Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] public lands encounter
You don't have to have ArcGIS to view/use the data offline (though if you do, it is a great tool). ArcGIS Explorer Desktop (Free, Esri) lets you add locally stored shapefile and GDB data. (http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/explorer-desktop) QGIS (Free, Open Source) supports locally stored shapefiles. ( http://www.qgis.org/en/site/) Bob On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Stephen Fleming via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > On 1/4/2016 14:14, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > >> I'm not sure how often the maps are updated >> > > BLM maps are updated on irregular schedules that usually are dictated by > how much needs correcting. Some maps go many years without changes. > > Generally, unless there is an active land swap ongoing (a years-long > process), or you are very near urban areas where parcels are made available > for municipal purposes or cleaning up irregular, isolated tracts hard to > efficiently manage, the accuracy tends to be good and stable. > > You also can go the the BLM GIS site, where you can see all sorts of data, > including surface ownership (with the usual caveats that 100% accuracy is > not guaranteed). > > If you want to use it offline you'll need a copy of ARCGis ($$$) but it's > an interesting site to poke around. > > Here's a couple of the many links there. > > http://www.geocommunicator.gov/GeoComm/lsis_home/home/ > http://www.geocommunicator.gov/GeoComm/whatsnew.htm > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] public lands encounter
On 1/4/2016 14:14, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm not sure how often the maps are updated BLM maps are updated on irregular schedules that usually are dictated by how much needs correcting. Some maps go many years without changes. Generally, unless there is an active land swap ongoing (a years-long process), or you are very near urban areas where parcels are made available for municipal purposes or cleaning up irregular, isolated tracts hard to efficiently manage, the accuracy tends to be good and stable. You also can go the the BLM GIS site, where you can see all sorts of data, including surface ownership (with the usual caveats that 100% accuracy is not guaranteed). If you want to use it offline you'll need a copy of ARCGis ($$$) but it's an interesting site to poke around. Here's a couple of the many links there. http://www.geocommunicator.gov/GeoComm/lsis_home/home/ http://www.geocommunicator.gov/GeoComm/whatsnew.htm ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] public lands encounter
Go right ahead and try it. There’s 27 million acres of Federal lands in New Mexico and almost 3 million in Texas; if even 10% of that acreage is BLM land with suitable grazing leases, you still might find it economically unsustainable to pay those leases by charging recreational user—especially since the recreational users aren’t accustomed to having to pay a fee to use BLM land. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On Jan 4, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers > wrote: > > oh those entitled welfare ranchers. time for recreational users to bid on > grazing leases and get the damn cows (and ranchers) off public lands > > nancy weaver > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] public lands encounter
oh those entitled welfare ranchers. time for recreational users to bid on grazing leases and get the damn cows (and ranchers) off public lands nancy weaver ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] public lands encounter
I had found this app for my iphone about a year ago: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/us-public-lands/id723185418?mt=8 I'm not sure how often the maps are updated for it, but it's handy since it will use your GPS to show you on the map where you are. I also do not know if there is an android/windows version, but hopefully it will help someone out. I also keep a copy of the BLM maps on my ipad as a backup. Thanks for sharing On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Evelyn Townsend wrote: > Hello Cavers and public land users, > > Its not just Oregon and Nevada (a December 30, 2015 story.) > > > I went to an area near the NM/Mexican border that I had been to 5-6 times > before to do some rock hounding. Almost as soon as I parked off the county > road an ATV approached me and the rancher said, “May I help you?” I said I > wanted to do some looking for rocks and she informed me that I was on > private land. I commented that I thought BLM was just across the road but > was told that no she owned about 1/2 mile in the distance. (At that point I > really wished I had brought my BLM map to verify this. My memory said yes I > probably was close to or on private land but that BLM land was close too. > My memory did prove faulty I later learned) So I agreed that I should get > my maps and check it out and in the meantime leave. > > However, I think this lady rancher needed a catharsis and I was there. > Here is an abbreviated account of the things we discussed. There were many > different topics but the main one of interest was of BLM. > > She was very unhappy with BLM management. She said the Feds were taking > over the lands.(I said I thought they traded lands but did not buy very > many new ones.) She said the Organ Mountains Monument was a shame and that > it took away and hurt the ranchers. And that wilderness and wilderness > study areas were terrible. ( I said I had seen lots of cattle in designated > wilderness areas and wilderness study areas.) She complained because BLM > would not allow ATVs to go wherever they pleased on their leased land to > check on cattle and added that my little tracker did more damage than her > ATV. (I said I had street tires on tracker and that I only drove on roads I > was confident of the tires.) She said she had owned a tracker and that it > really did good getting the kids to school in the mud. > > She thought BLM should supply the water wells on the leased lands. Did not > like having to put in own wells on leased BLM land and besides *BLM was a > self sufficient government agency entirely supported by the moneys from > leased lands, etc. *(My comment that BLM was supported by tax payers was > strongly argued as not being true. I could not argue this because at this > point I did not know how BLM was supported. I should have said that BLM > land is land set aside for public use.) She said people like me were more a > nuisance than hunters ( I strongly suspect she was a hunter.) She said that > rockhounders like myself and general public should not be allowed on the > land but that hunters were ok since they paid hunting fees. However she did > not like it when hunters used her water tanks to clean their birds, so that > she had to clean guts and feathers out. And she also pointed out the no > parking within 300 feet of water tanks , siting a photographer who broke > off the floatation device so he could picture water falls or whatever in > the desert? > > She said if her young stock broke out of her corral she would send me a > huge bill. (I said nothing but thought how very close the county road and > NM 11 was to her corral and that a loud motorcycle just driving on either > could spook her cattle if they were that wild.) > > I told her I really appreciated BLM public lands because coming from the > midwest there was none. (I have since learned there about 1440 acres of BLM > land in MN, where I don't know.) She said she loved the land and open > spaces too. She told me I should not be taking rocks off BLM land because > she could not. (That one I could argue.) I said I could take 25# of rock a > day or 250# a year rockhounding. (That is the listed limit for petrified > wood and maybe for other so called gem stones by BLM.) She did not believe > me. > > This rancher lived very close to the Mexican border and warned me about > being out alone because of kidnappings and tire stealing from parked cars > and that I should not talk to anyone speaking Spanish. ( I thought that > pretty much eliminates at least ½ the people in the area.) She wanted to > know if I had a gun with me. She really wanted me to have a gun. I said I > would not shoot anyone with it anyway. She really worried on that gun > topic. Strongly advised me to get a gun.(obviously she must have been > packing herself) > > Our conversation lasted quite a while with her doing most of the talking > trying to convince me to not use BLM lands. Our parting was amiable. > Although I did tell her that after consulting my BLM
