included in survey notes and map.

This 'Tag Plate' would attach to the anchor/bolt in some manner as to not 
obstruct use. Some sort of wire maybe??? Think heavy industry. Every piece of 
equipment is Tagged.

If a project agrees ahead of time to use the same type of bolts and anchors, 
then Tags could be made ahead of time and installed as rigging crew sets each 
point.

Consider this...
You are on the rigging team. You come to a point in a cave where you must set 
some anchors.
You notice three (3) other full sets of anchors.They may be in very good 
looking condition and the location is perfect... BUT???
Who set these?
When or how old are they?
What kind of bolt did they use?
Is the bolt deep enough, strong enough?
Is it stainless? Galvanized?
Is there corrosion due to dissimilar metals that I cant see?

Would a 'Tag' help you in these situations?
Other info to add to Tag?

Rob Bisset





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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

2015-01-08 Thread Raymond via Texascavers
The third weekend in October is the place I mark in my calendar each year.  In 
my time, we have only had it on a different weekend once, so the third weekend 
seems natural to me.
 
As far as location goes...Paradise Canyon is nice, but, without water, I would 
look for another place.  Flat Creek is, of course, always awesome.  No one 
seems to be jumping on the Guadalupe River RV Park band wagon.  I thought that 
was a great place.  And it had water!
 
Ray Hertel 
 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:38:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
From: texascavers@texascavers.com





Gill, you should know better. You should never say never.
 
I always used the third weekend of October. It was easy to find on a 
calendar and easy to remember. The only time I changed it was because of a 
conflict with PC.
 
Allan


 

From: Gill Ediger via Texascavers 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:55 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey
 


For everybody's benefit: The traditional date for TCR was not the 3rd 
weekend in October--and never had been. Disabuse yourselves of that idea. It 
was 
"the weekend nearest to the 15th of October." Mostly it was the 3rd weekend of 
the month but sometimes it claimed the 2nd weekend. There were 2 or 3 times 
when 
some other conflict (a hurricane, for instance) caused the date to be pushed 
forward or backward. The "weekend nearest the 15th" worked out really well 
during its tenure. 
Just 
FYI, the underlying purpose was to not be in conflict, date wise, with the TAG 
event in Alabama in order that cavers could attend both events if they wished 
but, more importantly, so that Bob & Bob and other vendors could attend both 
events, hopefully, so that Texas cavers would have hands-on access to top 
quality caving gear. At some point Bob quit going to TAG and came only to TCR 
and few, if any, cavers attended both events so the whole point became sorta 
moot. 
--Ediger






On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:26 PM, 
Diana Tomchick via Texascavers  
wrote:



Keep it on the weekend of October 15-18.I loved the TCR that was held at Honey 
Creek Cave, but Paradise 
Canyon is cool, too.Diana* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
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Blvd.Rm. ND10.214ADallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.Email: 
Diana.Tomchick@UTSouthwestern.edu214-645-6383 (phone)214-645-6353 (fax)On Jan 
7, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn 
via Texascavers wrote:> Ok, Cavers, I'm 
starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. Paradise Canyon 
called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the word that if we 
have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all like PC, but 
they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA 
and TCR.> How do y'all feel about this site?>> Next is the date. There have 
been several 
"traditional" weekends and many suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend 
of 
October 15-18 as a target date.> How do y'all feel about 
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