Re: [Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

2009-11-24 Thread tbsamsel


Odd that it took a month to go public.. or was it being saved for Lou (I'm going back to my home planet) Dobbs?

TNov 23, 2009 11:09:45 PM, lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote:
Thanks to Peter Keyes for this article from the Houston Chronicle.

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RE: [Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

2009-11-24 Thread Fritz Holt
A good reason for an old dude not to go caving in Mexico. I know, I know, you 
cave far from the border and it wouldn't happen to a peaceful caving group. But 
friends, the times they are a changing and desperate people take desperate 
actions even at the expense of their on livelihood.
Fritz



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Subject: [Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

Thanks to Peter Keyes for this article from the Houston Chronicle.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/6733362.html
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Re: [Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

2009-11-24 Thread Nancy Weaver
well not having read the article, only the intriguing title - I must 
say I've always entertained a Gary Larson like picture of doves, 
javelinas, deer, elk, moose, buffalo, squirrels etc armed with high 
velocity rifles.


Re: [Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

2009-11-24 Thread David
This is related to the previous post, but has nothing to
do with caving, or Texas.


I stopped by one of these lodges about 8 years ago, in
the off season, to see if there were any good deals for
staying over-night.  ( I didn't want to stay in a road-side
motel on the way back north to San Fernando. )

The lodge was very plain and very expensive.
I didn't see any reason to stay at the one I visited, unless you were a rich
hunter.

My wife and mother-in-law have a place in Reynosa, which is supposedly one
of the areas the Zeta's control.

They both will not travel at night in this town.   They
seem to think the problem has become worse recently.

Here is a news story from Matamoros from just last week:

http://www.elmananarey.com/diario/noticia/nacional/noticias/balacera:_mueren_militar_y_conductor/555276

It says that a military official was shot to death after he stopped a
suspicious vehicle.   Soldiers
returned fire shooting the car at least 20 times, with 7 bullets hitting the
driver in the chest.

Guns are illegal in Mexico.


Re: Re: [Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

2009-11-24 Thread tbsamsel


Note: Some firearms are legal in Mexico.. Like


Title Two of the Federal Law of Firearms allows possession and carrying of handguns in a calibers of .380 or less, although some calibers are excluded, most notably .357 magnum and 9mm parabellum.
Members of agricultural collectives and other rural workers are allowed to carry the aforesaid handguns, .22 rifles, and shotguns, as long as they stay outside of urban areas, and obtain a license.Nov 24, 2009 10:46:11 AM, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

This is related to the previous post, but has nothing to
do with caving, or Texas. 

I stopped by one of these lodges about 8 years ago, in
the off season, to see if there were any good deals for
staying over-night. ( I didn't want to stay in a road-side
motel on the way back north to San Fernando. )

The lodge was very plain and very expensive.
I didn't see any reason to stay at the one I visited, unlessyou were a rich hunter.

My wife and mother-in-law have a place in Reynosa, which is supposedly one of the areas the Zeta's control.

They both will not travel at night in this town.  They
seem to think the problem has become worse recently.

Here is a news story from Matamoros from just last week:

http://www.elmananarey.com/diario/noticia/nacional/noticias/balacera:_mueren_militar_y_conductor/555276

It says that a military official was shot to death after he stopped a suspicious vehicle.  Soldiers
returned fire shooting the car at least 20 times, with 7 bullets hitting the driver in the chest.

Guns are illegal in Mexico.



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Re: Re: [Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

2009-11-24 Thread Nico Escamilla
You're also allowed to transport your firearms and up to 100 rounds of ammo
per gun which must be unloaded and stripped of the magazine during
transport, provided you belong to a hunting club, have a hunting license and
tags, and a permit from SEDENA (National Defense)

Nico

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:18 AM, tbsam...@verizon.net wrote:

  Note: Some firearms are legal in Mexico..  Like


 *Title Two of the Federal Law of Firearms allows possession and carrying
 of handguns in a calibers of .380 or less, although some calibers are
 excluded, most notably .357 magnum and 9mm parabellum.*

 *Members of agricultural collectives and other rural workers are allowed
 to carry the aforesaid handguns, .22 rifles, and shotguns, as long as they
 stay outside of urban areas, and obtain a license.*



 Nov 24, 2009 10:46:11 AM, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is related to the previous post, but has nothing to
 do with caving, or Texas.


 I stopped by one of these lodges about 8 years ago, in
 the off season, to see if there were any good deals for
 staying over-night.  ( I didn't want to stay in a road-side
 motel on the way back north to San Fernando. )

 The lodge was very plain and very expensive.
 I didn't see any reason to stay at the one I visited, unless you were a
 rich hunter.

 My wife and mother-in-law have a place in Reynosa, which is supposedly one
 of the areas the Zeta's control.

 They both will not travel at night in this town.   They
 seem to think the problem has become worse recently.

 Here is a news story from Matamoros from just last week:


 http://www.elmananarey.com/diario/noticia/nacional/noticias/balacera:_mueren_militar_y_conductor/555276

 It says that a military official was shot to death after he stopped a
 suspicious vehicle.   Soldiers
 returned fire shooting the car at least 20 times, with 7 bullets hitting
 the driver in the chest.

 Guns are illegal in Mexico.


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[Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

2009-11-23 Thread Logan McNatt




Thanks to Peter Keyes for this
article from the Houston Chronicle.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/6733362.html




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Re: [Texascavers] [Fwd: Hunters being the hunted in Mexico]

2009-11-23 Thread Cristina Estrada
They said it is an isolated case, however, I think is good to play safe and
be careful when caving in Mexico. I don't know how dangerous is this area
(northeast), because my hometown is Hermosillo, (northwest of Mexico).

I heard stories about some small towns in my state (Sonora) being controlled
by drug dealers, that you need to be a local to get out, but I don't know
how truthfully they are

Cristina Estrada

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.comwrote:

  Thanks to Peter Keyes for this article from the Houston Chronicle.

 http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/6733362.html
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