Re: [Texascavers] Caves in Peru
Hymm. Sounds like mines. The mines of El Zacatone were also very old and many had air billowing forth... - Original Message - From: "Ed Goff" To: "Fritz Holt" Cc: "Mark Passerby" ; "texas cavers" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caves in Peru Hmm, apparently waterfall ranking can be a contentious subject among its serious devotees See http://tinyurl.com/uxy8p and http://www.world-waterfalls.com, which ranks Gocta 15th, Tugela Falls in S. Africa 2nd, and a different Peruvian waterfall 3rd, although the pictures of that one look more like several distinct waterfalls to me, but what do I know. Ed Which water fall is number two behind Angel Falls? Fritz - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caves in Peru
Hmm, apparently waterfall ranking can be a contentious subject among its serious devotees See http://tinyurl.com/uxy8p and http://www.world-waterfalls.com, which ranks Gocta 15th, Tugela Falls in S. Africa 2nd, and a different Peruvian waterfall 3rd, although the pictures of that one look more like several distinct waterfalls to me, but what do I know. Ed > Which water fall is number two behind Angel Falls? > Fritz - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caves in Peru
Which water fall is number two behind Angel Falls? Fritz -Original Message- From: Ed Goff [mailto:eg...@rice.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:29 PM To: Mark Passerby Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caves in Peru I've been caving in the Chachapoyas area, and there's certainly a lot of great caving and archaeological potential, and cool stuff like the 3rd tallest waterfall in the world (Catarata Gocta) and the Chachapoyan fortress of Kuelap, larger and at higher elevation than Machu Picchu. Ed > I received this email today and thought I would pass it on for those > that may be interested. Feel free to post to other groups that may > have cavers interested in following up. Mark Passerby, > Cavediggers.com > > Hello Mark, > > My name is also Mark and I am an Australian who has lived in Peru for > 7-8 years now. I have traveled a LOT in this country and I have > wanted to tell someone about one of the more interesting places I > have been for quite a while now - I think you may be that person. > > 3 years ago I was traveling in the Department of Amazonas about 4 > hours from the city of Chachapoyas (there are many famous ruins/sites > being discovered there every year now). Anyway I was in the region of > Rodriguez de Mendoza - at the town of... Which is famous/known for > little else than its thermal baths (lukewarm) and organic coffee > producers. A very beautiful sub-tropical region. Whilst there I > had the good fortune to meet a farmer who, upon learning that I was > interested in ruins took me out to see some which he had on his > farm. Many, many times I have heard and seen what followed: over > the years Juan (or was it José) had come across a number of > tunnels/entrances to tunnels on his property - some of which he > showed me had very strong currents of air coming out of them. None > seemed to have a manageable entrance BUT > > The interesting thing (at least for me) was that one particular > entrance had been (obviously) filled with tonnes and tonnes of > rubble. It had been blocked up. As Juan/José told me: When the > Spaniards arrived the local people basically upped and left - > breaking any available utensils or implements they couldn`t carry so > that the Spaniards couldn`t use them - eg corn mills, stone utensils > and the like - all cleanly broken into two or three. > > Now, for me the question is WHY? Why would the go to the trouble of > blocking up tunnels with TONNES of rubble - knowing that an invader > was coming. For me there had to be a GOOD reason. > > That there are tunnels and extensive tunnels in the region is all but > undoubted. Locals often say (according to their traditions) that > many of these extend well into other provinces. Many of the > entrances are clearly visible from the road. Entrances abound but > locals DO NOT enter them - superstition? > > For a while now I have wanted to tell of this place to an > archaeologist but the very strong impression that I get of this > discipline is that it (often/frequently) breeds people with their > heads all too firmly fixed up there a***. Maybe cavers would be > interested? > > So here I am. > > My name is Mark Dikstaal. I live in Lima, Peru and I am fascinated > by the culture and history of this country. If any ¨cavers¨ you know > are coming through the region I would be VERY happy to meet up with > them and share information that I think may interest them - > especially re this. > > All the best > > Mark Dikstaal > > lang...@ee-grupoatacocha.com.pe or elhuayruro...@yahoo.es is my > other mail. > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caves in Peru
I've been caving in the Chachapoyas area, and there's certainly a lot of great caving and archaeological potential, and cool stuff like the 3rd tallest waterfall in the world (Catarata Gocta) and the Chachapoyan fortress of Kuelap, larger and at higher elevation than Machu Picchu. Ed > I received this email today and thought I would pass it on for those > that may be interested. Feel free to post to other groups that may > have cavers interested in following up. Mark Passerby, > Cavediggers.com > > Hello Mark, > > My name is also Mark and I am an Australian who has lived in Peru for > 7-8 years now. I have traveled a LOT in this country and I have > wanted to tell someone about one of the more interesting places I > have been for quite a while now � I think you may be that person. > > 3 years ago I was traveling in the Department of Amazonas about 4 > hours from the city of Chachapoyas (there are many famous ruins/sites > being discovered there every year now). Anyway I was in the region of > Rodriguez de Mendoza � at the town of��. Which is famous/known for > little else than its thermal baths (lukewarm) and organic coffee > producers. A very beautiful sub-tropical region. Whilst there I > had the good fortune to meet a farmer who, upon learning that I was > interested in ruins took me out to see some which he had on his > farm. Many, many times I have heard and seen what followed: over > the years Juan (or was it Jos�) had come across a number of > tunnels/entrances to tunnels on his property � some of which he > showed me had very strong currents of air coming out of them. None > seemed to have a manageable entrance BUT > > The interesting thing (at least for me) was that one particular > entrance had been (obviously) filled with tonnes and tonnes of > rubble. It had been blocked up. As Juan/Jos� told me: When the > Spaniards arrived the local people basically upped and left � > breaking any available utensils or implements they couldn`t carry so > that the Spaniards couldn`t use them � eg corn mills, stone utensils > and the like � all cleanly broken into two or three. > > Now, for me the question is WHY? Why would the go to the trouble of > blocking up tunnels with TONNES of rubble � knowing that an invader > was coming. For me there had to be a GOOD reason. > > That there are tunnels and extensive tunnels in the region is all but > undoubted. Locals often say (according to their traditions) that > many of these extend well into other provinces. Many of the > entrances are clearly visible from the road. Entrances abound but > locals DO NOT enter them � superstition? > > For a while now I have wanted to tell of this place to an > archaeologist but the very strong impression that I get of this > discipline is that it (often/frequently) breeds people with their > heads all too firmly fixed up there a***. Maybe cavers would be > interested? > > So here I am. > > My name is Mark Dikstaal. I live in Lima, Peru and I am fascinated > by the culture and history of this country. If any �cavers� you know > are coming through the region I would be VERY happy to meet up with > them and share information that I think may interest them � > especially re this. > > All the best > > Mark Dikstaal > > lang...@ee-grupoatacocha.com.pe or elhuayruro...@yahoo.es is my > other mail. > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Caves in Peru
I received this email today and thought I would pass it on for those that may be interested. Feel free to post to other groups that may have cavers interested in following up. Mark Passerby, Cavediggers.com Hello Mark, My name is also Mark and I am an Australian who has lived in Peru for 7-8 years now. I have traveled a LOT in this country and I have wanted to tell someone about one of the more interesting places I have been for quite a while now – I think you may be that person. 3 years ago I was traveling in the Department of Amazonas about 4 hours from the city of Chachapoyas (there are many famous ruins/sites being discovered there every year now). Anyway I was in the region of Rodriguez de Mendoza – at the town of……. Which is famous/known for little else than its thermal baths (lukewarm) and organic coffee producers. A very beautiful sub-tropical region. Whilst there I had the good fortune to meet a farmer who, upon learning that I was interested in ruins took me out to see some which he had on his farm. Many, many times I have heard and seen what followed: over the years Juan (or was it José) had come across a number of tunnels/entrances to tunnels on his property – some of which he showed me had very strong currents of air coming out of them. None seemed to have a manageable entrance BUT The interesting thing (at least for me) was that one particular entrance had been (obviously) filled with tonnes and tonnes of rubble. It had been blocked up. As Juan/José told me: When the Spaniards arrived the local people basically upped and left – breaking any available utensils or implements they couldn`t carry so that the Spaniards couldn`t use them – eg corn mills, stone utensils and the like – all cleanly broken into two or three. Now, for me the question is WHY? Why would the go to the trouble of blocking up tunnels with TONNES of rubble – knowing that an invader was coming. For me there had to be a GOOD reason. That there are tunnels and extensive tunnels in the region is all but undoubted. Locals often say (according to their traditions) that many of these extend well into other provinces. Many of the entrances are clearly visible from the road. Entrances abound but locals DO NOT enter them – superstition? For a while now I have wanted to tell of this place to an archaeologist but the very strong impression that I get of this discipline is that it (often/frequently) breeds people with their heads all too firmly fixed up there a***. Maybe cavers would be interested? So here I am. My name is Mark Dikstaal. I live in Lima, Peru and I am fascinated by the culture and history of this country. If any ¨cavers¨ you know are coming through the region I would be VERY happy to meet up with them and share information that I think may interest them – especially re this. All the best Mark Dikstaal lang...@ee-grupoatacocha.com.pe or elhuayruro...@yahoo.es is my other mail. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
