Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting
I just clicked on the link Aubri sent and it ran for me on a Windows 7 PC. Ron Rutherford UT Grotto On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Pete Lindsley via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Aubri, thanks for the additional information on the presentation made a > few days ago. At least Ben's presentation was archived and now > I better understand the process. Apparently Periscope does not currently > support computers with large screens, but it does support folks with either > an IOS or Android device, mostly smart phones plus some tablets. If they > can figure out how to support desktop computers like PCs, Macs and Linux it > will then be available to many, many more folks. > > I found this youtube explanation that might be of interest to cavers > without smart phones and iPads during the exact time the broadcast is > "live", although you would still need such a device to display it on your > "full size" computer screen. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99rxZKdzDkM]. > There are also other methods discussed on youtube that are specific to > certain computers and browsers that can install certain browser extensions, > but some of these may be out of date now as it appears that FB wants to > keep control of this method of broadcast. [https://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=3jrEhi7kTN8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3JqAcALR0c] & > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLnXIjRzAJ4]. > > I find the NSS Webinar presentations much more useful, and they are > archived in a manner that makes them available to a much larger audience > 24/7. > > - Pete > DFWG > Sandia Grotto > Porcupine Grotto > > > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] holes status
it is flowing nice and clean. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Albach via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Hi Folks, A coworker of mine decided to come to Texas and do some landscape photography in east and central Texas. He had a particularly yearning to photograph jacobs well. After the rains recently I was thinking that the holes might be less than photogenic at this time with plenty of flood delivered detritus. Might anybody in the Wimberly area happen to know? Thanks, -Robert ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Ron Rutherford ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [anonimity]
All texascavers posts come to me with the FROM like this:*Jim Kennedy via Texascavers* seems pretty easy to tell who sent it. Ron Rutherford. 11:28 AM (1 minute ago) On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: PLEASE sign your posts! Crash ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
I added leg padding and a padded/adjustable butt loop to my GGG harness, to make the perfect harness for me. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: People keep mentioning these butt loops, so I have to ask... Why doesn't the harness come with them in the first place? Would seem like poor design to me... -S -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:27 AM To: GalenFalgout; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I'll suggest the GGG, too. As for butt loops. I just used some 3 mm accessory cord. I ran the cord through the loop at the back of the waist strap and then tied off to each leg loop. That has worked for years--cheap, easy, and simple. Allan -Original Message- From: GalenFalgout Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:59 AM To: Don Arburn ; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I just paid 60 for my ggg. I just need to add some butt loops Sent via my Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6423 - Release Date: 06/19/13 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
I added leg padding and a padded/adjustable butt loop to my GGG harness, to make the perfect harness for me. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: People keep mentioning these butt loops, so I have to ask... Why doesn't the harness come with them in the first place? Would seem like poor design to me... -S -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:27 AM To: GalenFalgout; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I'll suggest the GGG, too. As for butt loops. I just used some 3 mm accessory cord. I ran the cord through the loop at the back of the waist strap and then tied off to each leg loop. That has worked for years--cheap, easy, and simple. Allan -Original Message- From: GalenFalgout Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:59 AM To: Don Arburn ; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I just paid 60 for my ggg. I just need to add some butt loops Sent via my Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6423 - Release Date: 06/19/13 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested]
I added leg padding and a padded/adjustable butt loop to my GGG harness, to make the perfect harness for me. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: People keep mentioning these butt loops, so I have to ask... Why doesn't the harness come with them in the first place? Would seem like poor design to me... -S -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:27 AM To: GalenFalgout; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I'll suggest the GGG, too. As for butt loops. I just used some 3 mm accessory cord. I ran the cord through the loop at the back of the waist strap and then tied off to each leg loop. That has worked for years--cheap, easy, and simple. Allan -Original Message- From: GalenFalgout Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:59 AM To: Don Arburn ; TSA Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [harness advice requested] I just paid 60 for my ggg. I just need to add some butt loops Sent via my Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: My brother asked me to recommend a caving harness under $100. I haven't bought one in some time. What say you Texas Cavers? Sent cellularly. -Don - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6423 - Release Date: 06/19/13 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
not in Hays county. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote: Austin has emissions testing also, so I’m out as a buyer. ** ** -- Jim -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!
You could be some sort of habitual tagger. We wouldn't want you in the cave now would we? On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Background check to be a volunteer?!! Is this some form of police state we’re now in?! ** ** ** ** How far in advance does TPWD need this filled out? If a background check is needed, I'd guess there is a cut-off point. ** ** Thanks, Karen On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote:** ** This is SOOO cool! I am already registered. NOTE: When you sign up for LCSP, they require a background check. Can't be any worse than the 24-pager I just completed for a job in Austin! And, you can sign up for so many other things, too - like grant writing!! And even more exciting activities above ground, too. This was long overdue - very proud of TPWD for setting this up. What a great tool! julia ** ** ** ** Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!** P.S. If you do decide to come out and help, the TPWD staff has stated and is requiring the following: *From:* Terry Rodgers [mailto:terry.rodg...@tpwd.state.tx.usterry.rodg...@tpwd.state.tx.us?] *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 9:24 AM *To:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Mark Winford *Cc:* David Bell; Terence Young; Michelle Devaney; Christina Utley *Subject:* RE: Longhorn Caverns trail supplies - Hi Mark! We have finally finished the paperwork to get volunteers at Longhorn!!! Here is the site to go to and apply: http://ec.volunteernow.com/custom/1353/ *All* volunteers must apply, then select a location, easiest to plug in Longhorn’s zip code, 78611. The new system works faster than the older paper. Thanks Mark! *Terry Rodgers* Inks Lake State Park 3630 Park Road 4 W Burnet, Texas 78611 cell 512-636-6206 It’s a very cool website and TPWD has several volunteer opportunities, besides caving (imagine that!) that you might be interested in. Complete the online application and see what other areas of interest are out there and might appeal to you. I know I found some! Very painless! Thanks! Mark *Subject:* [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th! Well, with TCR in the rear view mirror, and Halloween will soon be behind us by the time this rolls around, what better way to kick off the fall than a Longhorn Caverns Project weekend involving caving, electricity, and power tools! The TPWD has graciously followed through and purchased some much needed equipment for us to make some long overdue trail improvements to a few areas Throughout the cave. Other funds for several other projects in the cave are to follow. In the meantime, this project will involve scoring ~ 61 feet of concrete throughout the cave (after we remove some gawd awful Astroturf © ) to improve traction, safety, and overall appearance. We will have to do this after hours on Saturday night and, if there’s enough interest, I’d like to do this on Friday night, as well. We have enough equipment for 8 (!) crews to be at work at one time. As a reward for helping out with this, the park is offering: · Free camping Friday and Saturday nights · Free use of The Basement for wild cave tours (the Crownover back entrance is still off limits). · A Free Vanishing Texas Bald Eagle Boat Cruise Sunday on beautiful Lake LBJ to observe bald eagles! If you have water jugs with screw on caps, please bring them. Hope to see the old hands back at the project this month, as well as any new faces interested in helping out. This is a truly fun and enjoyable project and we try hard to keep it that way and we guarantee a great weekend! Come out to a spectacular and historic cave and park, friendly park staff, and the always entertaining camaraderie of cavers! Hope to see you this month! Thanks! Mark -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!
You could be some sort of habitual tagger. We wouldn't want you in the cave now would we? On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Background check to be a volunteer?!! Is this some form of police state we’re now in?! ** ** ** ** How far in advance does TPWD need this filled out? If a background check is needed, I'd guess there is a cut-off point. ** ** Thanks, Karen On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote:** ** This is SOOO cool! I am already registered. NOTE: When you sign up for LCSP, they require a background check. Can't be any worse than the 24-pager I just completed for a job in Austin! And, you can sign up for so many other things, too - like grant writing!! And even more exciting activities above ground, too. This was long overdue - very proud of TPWD for setting this up. What a great tool! julia ** ** ** ** Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!** P.S. If you do decide to come out and help, the TPWD staff has stated and is requiring the following: *From:* Terry Rodgers [mailto:terry.rodg...@tpwd.state.tx.usterry.rodg...@tpwd.state.tx.us?] *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 9:24 AM *To:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Mark Winford *Cc:* David Bell; Terence Young; Michelle Devaney; Christina Utley *Subject:* RE: Longhorn Caverns trail supplies - Hi Mark! We have finally finished the paperwork to get volunteers at Longhorn!!! Here is the site to go to and apply: http://ec.volunteernow.com/custom/1353/ *All* volunteers must apply, then select a location, easiest to plug in Longhorn’s zip code, 78611. The new system works faster than the older paper. Thanks Mark! *Terry Rodgers* Inks Lake State Park 3630 Park Road 4 W Burnet, Texas 78611 cell 512-636-6206 It’s a very cool website and TPWD has several volunteer opportunities, besides caving (imagine that!) that you might be interested in. Complete the online application and see what other areas of interest are out there and might appeal to you. I know I found some! Very painless! Thanks! Mark *Subject:* [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th! Well, with TCR in the rear view mirror, and Halloween will soon be behind us by the time this rolls around, what better way to kick off the fall than a Longhorn Caverns Project weekend involving caving, electricity, and power tools! The TPWD has graciously followed through and purchased some much needed equipment for us to make some long overdue trail improvements to a few areas Throughout the cave. Other funds for several other projects in the cave are to follow. In the meantime, this project will involve scoring ~ 61 feet of concrete throughout the cave (after we remove some gawd awful Astroturf © ) to improve traction, safety, and overall appearance. We will have to do this after hours on Saturday night and, if there’s enough interest, I’d like to do this on Friday night, as well. We have enough equipment for 8 (!) crews to be at work at one time. As a reward for helping out with this, the park is offering: · Free camping Friday and Saturday nights · Free use of The Basement for wild cave tours (the Crownover back entrance is still off limits). · A Free Vanishing Texas Bald Eagle Boat Cruise Sunday on beautiful Lake LBJ to observe bald eagles! If you have water jugs with screw on caps, please bring them. Hope to see the old hands back at the project this month, as well as any new faces interested in helping out. This is a truly fun and enjoyable project and we try hard to keep it that way and we guarantee a great weekend! Come out to a spectacular and historic cave and park, friendly park staff, and the always entertaining camaraderie of cavers! Hope to see you this month! Thanks! Mark -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!
You could be some sort of habitual tagger. We wouldn't want you in the cave now would we? On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Background check to be a volunteer?!! Is this some form of police state we’re now in?! ** ** ** ** How far in advance does TPWD need this filled out? If a background check is needed, I'd guess there is a cut-off point. ** ** Thanks, Karen On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote:** ** This is SOOO cool! I am already registered. NOTE: When you sign up for LCSP, they require a background check. Can't be any worse than the 24-pager I just completed for a job in Austin! And, you can sign up for so many other things, too - like grant writing!! And even more exciting activities above ground, too. This was long overdue - very proud of TPWD for setting this up. What a great tool! julia ** ** ** ** Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!** P.S. If you do decide to come out and help, the TPWD staff has stated and is requiring the following: *From:* Terry Rodgers [mailto:terry.rodg...@tpwd.state.tx.usterry.rodg...@tpwd.state.tx.us?] *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 9:24 AM *To:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Mark Winford *Cc:* David Bell; Terence Young; Michelle Devaney; Christina Utley *Subject:* RE: Longhorn Caverns trail supplies - Hi Mark! We have finally finished the paperwork to get volunteers at Longhorn!!! Here is the site to go to and apply: http://ec.volunteernow.com/custom/1353/ *All* volunteers must apply, then select a location, easiest to plug in Longhorn’s zip code, 78611. The new system works faster than the older paper. Thanks Mark! *Terry Rodgers* Inks Lake State Park 3630 Park Road 4 W Burnet, Texas 78611 cell 512-636-6206 It’s a very cool website and TPWD has several volunteer opportunities, besides caving (imagine that!) that you might be interested in. Complete the online application and see what other areas of interest are out there and might appeal to you. I know I found some! Very painless! Thanks! Mark *Subject:* [Texascavers] Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th! Well, with TCR in the rear view mirror, and Halloween will soon be behind us by the time this rolls around, what better way to kick off the fall than a Longhorn Caverns Project weekend involving caving, electricity, and power tools! The TPWD has graciously followed through and purchased some much needed equipment for us to make some long overdue trail improvements to a few areas Throughout the cave. Other funds for several other projects in the cave are to follow. In the meantime, this project will involve scoring ~ 61 feet of concrete throughout the cave (after we remove some gawd awful Astroturf © ) to improve traction, safety, and overall appearance. We will have to do this after hours on Saturday night and, if there’s enough interest, I’d like to do this on Friday night, as well. We have enough equipment for 8 (!) crews to be at work at one time. As a reward for helping out with this, the park is offering: · Free camping Friday and Saturday nights · Free use of The Basement for wild cave tours (the Crownover back entrance is still off limits). · A Free Vanishing Texas Bald Eagle Boat Cruise Sunday on beautiful Lake LBJ to observe bald eagles! If you have water jugs with screw on caps, please bring them. Hope to see the old hands back at the project this month, as well as any new faces interested in helping out. This is a truly fun and enjoyable project and we try hard to keep it that way and we guarantee a great weekend! Come out to a spectacular and historic cave and park, friendly park staff, and the always entertaining camaraderie of cavers! Hope to see you this month! Thanks! Mark -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Study of kissing bugs for Chagus parasites in Texas.
Will Chagas make you old and fat? I always thought it was Sitting in front of the computer-idus, but maybe it is Chagas! I had a Reduviidae crawing up my leg yesterday. We are all doomed! On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: Scientific name Reduviidae, also called Assassin Bug, Blood Suckers, and a few other things. Traditionally the South Texas/Northern Mexico varieties did not carry Chagas. With many more human vectors these days the odds are good that the disease could have been transported here by now. --Ediger -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Study of kissing bugs for Chagus parasites in Texas.
Will Chagas make you old and fat? I always thought it was Sitting in front of the computer-idus, but maybe it is Chagas! I had a Reduviidae crawing up my leg yesterday. We are all doomed! On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: Scientific name Reduviidae, also called Assassin Bug, Blood Suckers, and a few other things. Traditionally the South Texas/Northern Mexico varieties did not carry Chagas. With many more human vectors these days the odds are good that the disease could have been transported here by now. --Ediger -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] news nonsense
It is the bacterial version of Fight the Power! On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: A recent study published in the journal PLoS ONE found that ancient bacteria in the cave possessed a surprising degree of bacterial resistance. Who writes these things? -- Mixon --**-- I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. --**-- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] news nonsense
It is the bacterial version of Fight the Power! On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: A recent study published in the journal PLoS ONE found that ancient bacteria in the cave possessed a surprising degree of bacterial resistance. Who writes these things? -- Mixon --**-- I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. --**-- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] news nonsense
It is the bacterial version of Fight the Power! On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: A recent study published in the journal PLoS ONE found that ancient bacteria in the cave possessed a surprising degree of bacterial resistance. Who writes these things? -- Mixon --**-- I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. --**-- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
I'm sure there are vastly different prices for the Rabies vaccination (pre-exposure) vs. the emergency Rabies shot series (post-exposure). On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.netwrote: ** Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00. I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was wondering if it would even be available in KY? When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures and availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the shots are good for? There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by bats, swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading and crawling in deep guano. Guano Go Caving, Preston = - Original Message - *From:* R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com *To:* Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net ; texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4 minutes to look around for other information to confirm or refute the article's claim. This is from the North Dakota public health website: http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm How much does rabies vaccine cost? Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive. A typical vaccination series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from $2,000 to $7,000+ per person. and from a North Carolina new program: http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-and-time-cons-ar-1169155/ If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the hospital bills are worse. Huttonhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/john-hutton/ said the first treatment resulted in a bill of $10,289http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/. But why so much? The cost of the ER facilityhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/er-facility/ is only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a vial of immunoglobulin. That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its weight, a vial of immunoglobulin can cost upwards of$1,500http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/. According to Rex Hospitalhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/rex-hospital/ Emergency Room supervisorhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/position/tags/emergency-room-supervisor/ Sherry Witt http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/sherry-witt/, immunoglobulin is like liquid gold. According to Rex, in Hutton's $10,000http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/ bill, that one shot was 80 percent of the bill -more than $8,000http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/ for that one shot. So my unscientific, cursory survey of the information on the internet seems to show that while very expensive, the figure quoted by the Miami Audubon seems somewhat inflated, by a factor ranging from 2 to 4 times. What would be more informative for us would be what Texas health providers charge for the treatment. -- *From:* Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 10:23 AM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots According to an article in the Miami Tropical Audubon Society newsletter, Spring 2011, five rabies shots cost---$27,000. The author one evening picked up a little fluttering thing, a bat, which bit her repeatedly between the thumb and forefinger. After 3 days she yielded to reason (and fear) and went to the doctor. Regular doctors do not stock rabies vaccine so she had to go to the Emergency Room. She received Five shots in the upper arm, painless, and a bill for $27,000. But, that prevented the possible rabies virus from migrating to the brain, where it is always fatal. The bat was a Brazilian Free-Tailed bat and it lived for 3 days, hence the shots. The author says if you must handle bats wear heavy gloves. By the way the Tropical Audubon Society headquarters in sw Miami at Coral Gables is a great place to visit. Lots of birding in that very tropical and jungle like area. Cavingly, Preston in KY - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
I'm sure there are vastly different prices for the Rabies vaccination (pre-exposure) vs. the emergency Rabies shot series (post-exposure). On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.netwrote: ** Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00. I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was wondering if it would even be available in KY? When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures and availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the shots are good for? There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by bats, swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading and crawling in deep guano. Guano Go Caving, Preston = - Original Message - *From:* R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com *To:* Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net ; texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4 minutes to look around for other information to confirm or refute the article's claim. This is from the North Dakota public health website: http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm How much does rabies vaccine cost? Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive. A typical vaccination series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from $2,000 to $7,000+ per person. and from a North Carolina new program: http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-and-time-cons-ar-1169155/ If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the hospital bills are worse. Huttonhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/john-hutton/ said the first treatment resulted in a bill of $10,289http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/. But why so much? The cost of the ER facilityhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/er-facility/ is only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a vial of immunoglobulin. That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its weight, a vial of immunoglobulin can cost upwards of$1,500http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/. According to Rex Hospitalhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/rex-hospital/ Emergency Room supervisorhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/position/tags/emergency-room-supervisor/ Sherry Witt http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/sherry-witt/, immunoglobulin is like liquid gold. According to Rex, in Hutton's $10,000http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/ bill, that one shot was 80 percent of the bill -more than $8,000http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/ for that one shot. So my unscientific, cursory survey of the information on the internet seems to show that while very expensive, the figure quoted by the Miami Audubon seems somewhat inflated, by a factor ranging from 2 to 4 times. What would be more informative for us would be what Texas health providers charge for the treatment. -- *From:* Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 10:23 AM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots According to an article in the Miami Tropical Audubon Society newsletter, Spring 2011, five rabies shots cost---$27,000. The author one evening picked up a little fluttering thing, a bat, which bit her repeatedly between the thumb and forefinger. After 3 days she yielded to reason (and fear) and went to the doctor. Regular doctors do not stock rabies vaccine so she had to go to the Emergency Room. She received Five shots in the upper arm, painless, and a bill for $27,000. But, that prevented the possible rabies virus from migrating to the brain, where it is always fatal. The bat was a Brazilian Free-Tailed bat and it lived for 3 days, hence the shots. The author says if you must handle bats wear heavy gloves. By the way the Tropical Audubon Society headquarters in sw Miami at Coral Gables is a great place to visit. Lots of birding in that very tropical and jungle like area. Cavingly, Preston in KY - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots
I'm sure there are vastly different prices for the Rabies vaccination (pre-exposure) vs. the emergency Rabies shot series (post-exposure). On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.netwrote: ** Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00. I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was wondering if it would even be available in KY? When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures and availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the shots are good for? There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by bats, swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading and crawling in deep guano. Guano Go Caving, Preston = - Original Message - *From:* R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com *To:* Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net ; texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4 minutes to look around for other information to confirm or refute the article's claim. This is from the North Dakota public health website: http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm How much does rabies vaccine cost? Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive. A typical vaccination series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from $2,000 to $7,000+ per person. and from a North Carolina new program: http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-and-time-cons-ar-1169155/ If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the hospital bills are worse. Huttonhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/john-hutton/ said the first treatment resulted in a bill of $10,289http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/. But why so much? The cost of the ER facilityhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/er-facility/ is only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a vial of immunoglobulin. That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its weight, a vial of immunoglobulin can cost upwards of$1,500http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/. According to Rex Hospitalhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/facility/tags/rex-hospital/ Emergency Room supervisorhttp://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/position/tags/emergency-room-supervisor/ Sherry Witt http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/person/tags/sherry-witt/, immunoglobulin is like liquid gold. According to Rex, in Hutton's $10,000http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/ bill, that one shot was 80 percent of the bill -more than $8,000http://www2.nbc17.com/topics/types/currency/tags/usd/ for that one shot. So my unscientific, cursory survey of the information on the internet seems to show that while very expensive, the figure quoted by the Miami Audubon seems somewhat inflated, by a factor ranging from 2 to 4 times. What would be more informative for us would be what Texas health providers charge for the treatment. -- *From:* Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 10:23 AM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots According to an article in the Miami Tropical Audubon Society newsletter, Spring 2011, five rabies shots cost---$27,000. The author one evening picked up a little fluttering thing, a bat, which bit her repeatedly between the thumb and forefinger. After 3 days she yielded to reason (and fear) and went to the doctor. Regular doctors do not stock rabies vaccine so she had to go to the Emergency Room. She received Five shots in the upper arm, painless, and a bill for $27,000. But, that prevented the possible rabies virus from migrating to the brain, where it is always fatal. The bat was a Brazilian Free-Tailed bat and it lived for 3 days, hence the shots. The author says if you must handle bats wear heavy gloves. By the way the Tropical Audubon Society headquarters in sw Miami at Coral Gables is a great place to visit. Lots of birding in that very tropical and jungle like area. Cavingly, Preston in KY - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] New Ascender
One of the founders and engineers is my neighbor here in Wimberley. I have not talked to him lately, so I did not know they were making ascenders. I will ask him about them next time I see him. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: Here's an ascender I haven't seen before: http://www.climbtechgear.com/**ascenders/http://www.climbtechgear.com/ascenders/. It's made by a reputable climbing gear manufacturer, so I presume it's safe and effective. It is significantly less expensive than comparable handled ascenders, which generally go for $60 - $70. Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] New Ascender
One of the founders and engineers is my neighbor here in Wimberley. I have not talked to him lately, so I did not know they were making ascenders. I will ask him about them next time I see him. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: Here's an ascender I haven't seen before: http://www.climbtechgear.com/**ascenders/http://www.climbtechgear.com/ascenders/. It's made by a reputable climbing gear manufacturer, so I presume it's safe and effective. It is significantly less expensive than comparable handled ascenders, which generally go for $60 - $70. Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] New Ascender
One of the founders and engineers is my neighbor here in Wimberley. I have not talked to him lately, so I did not know they were making ascenders. I will ask him about them next time I see him. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: Here's an ascender I haven't seen before: http://www.climbtechgear.com/**ascenders/http://www.climbtechgear.com/ascenders/. It's made by a reputable climbing gear manufacturer, so I presume it's safe and effective. It is significantly less expensive than comparable handled ascenders, which generally go for $60 - $70. Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] pants repair at TCR
Someone gave me a pair of pants to repair at TCR. I'm done with them, but I can't find a contact sheet to go with them. Who do they belong to? -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] pants repair at TCR
Someone gave me a pair of pants to repair at TCR. I'm done with them, but I can't find a contact sheet to go with them. Who do they belong to? -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] pants repair at TCR
Someone gave me a pair of pants to repair at TCR. I'm done with them, but I can't find a contact sheet to go with them. Who do they belong to? -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] Lee Jay
Can someone give me Lee Jay Graves contact #. I have misplaced my grotto list. -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] Re: Lee Jay
Got it, Thanks all. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone give me Lee Jay Graves contact #. I have misplaced my grotto list. -- Ron Rutherford -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] Lee Jay
Can someone give me Lee Jay Graves contact #. I have misplaced my grotto list. -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] Re: Lee Jay
Got it, Thanks all. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone give me Lee Jay Graves contact #. I have misplaced my grotto list. -- Ron Rutherford -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] Lee Jay
Can someone give me Lee Jay Graves contact #. I have misplaced my grotto list. -- Ron Rutherford
[Texascavers] Re: Lee Jay
Got it, Thanks all. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone give me Lee Jay Graves contact #. I have misplaced my grotto list. -- Ron Rutherford -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Driving Advice to Convention
google maps says it is only 20 extra miles to go 46 from New Braunfels to Boerne then over to Bandera and down 173 to 90 (at Hondo). It might be more relaxing than fighting your way thru SA traffic on Fri evening. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey San Antonians, if we are going through SA on Friday evening around 6 (traffic!), what's the best way from Austin to get to 90 and head west to convention? Should we aim for before or traffic, and if so, what times are best? Thanks, Denise -- Ron Rutherford Microsoft SQL Server DBA/Developer
Re: [Texascavers] Driving Advice to Convention
google maps says it is only 20 extra miles to go 46 from New Braunfels to Boerne then over to Bandera and down 173 to 90 (at Hondo). It might be more relaxing than fighting your way thru SA traffic on Fri evening. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey San Antonians, if we are going through SA on Friday evening around 6 (traffic!), what's the best way from Austin to get to 90 and head west to convention? Should we aim for before or traffic, and if so, what times are best? Thanks, Denise -- Ron Rutherford Microsoft SQL Server DBA/Developer
Re: [Texascavers] Driving Advice to Convention
google maps says it is only 20 extra miles to go 46 from New Braunfels to Boerne then over to Bandera and down 173 to 90 (at Hondo). It might be more relaxing than fighting your way thru SA traffic on Fri evening. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey San Antonians, if we are going through SA on Friday evening around 6 (traffic!), what's the best way from Austin to get to 90 and head west to convention? Should we aim for before or traffic, and if so, what times are best? Thanks, Denise -- Ron Rutherford Microsoft SQL Server DBA/Developer
Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais
In the not so far off future Genetically modified, WNS resistant bats fluttering around the countrysides and cities. But who knew that WNS resistance also activated the GIGANTIC-ISM gene 10 generations later? Now tiny insects are no longer enough! They need protein, and there are so many of us soft, plump humans On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote: Whaaat? Cloning? Test tube baby bats? Isn't this jumping the gun? Seriously, the most reasonable approach at this time is to document what is there. That way, we will have some clue as to what the impacts of WNS may be. These ARE proactive measures. best, Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com -- *From:* freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com *To:* Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Thu, December 9, 2010 6:09:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais Gee, Isn't it going to be hard to conduct these surveys if the caves are closed? Or, does this mean that the caves are closed to everyone except a few hand picked NPS personnel? This whole knee jerk close the caves reaction smells a little too much like the nobody should go caving except us syndrome that I have seen among certain cavers of the academic persuasion. Bill is obviously right in that nothing we do will alter what path WNS will take. It will not matter one whit whether all of us, or none of us, goes caving. WNS will complete it's own cycle. Why aren't we seeing some effort at proactive measures, like DNA preservation or maybe bat sperm and ova collection, instead of the putting out fires approach we are seeing now? --- On *Thu, 12/9/10, Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com*wrote: From: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com, Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 2:20 PM Bill, Blame the bureaucrats if you must but it sounds like they are taking steps to study the situation carefully. The NPS is conducting microbiological and other surveys of caves in the area, including those that are not occupied by bats. Simply stated: human entry into caves may complicate these studies. Stating that nothing can be done is giving up to soon. You may be correct that nothing can be done to prevent the spread of WNS, with or without cave closures. However, documenting bat populations and cave use as well as conducting microbiological and other surveys will at least provide information about what we may lose (have lost). This documentation is valuable, especially if we are facing the inevitable spread of a catastophic phenomenon like WNS. I view this as analogous to the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria. Sure, the fire may have been unavoidable (try stopping Julius Ceasar and the Roman army) but don't you wish that someone had at least catalogued the collection before it was turned to ashes? Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com -- *From:* Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com *To:* Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Thu, December 9, 2010 2:03:32 PM *Subject:* [Texascavers] El Malpais No, closing those caves isn't a symptom of greedy biologists, but rather of bureaucrats who think they have to be seen doing something, even if there's no real justification for it. My solution would be to recognize there's nothing to be done and let things play out, as they will anyway. A whole lot cheaper and less wear and tear on the nervous systems, even of bat buffs. -- Mixon All the world's a stage, but the play is badly cast. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduhttp://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.orghttp://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=edi...@amcs-pubs.orgor sa...@amcs-pubs.orghttp://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford Microsoft SQL Server DBA/Developer
