Re: [Texascavers] Airman's Cave Video

2008-09-26 Thread timst...@excite.com

Oh, this discussion is rich in irony. Ha ha ha. 

So hypothetically, what would be the most reckless way to endanger cave access 
and control? Well, it's not really hypothetical. It seems to me the absolute 
worst thing to do would be to maliciously bury rival cavers inside a cave not 
once, but twice. That might injure or actually kill the cavers thus buried, and 
that would certainly bring about a pretty nasty scandal. The public in general 
would be fairly shocked at the weird motivations of the actor(s) committing the 
burial that no layman would be able to fully explain. So the cave in question 
would be closed and sealed forever.

Now, who would go and do such a thing?

-Tim


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Airman's Cave Videos:

Caves should be part of public knowledge.  The public cannot be 
expected to protect or value caves if they don't know they exist.  
Cavers are a force for the good in protecting the karst, and without 
public awareness of caves, in the future there will be no cavers.  
This will be a loss not only for the potential cavers who will live a 
less fulfilled life, but also for the caves that suffer without the 
support form their friends.  But not all types of publicity are 
helpful.  Good publicity provides information and directs people to 
organized caving, bad publicity presents the cave as a challenge and 
says come and conquer, if you can.  Unfortunately, the Airman's 
videos tend to be more of the second type.  They do provide some 
information on safe caving, but there is no mention of organized 
caving, and the cave is presented essentially as a physical 
challenge.  This type of publicity tends to attract extreme sport 
thrill seekers.  The here-is-where-the-cave-is focus of the video 
undercuts the message to go with someone who knows the cave.  The 
producers of the Airman's video might intend to appeal only to the 
best, but they have essentially issued a challenge to everyone.  To 
put this in perspective, think of what the video would be like if the 
producers actually owned the cave.  And, the City of Austin does own 
the cave, and the people in charge do worry about abuse of the cave.  
The recent Airman's video will increase their desire to have positive 
control over who visits their cave.


The cost of cave "rescues" has long been an item for discussion, 
especially after newspaper reports of a rescue.  While much of the 
discussion is about how one does the accounting, cave rescues 
actually are expensive.  In the last Airman's Cave "Rescue" there 
were at least ten city employees who worked an additional day of 
overtime.  These were the most necessary and cave-worthy of the city 
employees who could not be replaced when their shift was over.  Not 
to mention the use of equipment and supplies.  And, if someone were 
to say that it did not cost the city anything to fight a fire because 
the fireman would have been paid even if there weren't a fire, most 
people would think this was not productive thinking.  If fires are 
not considered cost fee, neither should cave rescues.  But, the real 
problem is that our society is so risk adverse that any problem, as 
lost in a cave, is apt to be met with drastic solutions -- close up 
those dangerous caves.  Cavers know better, but private owners and 
the city are likely to take the easy way to solve the "problem" of 
caves.  
Bill Russell


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Re: [Texascavers] I had no idea that I'd ever be on You Tube

2008-05-30 Thread timst...@excite.com











"I am confused.Which is terrifying? "Moving to Austin"? caving? or stand up 
comedy?"





I would say the standup comedy is probably more terrifying than going into 
Maple Run.



Caving is most certainly an acquired taste, so I don't consider anyone "wimpy" 
for not being all gung-ho to dive into the two caves they visited. They are 
very small, for one, and don't afford much standing up. She probably would have 
enjoyed Gorman Cave out at CBSP.



Bill doesn't explain the acronym FYBYOYO in the video. Next time? ;-)



-Tim

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RE: [Texascavers] I had no idea that I'd ever be on You Tube

2008-05-30 Thread timst...@excite.com

So how did that girl get involved with the caving trip? It sounded like it was 
someone else's idea. Ha.



So you see how this Youtube thing works now. Upload some of your own videos 
from your digital camera. I put one up from Frozen Dead Guy Days in Nederland a 
month ago.



-Tim

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[Texascavers] RE: Texas now has a 20 mile long cave!

2008-04-16 Thread timst...@excite.com





Very cool news, Bill. I remember being involved with hauling out four cavers 
with my Isuzu Trooper once in place of the usual low geared tractor. It was 
pretty terrifying having that responsibility and I kept stalling while trying 
to drive super slow. Fortunately no one was maimed or permanently emotionally 
scarred. One of the persons on that cable is still friends with me to this day 
ten years later.



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Re: [Texascavers] Lost in Airman's

2008-03-12 Thread timst...@excite.com

n general people do not actually "need" a rescue in Airman's. What they need is 
to get motivated to move themselves out of the cave. Years ago some college 
aged girl got back in there and stopped crawling, citing exhaustion. Did she 
expect someone would come lather her up with suds and slider her out? When push 
came to shove, she got a going under her own power and exited the cave. I think 
that was the illustrious fire department callout with the drills and everything.



Time and time again, it is shown that people get themselves out of Airman's 
without any real assistance. They may come out later than planned, but that is 
the nature of any true wilderness experience. Who has come back from a long 
hike, lost for hours without the Man getting the rescue call? Happens all of 
the time. But if it is in a cave, there seems to be some dread to being late.



Tell the Press not to worry. The cave is finite. Everyone in the past has 
returned from it. Most were simply tired. 



-Stich

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