Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek

[Joe Ranzau via Texascavers]

Yes, I'll bring one

Joe Ranzau 

> On Jan 12, 2015, at 2:07 PM, "Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a refrigerator they can bring to Honeycreek for the two tank 
> haul weekends.
> 
> It needs to be least the 3' high dorm fridge or a larger one.  Space is not a 
> major issue, but it will sit outside for the two weekends.
> 
> Kurt
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[Texascavers] Honeycreek

[Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers]

Does anyone have a refrigerator they can bring to Honeycreek for the two tank 
haul weekends.

It needs to be least the 3' high dorm fridge or a larger one.  Space is not a 
major issue, but it will sit outside for the two weekends.

Kurt
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[DFWgrotto] Fwd: [Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23

[Diana Tomchick]

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kurt L. Menking" mailto:kmenk...@bcad.org>>
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: March 7, 2013 8:08:56 AM CST
To: 'Texas Cavers' 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>

There is a Honeycreek trip scheduled for March 23-24.  Andy G will be 
continuing his Salamander studies at the spring area, and David O plans to do a 
dive at the Downstream sump which we hope will be more accessible due to the 
lower water flows.  I’ll also be looking for a few teams to survey several of 
the smaller caves scattered across the property.  If you can help on the survey 
project please let me know.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.  Honeycreek cave can be 
available for through trips or other caving trips as long as they don’t 
interfere with Andy or David’s projects.

Please RSVP if you plan to attend so I have some idea of what to expect.

Kurt




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[DFWgrotto] Fwd: [Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23

[Diana Tomchick]

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kurt L. Menking" mailto:kmenk...@bcad.org>>
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23
Date: March 7, 2013 8:08:56 AM CST
To: 'Texas Cavers' 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>

There is a Honeycreek trip scheduled for March 23-24.  Andy G will be 
continuing his Salamander studies at the spring area, and David O plans to do a 
dive at the Downstream sump which we hope will be more accessible due to the 
lower water flows.  I’ll also be looking for a few teams to survey several of 
the smaller caves scattered across the property.  If you can help on the survey 
project please let me know.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.  Honeycreek cave can be 
available for through trips or other caving trips as long as they don’t 
interfere with Andy or David’s projects.

Please RSVP if you plan to attend so I have some idea of what to expect.

Kurt




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[DFWgrotto] Fwd: [Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23

[Diana Tomchick]

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kurt L. Menking" mailto:kmenk...@bcad.org>>
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: March 7, 2013 8:08:56 AM CST
To: 'Texas Cavers' 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>

There is a Honeycreek trip scheduled for March 23-24.  Andy G will be 
continuing his Salamander studies at the spring area, and David O plans to do a 
dive at the Downstream sump which we hope will be more accessible due to the 
lower water flows.  I’ll also be looking for a few teams to survey several of 
the smaller caves scattered across the property.  If you can help on the survey 
project please let me know.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.  Honeycreek cave can be 
available for through trips or other caving trips as long as they don’t 
interfere with Andy or David’s projects.

Please RSVP if you plan to attend so I have some idea of what to expect.

Kurt




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[Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23

[Kurt L. Menking]

There is a Honeycreek trip scheduled for March 23-24.  Andy G will be 
continuing his Salamander studies at the spring area, and David O plans to do a 
dive at the Downstream sump which we hope will be more accessible due to the 
lower water flows.  I'll also be looking for a few teams to survey several of 
the smaller caves scattered across the property.  If you can help on the survey 
project please let me know.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.  Honeycreek cave can be 
available for through trips or other caving trips as long as they don't 
interfere with Andy or David's projects.

Please RSVP if you plan to attend so I have some idea of what to expect.

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23

[Kurt L. Menking]

There is a Honeycreek trip scheduled for March 23-24.  Andy G will be 
continuing his Salamander studies at the spring area, and David O plans to do a 
dive at the Downstream sump which we hope will be more accessible due to the 
lower water flows.  I'll also be looking for a few teams to survey several of 
the smaller caves scattered across the property.  If you can help on the survey 
project please let me know.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.  Honeycreek cave can be 
available for through trips or other caving trips as long as they don't 
interfere with Andy or David's projects.

Please RSVP if you plan to attend so I have some idea of what to expect.

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek March 23

[Kurt L. Menking]

There is a Honeycreek trip scheduled for March 23-24.  Andy G will be 
continuing his Salamander studies at the spring area, and David O plans to do a 
dive at the Downstream sump which we hope will be more accessible due to the 
lower water flows.  I'll also be looking for a few teams to survey several of 
the smaller caves scattered across the property.  If you can help on the survey 
project please let me know.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.  Honeycreek cave can be 
available for through trips or other caving trips as long as they don't 
interfere with Andy or David's projects.

Please RSVP if you plan to attend so I have some idea of what to expect.

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7

[Kurt L. Menking]

Sorry to compete against Marvin's Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I 
received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7.  
There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on 
the property.  Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight 
pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80's but no one has been back to 
check it out.

Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property.  
He's putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. 
 Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project.

Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through 
trips, or other recreational trips.  Trips to the spring entrance will be 
restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7

[Kurt L. Menking]

Sorry to compete against Marvin's Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I 
received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7.  
There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on 
the property.  Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight 
pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80's but no one has been back to 
check it out.

Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property.  
He's putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. 
 Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project.

Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through 
trips, or other recreational trips.  Trips to the spring entrance will be 
restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7

[Kurt L. Menking]

Sorry to compete against Marvin's Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I 
received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7.  
There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on 
the property.  Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight 
pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80's but no one has been back to 
check it out.

Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property.  
He's putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. 
 Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project.

Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through 
trips, or other recreational trips.  Trips to the spring entrance will be 
restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area.

Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.

Kurt

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Mark . Alman]

Trip reports and photos for the ol' TC, anyone?

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

(Back from Gulf Shores and N'Awlins) Mark

 

 

 

 

From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

 

This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast
for rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last
week never materialized.  So I didn't have to cancel the trip.

 

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward
surveyed a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips,
nearly 50 folks did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the
spring and a film crew did some work at the spring as well.

 

The weather was cold, but when we weren't in the cave we were warm by
the fire.  The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for
several years but, but all in all I'd say they were back to normal.
Sunday morning as most folks were packing up to leave we had a fair
amount of sleet, but it didn't cause any road problems. 

 

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

 

Kurt

 

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Mark . Alman]

Trip reports and photos for the ol' TC, anyone?

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

(Back from Gulf Shores and N'Awlins) Mark

 

 

 

 

From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

 

This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast
for rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last
week never materialized.  So I didn't have to cancel the trip.

 

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward
surveyed a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips,
nearly 50 folks did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the
spring and a film crew did some work at the spring as well.

 

The weather was cold, but when we weren't in the cave we were warm by
the fire.  The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for
several years but, but all in all I'd say they were back to normal.
Sunday morning as most folks were packing up to leave we had a fair
amount of sleet, but it didn't cause any road problems. 

 

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

 

Kurt

 

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Mark . Alman]

Trip reports and photos for the ol' TC, anyone?

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

(Back from Gulf Shores and N'Awlins) Mark

 

 

 

 

From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

 

This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast
for rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last
week never materialized.  So I didn't have to cancel the trip.

 

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward
surveyed a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips,
nearly 50 folks did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the
spring and a film crew did some work at the spring as well.

 

The weather was cold, but when we weren't in the cave we were warm by
the fire.  The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for
several years but, but all in all I'd say they were back to normal.
Sunday morning as most folks were packing up to leave we had a fair
amount of sleet, but it didn't cause any road problems. 

 

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

 

Kurt

 

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Kurt L. Menking]

Andy,

I’ve noticed before most areas where the floor is white with cave ice there is 
an active dripping stalactite above (or several).  The formations that are very 
active often have a mound of cave ice below them.  I also seem big piles of 
cave ice below waterfalls.  I’ve noticed, at least in Honeycreek, cave ice 
forms much quicker in winter months.

Kurt

From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:07 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com; Kurt L. Menking
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

Kudos to Kurt!
We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond 
Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, 
despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for 
the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in various places in the cave (the 
remains of calcite rafts dashed to dust by a sudden rise in stream flow?)
Thanks for all of your effort to make these trips possible.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

From: Kurt L. Menking 
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:43 AM
This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the spring as well.

The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn’t 
cause any road problems.

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

Kurt

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Kurt L. Menking]

Andy,

I’ve noticed before most areas where the floor is white with cave ice there is 
an active dripping stalactite above (or several).  The formations that are very 
active often have a mound of cave ice below them.  I also seem big piles of 
cave ice below waterfalls.  I’ve noticed, at least in Honeycreek, cave ice 
forms much quicker in winter months.

Kurt

From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:07 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com; Kurt L. Menking
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

Kudos to Kurt!
We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond 
Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, 
despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for 
the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in various places in the cave (the 
remains of calcite rafts dashed to dust by a sudden rise in stream flow?)
Thanks for all of your effort to make these trips possible.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

From: Kurt L. Menking 
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:43 AM
This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the spring as well.

The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn’t 
cause any road problems.

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

Kurt

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Kurt L. Menking]

Andy,

I’ve noticed before most areas where the floor is white with cave ice there is 
an active dripping stalactite above (or several).  The formations that are very 
active often have a mound of cave ice below them.  I also seem big piles of 
cave ice below waterfalls.  I’ve noticed, at least in Honeycreek, cave ice 
forms much quicker in winter months.

Kurt

From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:07 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com; Kurt L. Menking
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

Kudos to Kurt!
We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond 
Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, 
despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for 
the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in various places in the cave (the 
remains of calcite rafts dashed to dust by a sudden rise in stream flow?)
Thanks for all of your effort to make these trips possible.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

From: Kurt L. Menking 
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:43 AM
This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the spring as well.

The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn’t 
cause any road problems.

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Kudos to Kurt!  
We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond 
Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, 
despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for 
the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in various places in the cave (the 
remains of calcite rafts dashed to dust by a sudden rise in stream flow?)  
Thanks for all of your effort to make these trips possible.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

From: Kurt L. Menking 
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:43 AM



 
 





This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.
 
At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the
spring as well.
 
The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing
up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn’t cause any road 
problems. 
 
As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.
 
Kurt
 

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Kudos to Kurt!  
We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond 
Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, 
despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for 
the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in various places in the cave (the 
remains of calcite rafts dashed to dust by a sudden rise in stream flow?)  
Thanks for all of your effort to make these trips possible.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

From: Kurt L. Menking 
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:43 AM



 
 





This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.
 
At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the
spring as well.
 
The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing
up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn’t cause any road 
problems. 
 
As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.
 
Kurt
 

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Kudos to Kurt!  
We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond 
Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, 
despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for 
the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in various places in the cave (the 
remains of calcite rafts dashed to dust by a sudden rise in stream flow?)  
Thanks for all of your effort to make these trips possible.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 2/13/12, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

From: Kurt L. Menking 
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:43 AM



 
 





This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.
 
At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the
spring as well.
 
The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing
up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn’t cause any road 
problems. 
 
As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.
 
Kurt
 

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[DON ARBURN]

Very cool!! 

Sent cellularly.
-Don

On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:43 AM, "Kurt L. Menking"  wrote:

> This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
> rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
> materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.
>  
> At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward 
> surveyed a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 
> 50 folks did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a 
> film crew did some work at the spring as well.
>  
> The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the 
> fire.  The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several 
> years but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning 
> as most folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it 
> didn’t cause any road problems.
>  
> As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.
>  
> Kurt
>  

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[DON ARBURN]

Very cool!! 

Sent cellularly.
-Don

On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:43 AM, "Kurt L. Menking"  wrote:

> This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
> rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
> materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.
>  
> At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward 
> surveyed a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 
> 50 folks did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a 
> film crew did some work at the spring as well.
>  
> The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the 
> fire.  The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several 
> years but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning 
> as most folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it 
> didn’t cause any road problems.
>  
> As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.
>  
> Kurt
>  

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[DON ARBURN]

Very cool!! 

Sent cellularly.
-Don

On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:43 AM, "Kurt L. Menking"  wrote:

> This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
> rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
> materialized.  So I didn’t have to cancel the trip.
>  
> At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward 
> surveyed a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 
> 50 folks did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a 
> film crew did some work at the spring as well.
>  
> The weather was cold, but when we weren’t in the cave we were warm by the 
> fire.  The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several 
> years but, but all in all I’d say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning 
> as most folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it 
> didn’t cause any road problems.
>  
> As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.
>  
> Kurt
>  

[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Kurt L. Menking]

This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn't have to cancel the trip.

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the spring as well.

The weather was cold, but when we weren't in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I'd say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn't 
cause any road problems.

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Kurt L. Menking]

This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn't have to cancel the trip.

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the spring as well.

The weather was cold, but when we weren't in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I'd say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn't 
cause any road problems.

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

[Kurt L. Menking]

This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for 
rain.  Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never 
materialized.  So I didn't have to cancel the trip.

At least 62 people came out.  Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed 
a lead in the M survey.  A few folks did grand finally trips, nearly 50 folks 
did through trips.  Andy G looked for biology at the spring and a film crew did 
some work at the spring as well.

The weather was cold, but when we weren't in the cave we were warm by the fire. 
 The water levels or flows were higher than they have been for several years 
but, but all in all I'd say they were back to normal.  Sunday morning as most 
folks were packing up to leave we had a fair amount of sleet, but it didn't 
cause any road problems.

As far as I could tell a good time was had by all.

Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Nico Escamilla]

Ediger's ordained not sure if its legal or just symbolic but he's presided
over a few marriages.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Lissa Talkington wrote:

> Is anyone in this crew Ordained?  Or have whatever legal requirement
> there is to Officiate a marriage ? =p
>
>   *From:* Kurt L. Menking 
> *To:* "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12
>
> I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips
> or other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to
> continue any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a
> leisurely swim through.
>
> Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday
> evenings.
>
> Please let me know if you're planning to attend.
>
>
> Kurt
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Nico Escamilla]

Ediger's ordained not sure if its legal or just symbolic but he's presided
over a few marriages.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Lissa Talkington wrote:

> Is anyone in this crew Ordained?  Or have whatever legal requirement
> there is to Officiate a marriage ? =p
>
>   *From:* Kurt L. Menking 
> *To:* "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12
>
> I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips
> or other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to
> continue any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a
> leisurely swim through.
>
> Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday
> evenings.
>
> Please let me know if you're planning to attend.
>
>
> Kurt
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Nico Escamilla]

Ediger's ordained not sure if its legal or just symbolic but he's presided
over a few marriages.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Lissa Talkington wrote:

> Is anyone in this crew Ordained?  Or have whatever legal requirement
> there is to Officiate a marriage ? =p
>
>   *From:* Kurt L. Menking 
> *To:* "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12
>
> I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips
> or other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to
> continue any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a
> leisurely swim through.
>
> Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday
> evenings.
>
> Please let me know if you're planning to attend.
>
>
> Kurt
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Lissa Talkington]

Is anyone in this crew Ordained?  Or have whatever legal requirement there is 
to Officiate a marriage ? =p


From: Kurt L. Menking 
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips or 
other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to continue 
any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a leisurely swim 
through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Lissa Talkington]

Is anyone in this crew Ordained?  Or have whatever legal requirement there is 
to Officiate a marriage ? =p


From: Kurt L. Menking 
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips or 
other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to continue 
any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a leisurely swim 
through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Lissa Talkington]

Is anyone in this crew Ordained?  Or have whatever legal requirement there is 
to Officiate a marriage ? =p


From: Kurt L. Menking 
To: "Texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips or 
other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to continue 
any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a leisurely swim 
through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Mark . Alman]

Someone who attends needs to write up a dagburn trip report. 

One from a "newbie" to Honeycreek would be especially enjoyable.


Spanning the globe in search of "stuff" for the next TC.


Thanks!

Mark




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From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive
trips or other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel
free to continue any survey leads you remember from years past, or just
do a leisurely swim through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday
evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Mark . Alman]

Someone who attends needs to write up a dagburn trip report. 

One from a "newbie" to Honeycreek would be especially enjoyable.


Spanning the globe in search of "stuff" for the next TC.


Thanks!

Mark




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From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive
trips or other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel
free to continue any survey leads you remember from years past, or just
do a leisurely swim through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday
evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Mark . Alman]

Someone who attends needs to write up a dagburn trip report. 

One from a "newbie" to Honeycreek would be especially enjoyable.


Spanning the globe in search of "stuff" for the next TC.


Thanks!

Mark




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From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:32 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive
trips or other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel
free to continue any survey leads you remember from years past, or just
do a leisurely swim through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday
evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Kurt L. Menking]

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips or 
other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to continue 
any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a leisurely swim 
through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Kurt L. Menking]

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips or 
other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to continue 
any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a leisurely swim 
through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip Feb 11-12

[Kurt L. Menking]

I've set up a trip to Honeycreek Cave for Feb 11-12.  No major dive trips or 
other projects planned yet, but all comers are welcome.  Feel free to continue 
any survey leads you remember from years past, or just do a leisurely swim 
through.

Camping will be available at the shaft entrance Friday and Saturday evenings.

Please let me know if you're planning to attend.


Kurt

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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek

[Heather Tucek]

Andy Gluesenkamp was a leader too...
And apparently Leah had a great birthday in the cave!



On 2 February 2011 15:47, ellie :)  wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who came out...it was a blast! I even got to introduce
> my best friend from Arkansas to Texas Caving this weekend :)
>
> Here is a link to a panoramic entrance photo from this weekend taken by
> Galen Falgout:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bYivM1E31ptTjrkpwk7ftA?feat=directlink
>
> Thanks so much to the following folks for leading trips:
> Kurt Menking
> Heather Tucek
> Andy Zenker
> Sandy Calhoun
> Drew Wendeborn
> Geary Schindel
> Rob Bissett
> Tom Florer
> Aarron Wertheim
> Gary Franklin
>
> Of the 83 cavers who signed in to the cave on Saturday, Patrick Olsen from
> Austin, Texas was the only poor guy who didn't sign out and I am posting
> names as promised.
>
> Ellie
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
>
>>  My hats off to Ellie for getting the word out and motivating cavers from
>> all over the state to come out to Honeycreek cave this weekend.  Don Brusard
>> and Kitty, and others helped run the tractor to get everyone in and out
>> safely.  It was largely a cat hearding exercise Saturday morning, but once
>> everyone was in the cave everything seemed to go smoothly.
>>
>>
>>
>> We had 83 people go caving in Honeycreek Saturday.  83 people signed the
>> log sheet, and 82 people signed out.  The one who didn’t sign out was hunted
>> down by cell phone and tongue lashed appropriately.  We also had at least
>> 3-6 surface people out during the day, so we had very close to 90 folks on
>> the property.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t know the exact numbers but about 60 folks did through trips.  Half
>> went in at the spring, and half went in at the shaft.  The groups were
>> staggered and while there were a few bottle necks here and there they were
>> not a big deal.  One group did the through trip in 2 hours and 45 minutes.
>> And one of those guys had only one flipper (he was the one setting the
>> blistering pace).
>>
>>
>>
>> Another large group did the trip up the QA to the pretty walking section.
>>
>>
>>
>> And Ed, Mallory, Ellie, and others did the push to the end of the Mile
>> Crawl passage.
>>
>>
>>
>> All in all a great weekend.  I‘m not sure we had this many people in the
>> cave at TCR.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know lots of photos were taken, so some of you need to send Mark your
>> pics with a trip report.  It was an epic weekend.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>
>


-- 
Go find out!
-Heather Tuček
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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek

[ellie :)]

Thanks to everyone who came out...it was a blast! I even got to introduce my
best friend from Arkansas to Texas Caving this weekend :)

Here is a link to a panoramic entrance photo from this weekend taken by
Galen Falgout:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bYivM1E31ptTjrkpwk7ftA?feat=directlink

Thanks so much to the following folks for leading trips:
Kurt Menking
Heather Tucek
Andy Zenker
Sandy Calhoun
Drew Wendeborn
Geary Schindel
Rob Bissett
Tom Florer
Aarron Wertheim
Gary Franklin

Of the 83 cavers who signed in to the cave on Saturday, Patrick Olsen from
Austin, Texas was the only poor guy who didn't sign out and I am posting
names as promised.

Ellie

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

>  My hats off to Ellie for getting the word out and motivating cavers from
> all over the state to come out to Honeycreek cave this weekend.  Don Brusard
> and Kitty, and others helped run the tractor to get everyone in and out
> safely.  It was largely a cat hearding exercise Saturday morning, but once
> everyone was in the cave everything seemed to go smoothly.
>
>
>
> We had 83 people go caving in Honeycreek Saturday.  83 people signed the
> log sheet, and 82 people signed out.  The one who didn’t sign out was hunted
> down by cell phone and tongue lashed appropriately.  We also had at least
> 3-6 surface people out during the day, so we had very close to 90 folks on
> the property.
>
>
>
> I don’t know the exact numbers but about 60 folks did through trips.  Half
> went in at the spring, and half went in at the shaft.  The groups were
> staggered and while there were a few bottle necks here and there they were
> not a big deal.  One group did the through trip in 2 hours and 45 minutes.
> And one of those guys had only one flipper (he was the one setting the
> blistering pace).
>
>
>
> Another large group did the trip up the QA to the pretty walking section.
>
>
>
> And Ed, Mallory, Ellie, and others did the push to the end of the Mile
> Crawl passage.
>
>
>
> All in all a great weekend.  I‘m not sure we had this many people in the
> cave at TCR.
>
>
>
> I know lots of photos were taken, so some of you need to send Mark your
> pics with a trip report.  It was an epic weekend.
>
>
>
> Kurt
>

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek

[Mark . Alman]

Thanks, Kurt!

 

 

Make it quick, y'all!  I still have space and y'all still have time!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:21 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek

 

My hats off to Ellie for getting the word out and motivating cavers from
all over the state to come out to Honeycreek cave this weekend.  Don
Brusard and Kitty, and others helped run the tractor to get everyone in
and out safely.  It was largely a cat hearding exercise Saturday
morning, but once everyone was in the cave everything seemed to go
smoothly.

 

We had 83 people go caving in Honeycreek Saturday.  83 people signed the
log sheet, and 82 people signed out.  The one who didn't sign out was
hunted down by cell phone and tongue lashed appropriately.  We also had
at least 3-6 surface people out during the day, so we had very close to
90 folks on the property.

 

I don't know the exact numbers but about 60 folks did through trips.
Half went in at the spring, and half went in at the shaft.  The groups
were staggered and while there were a few bottle necks here and there
they were not a big deal.  One group did the through trip in 2 hours and
45 minutes.  And one of those guys had only one flipper (he was the one
setting the blistering pace).

 

Another large group did the trip up the QA to the pretty walking
section.

 

And Ed, Mallory, Ellie, and others did the push to the end of the Mile
Crawl passage.

 

All in all a great weekend.  I'm not sure we had this many people in the
cave at TCR.

 

I know lots of photos were taken, so some of you need to send Mark your
pics with a trip report.  It was an epic weekend.

 

Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek

[caverarch]

Great news, and congratulations to everyone involved Events like this are just 
what is needed to keep Texas caving (or caving anywhere) going strong.


Roger Moore
Greater Houston Grotto





-Original Message-
From: Kurt L. Menking 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:21 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek



My hats off to Ellie for getting the word out and motivating cavers from all 
over the state to come out to Honeycreek cave this weekend.  Don Brusard and 
Kitty, and others helped run the tractor to get everyone in and out safely.  It 
was largely a cat hearding exercise Saturday morning, but once everyone was in 
the cave everything seemed to go smoothly.
 
We had 83 people go caving in Honeycreek Saturday.  83 people signed the log 
sheet, and 82 people signed out.  The one who didn’t sign out was hunted down 
by cell phone and tongue lashed appropriately.  We also had at least 3-6 
surface people out during the day, so we had very close to 90 folks on the 
property.
 
I don’t know the exact numbers but about 60 folks did through trips.  Half went 
in at the spring, and half went in at the shaft.  The groups were staggered and 
while there were a few bottle necks here and there they were not a big deal.  
One group did the through trip in 2 hours and 45 minutes.  And one of those 
guys had only one flipper (he was the one setting the blistering pace).
 
Another large group did the trip up the QA to the pretty walking section.
 
And Ed, Mallory, Ellie, and others did the push to the end of the Mile Crawl 
passage.
 
All in all a great weekend.  I‘m not sure we had this many people in the cave 
at TCR.
 
I know lots of photos were taken, so some of you need to send Mark your pics 
with a trip report.  It was an epic weekend.
 
Kurt

 

[Texascavers] Honeycreek

[Kurt L. Menking]

My hats off to Ellie for getting the word out and motivating cavers from all 
over the state to come out to Honeycreek cave this weekend.  Don Brusard and 
Kitty, and others helped run the tractor to get everyone in and out safely.  It 
was largely a cat hearding exercise Saturday morning, but once everyone was in 
the cave everything seemed to go smoothly.

We had 83 people go caving in Honeycreek Saturday.  83 people signed the log 
sheet, and 82 people signed out.  The one who didn't sign out was hunted down 
by cell phone and tongue lashed appropriately.  We also had at least 3-6 
surface people out during the day, so we had very close to 90 folks on the 
property.

I don't know the exact numbers but about 60 folks did through trips.  Half went 
in at the spring, and half went in at the shaft.  The groups were staggered and 
while there were a few bottle necks here and there they were not a big deal.  
One group did the through trip in 2 hours and 45 minutes.  And one of those 
guys had only one flipper (he was the one setting the blistering pace).

Another large group did the trip up the QA to the pretty walking section.

And Ed, Mallory, Ellie, and others did the push to the end of the Mile Crawl 
passage.

All in all a great weekend.  I'm not sure we had this many people in the cave 
at TCR.

I know lots of photos were taken, so some of you need to send Mark your pics 
with a trip report.  It was an epic weekend.

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek trip canceled

[Kurt L. Menking]

With much regret I am canceling the Honeycreek trip scheduled for Sept
18-19th.  It's a damn shame since over 40 cavers from around the state
said they were coming.

 

Over the past few days Hermine has dumped 6-8 inches over the entire
Honeycreek water shed, and some areas were even more.  The Cibolo creek
in Boerne which normally runs 10-12 cubic ft/sec peaked yesterday at
about 3000 cfs, and it's still at about 800 cfs.  That area of the
Cibolo and the sinks in the fair oaks area are major contributors to the
HC flows in the back of the cave.  These flood pulses generally take 3-5
days to peak in the cave after a rain like this, and 3-4 weeks or longer
for water levels to get back to normal.

 

There is also a USGS stream and rain gauge downstream of the cave on
Honeycreek that shows a 2' rise in the creek, and over 6 inches of rain
fall in the past 2 days.

 

Deer hunting season for Comal county begins Oct 2 for bow and arrow and
extends until mid January, so we'll have to stay off of the ranch during
that time.   We'll shoot for a march-april time frame for another
attempt at this trip.

 

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Sept 18th

[Kurt L. Menking]

A few cavers have asked me to set up another Honeycreek trip for this
fall, and the owner just got back to me with the approval.  The trip is
planned for Sept 17-19 weekend.  Camping is available Friday and
Saturday nights at the shaft entrance.

 

There is NO TANK HAUL scheduled so come out and have a good time.  Those
that have only seen that part of the cave should come out and see the
good stuff.

 

Through trips will be available as well as all other parts of the cave.
Survey trips are encouraged if you want to pick up where you left off in
another lifetime.

 

Please let me know if you're coming so I'll know what to expect.

 

Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Canceled

[Andy Zenker]

I had in my notes that there would be a Honey Creek through trip in the
fall.  Is this what is cancelled?
I haven't been there yet and would like to do a through trip one day.

Andy

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

>  I don’t know how far the Oct 10-11 Honeycreek trip announcement traveled,
> but it has been canceled.
>
>
>
> We all forgot it was archery season beginning this weekend, and the hunters
> will be on the HC property.  I did get the OK from the owner in mid Sept,
> but she forgot as well.
>
>
>
> Kurt
>
>
>

[Texascavers] Honeycreek Canceled

[Kurt L. Menking]

I don't know how far the Oct 10-11 Honeycreek trip announcement
traveled, but it has been canceled.

 

We all forgot it was archery season beginning this weekend, and the
hunters will be on the HC property.  I did get the OK from the owner in
mid Sept, but she forgot as well.

 

Kurt

 

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics

[Louise Power]

Diana,

 

Just remember, you could always use those candles for your third source of 
light (remember the days?) when your carbide runs out.

 

Louise
 
> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> From: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> To: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:49:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics
> 
> Ha ha ha, the best part of this discussion is that while we waited for 
> 9 hours for the divers, we burned just about every scented candle that 
> Mallory had purchased at a Bath and Body Works blowout sale! Not only 
> did we have stale air from nasty smelling wet suits and heavily 
> breathing sherpas, it was intermingled with the enticing aromas of 
> "Butterfly Garden" and "Sweet Pea." In addition to adding heat to our 
> trash sacks to keep us warm, the candles also did an OK job of letting 
> us know that there really wasn't that much CO2 in the passage.
> 
> Mallory packed up most of the candle stubs before we left; on the way 
> out of the cave, every time we'd come to a low spot in the ceiling, I 
> could smell those frickin' candles again. I suppose that those scents 
> will always remind me of this particular tank haul trip.
> 
> Diana
> 
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:08 PM, David wrote:
> 
> > If you have 20 something cavers in a small passage with bad air
> > breathing heavily
> > for 9 hours, do expect the oxygen level to improve or get worse ?
> >
> > I propose future trips take precautionary measures and release some 
> > oxygen
> > into the passage.
> >
> > It would be little use to install a big fan and flexible conduit to
> > force some air into the shaft entrance
> > because the air would distribute evenly throughout the whole cave and
> > it would also block the entrance
> > from easy in and out trips.
> >
> > Also,
> >
> > A tiny air shaft could be drilled, that could also be used to lower
> > the diving gear into the room where
> > the divers suit up at.
> >
> > Even a 3 inch diameter shaft would be helpful, because you could lower
> > a telephone cable, or pump
> > oxygen into the room, lower emergency food and water, etc.
> >
> > I propose a 3 inch shaft be drilled to confirm the exact location of
> > the 1st sump, and then use the
> > diver's survey to mark the surface where the cave is going.
> >
> >
> > I would also like to propose that the TSA, TCMA, and every Texas caver
> > unite behind a single goal, and
> > I believe that goal should be to finish the map of Honeycreek. (
> > after ICS of course )
> >
> > I hope I live long enough to see the TCMA acquire the Shaft Entrance
> > and at least some sort of permanent
> > access agreement to the Natural Entrance, like an easement.
> >
> > David Locklear
> > caver in Fort Bend County
> >
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> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B 
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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics

[Mallory Mayeux]

I think this is a great discussion to be having for a different situation,
and it's definitely been proven that man-made entrances in caves change
airflow, dynamics, etc. and is not the best solution to bad-air problems.

However, I really think it's unnecessary to be having this discussion about
Honey Creek this weekend, as those of us who were down there will agree that
the air there REALLY wasn't that bad...a little thin at worst. Calling the
sump a "bad air passage" makes it sound like we did something dangerous or
unsafe, when everyone down there was 100% OK the entire time. It's
discussions like this, taken out of context, that give cavers a bad name and
causes unnecessary worry.

Mallory Mayeux

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Louise Power wrote:

> Before you consider something like this, you might want to look into
> Carlsbad Caverns findings on their various shafts like the elevator shaft. I
> know 3" doesn't sound like much, but it will change the dynamics of the
> cave. Maybe this situation simply means 20 plus cavers shouldn't be in
> this bad-air passage at the same time.
>
> > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:08:24 -0500
> > From: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics
>
> >
> > If you have 20 something cavers in a small passage with bad air
> > breathing heavily
> > for 9 hours, do expect the oxygen level to improve or get worse ?
> >
> > I propose future trips take precautionary measures and release some
> oxygen
> > into the passage.
> >
> > It would be little use to install a big fan and flexible conduit to
> > force some air into the shaft entrance
> > because the air would distribute evenly throughout the whole cave and
> > it would also block the entrance
> > from easy in and out trips.
> >
> > Also,
> >
> > A tiny air shaft could be drilled, that could also be used to lower
> > the diving gear into the room where
> > the divers suit up at.
> >
> > Even a 3 inch diameter shaft would be helpful, because you could lower
> > a telephone cable, or pump
> > oxygen into the room, lower emergency food and water, etc.
> >
> > I propose a 3 inch shaft be drilled to confirm the exact location of
> > the 1st sump, and then use the
> > diver's survey to mark the surface where the cave is going.
> >
> >
> > I would also like to propose that the TSA, TCMA, and every Texas caver
> > unite behind a single goal, and
> > I believe that goal should be to finish the map of Honeycreek. (
> > after ICS of course )
> >
> > I hope I live long enough to see the TCMA acquire the Shaft Entrance
> > and at least some sort of permanent
> > access agreement to the Natural Entrance, like an easement.
> >
> > David Locklear
> > caver in Fort Bend County
> >
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RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics

[Louise Power]

Before you consider something like this, you might want to look into Carlsbad 
Caverns findings on their various shafts like the elevator shaft. I know 3" 
doesn't sound like much, but it will change the dynamics of the cave. Maybe 
this situation simply means 20 plus cavers shouldn't be in this bad-air passage 
at the same time.
 
> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:08:24 -0500
> From: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics
> 
> If you have 20 something cavers in a small passage with bad air
> breathing heavily
> for 9 hours, do expect the oxygen level to improve or get worse ?
> 
> I propose future trips take precautionary measures and release some oxygen
> into the passage.
> 
> It would be little use to install a big fan and flexible conduit to
> force some air into the shaft entrance
> because the air would distribute evenly throughout the whole cave and
> it would also block the entrance
> from easy in and out trips.
> 
> Also,
> 
> A tiny air shaft could be drilled, that could also be used to lower
> the diving gear into the room where
> the divers suit up at.
> 
> Even a 3 inch diameter shaft would be helpful, because you could lower
> a telephone cable, or pump
> oxygen into the room, lower emergency food and water, etc.
> 
> I propose a 3 inch shaft be drilled to confirm the exact location of
> the 1st sump, and then use the
> diver's survey to mark the surface where the cave is going.
> 
> 
> I would also like to propose that the TSA, TCMA, and every Texas caver
> unite behind a single goal, and
> I believe that goal should be to finish the map of Honeycreek. (
> after ICS of course )
> 
> I hope I live long enough to see the TCMA acquire the Shaft Entrance
> and at least some sort of permanent
> access agreement to the Natural Entrance, like an easement.
> 
> David Locklear
> caver in Fort Bend County
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics

[ellie :)]

Yeah, it really pissed me off when the track lighting failed. The
disco ball at the shower stall wasn't working this time, can someone
see about getting that replaced? Also, we need to replace the freon in
the beer fridge at the sump as well as restock, there are only cans
left and I need bottles.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
> LOL! For those who weren't on the tank haul I feel like I need to explain
> myself:
>
> On the January tank haul, I was told to bring a candle to keep warm, along
> w/ a trash bag. The only candle I happened to have lying around the house
> was a Bath & Body works "Moonlight Path" candle, which I brought and was the
> subject of many jokes and much laughter. Truthfully, it seemed other cavers
> loved it or hated it.
>
> I was going to get regular candles this go-round, but Bill loved the scented
> candle concept so much I packed a nalgene full of various scented candles to
> amuse him, and was going to offer him a choice of scents and light ONE
> candle in the passage. However, we ended up waiting almost 9 hours, so we
> ended up burning all six! In addition to "sweet pea" and "Butterfly garden"
> we also had "Fresh Bamboo", "Warm Vanilla Sugar", "Raspberry Citrus," and
> another one I can't recall...seemed most cavers would rather put up w/ a
> supersweet stench than get too cold
>
> If/When we ever do a tank haul again, I'll have to bring plain candles for
> variety. :)
>
> On the other hand...if I ever "pull a Puppy" and pass up the shaft, Diana &
> co. can track me & my scented candles down fairly easily
>
> Mallory
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Diana Tomchick
>  wrote:
>>
>> Ha ha ha, the best part of this discussion is that while we waited for 9
>> hours for the divers, we burned just about every scented candle that Mallory
>> had purchased at a Bath and Body Works blowout sale! Not only did we have
>> stale air from nasty smelling wet suits and heavily breathing sherpas, it
>> was intermingled with the enticing aromas of "Butterfly Garden" and "Sweet
>> Pea." In addition to adding heat to our trash sacks to keep us warm, the
>> candles also did an OK job of letting us know that there really wasn't that
>> much CO2 in the passage.
>>
>> Mallory packed up most of the candle stubs before we left; on the way out
>> of the cave, every time we'd come to a low spot in the ceiling, I could
>> smell those frickin' candles again. I suppose that those scents will always
>> remind me of this particular tank haul trip.
>>
>> Diana
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:08 PM, David wrote:
>>
>>> If you have 20 something cavers in a small passage with bad air
>>> breathing heavily
>>> for 9 hours, do expect the oxygen level to improve or get worse  ?
>>>
>>> I propose future trips take precautionary measures and release some
>>> oxygen
>>> into the passage.
>>>
>>> It would be little use to install a big fan and flexible conduit to
>>> force some air into the shaft entrance
>>> because the air would distribute evenly throughout the whole cave and
>>> it would also block the entrance
>>> from easy in and out trips.
>>>
>>> Also,
>>>
>>> A tiny air shaft could be drilled, that could also be used to lower
>>> the diving gear into the room where
>>> the divers suit up at.
>>>
>>> Even a 3 inch diameter shaft would be helpful, because you could lower
>>> a telephone cable, or pump
>>> oxygen into the room, lower emergency food and water, etc.
>>>
>>> I propose a 3 inch shaft be drilled to confirm the exact location of
>>> the 1st sump, and then use the
>>> diver's survey to mark the surface where the cave is going.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would also like to propose that the TSA, TCMA, and every Texas caver
>>> unite behind a single goal, and
>>> I believe that goal should be to finish the map of Honeycreek.   (
>>> after ICS of course )
>>>
>>> I hope I live long enough to see the TCMA acquire the Shaft Entrance
>>> and at least some sort of permanent
>>> access agreement to the Natural Entrance, like an easement.
>>>
>>> David Locklear
>>> caver in Fort Bend County
>>>
>>> -
>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
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>>
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>> Associate Professor
>> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
>> Department of Biochemistry
>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>> Rm. ND10.214B
>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
>> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>> 214-645-6383 (phone)
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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics

[Mallory Mayeux]

LOL! For those who weren't on the tank haul I feel like I need to explain
myself:

On the January tank haul, I was told to bring a candle to keep warm, along
w/ a trash bag. The only candle I happened to have lying around the house
was a Bath & Body works "Moonlight Path" candle, which I brought and was the
subject of many jokes and much laughter. Truthfully, it seemed other cavers
loved it or hated it.

I was going to get regular candles this go-round, but Bill loved the scented
candle concept so much I packed a nalgene full of various scented candles to
amuse him, and was going to offer him a choice of scents and light ONE
candle in the passage. However, we ended up waiting almost 9 hours, so we
ended up burning all six! In addition to "sweet pea" and "Butterfly garden"
we also had "Fresh Bamboo", "Warm Vanilla Sugar", "Raspberry Citrus," and
another one I can't recall...seemed most cavers would rather put up w/ a
supersweet stench than get too cold

If/When we ever do a tank haul again, I'll have to bring plain candles for
variety. :)

On the other hand...if I ever "pull a Puppy" and pass up the shaft, Diana &
co. can track me & my scented candles down fairly easily

Mallory

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Diana Tomchick <
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:

> Ha ha ha, the best part of this discussion is that while we waited for 9
> hours for the divers, we burned just about every scented candle that Mallory
> had purchased at a Bath and Body Works blowout sale! Not only did we have
> stale air from nasty smelling wet suits and heavily breathing sherpas, it
> was intermingled with the enticing aromas of "Butterfly Garden" and "Sweet
> Pea." In addition to adding heat to our trash sacks to keep us warm, the
> candles also did an OK job of letting us know that there really wasn't that
> much CO2 in the passage.
>
> Mallory packed up most of the candle stubs before we left; on the way out
> of the cave, every time we'd come to a low spot in the ceiling, I could
> smell those frickin' candles again. I suppose that those scents will always
> remind me of this particular tank haul trip.
>
> Diana
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:08 PM, David wrote:
>
> If you have 20 something cavers in a small passage with bad air
>> breathing heavily
>> for 9 hours, do expect the oxygen level to improve or get worse  ?
>>
>> I propose future trips take precautionary measures and release some oxygen
>> into the passage.
>>
>> It would be little use to install a big fan and flexible conduit to
>> force some air into the shaft entrance
>> because the air would distribute evenly throughout the whole cave and
>> it would also block the entrance
>> from easy in and out trips.
>>
>> Also,
>>
>> A tiny air shaft could be drilled, that could also be used to lower
>> the diving gear into the room where
>> the divers suit up at.
>>
>> Even a 3 inch diameter shaft would be helpful, because you could lower
>> a telephone cable, or pump
>> oxygen into the room, lower emergency food and water, etc.
>>
>> I propose a 3 inch shaft be drilled to confirm the exact location of
>> the 1st sump, and then use the
>> diver's survey to mark the surface where the cave is going.
>>
>>
>> I would also like to propose that the TSA, TCMA, and every Texas caver
>> unite behind a single goal, and
>> I believe that goal should be to finish the map of Honeycreek.   (
>> after ICS of course )
>>
>> I hope I live long enough to see the TCMA acquire the Shaft Entrance
>> and at least some sort of permanent
>> access agreement to the Natural Entrance, like an easement.
>>
>> David Locklear
>> caver in Fort Bend County
>>
>> -
>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
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> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
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Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics

[Diana Tomchick]

Ha ha ha, the best part of this discussion is that while we waited for  
9 hours for the divers, we burned just about every scented candle that  
Mallory had purchased at a Bath and Body Works blowout sale! Not only  
did we have stale air from nasty smelling wet suits and heavily  
breathing sherpas, it was intermingled with the enticing aromas of  
"Butterfly Garden" and "Sweet Pea." In addition to adding heat to our  
trash sacks to keep us warm, the candles also did an OK job of letting  
us know that there really wasn't that much CO2 in the passage.


Mallory packed up most of the candle stubs before we left; on the way  
out of the cave, every time we'd come to a low spot in the ceiling, I  
could smell those frickin' candles again. I suppose that those scents  
will always remind me of this particular tank haul trip.


Diana

On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:08 PM, David wrote:


If you have 20 something cavers in a small passage with bad air
breathing heavily
for 9 hours, do expect the oxygen level to improve or get worse  ?

I propose future trips take precautionary measures and release some  
oxygen

into the passage.

It would be little use to install a big fan and flexible conduit to
force some air into the shaft entrance
because the air would distribute evenly throughout the whole cave and
it would also block the entrance
from easy in and out trips.

Also,

A tiny air shaft could be drilled, that could also be used to lower
the diving gear into the room where
the divers suit up at.

Even a 3 inch diameter shaft would be helpful, because you could lower
a telephone cable, or pump
oxygen into the room, lower emergency food and water, etc.

I propose a 3 inch shaft be drilled to confirm the exact location of
the 1st sump, and then use the
diver's survey to mark the surface where the cave is going.


I would also like to propose that the TSA, TCMA, and every Texas caver
unite behind a single goal, and
I believe that goal should be to finish the map of Honeycreek.   (
after ICS of course )

I hope I live long enough to see the TCMA acquire the Shaft Entrance
and at least some sort of permanent
access agreement to the Natural Entrance, like an easement.

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County

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University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.   
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
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[Texascavers] Honeycreek Cave air and related topics

[David]

If you have 20 something cavers in a small passage with bad air
breathing heavily
for 9 hours, do expect the oxygen level to improve or get worse  ?

I propose future trips take precautionary measures and release some oxygen
into the passage.

It would be little use to install a big fan and flexible conduit to
force some air into the shaft entrance
because the air would distribute evenly throughout the whole cave and
it would also block the entrance
from easy in and out trips.

Also,

A tiny air shaft could be drilled, that could also be used to lower
the diving gear into the room where
the divers suit up at.

Even a 3 inch diameter shaft would be helpful, because you could lower
a telephone cable, or pump
oxygen into the room, lower emergency food and water, etc.

I propose a 3 inch shaft be drilled to confirm the exact location of
the 1st sump, and then use the
diver's survey to mark the surface where the cave is going.


I would also like to propose that the TSA, TCMA, and every Texas caver
unite behind a single goal, and
I believe that goal should be to finish the map of Honeycreek.   (
after ICS of course )

I hope I live long enough to see the TCMA acquire the Shaft Entrance
and at least some sort of permanent
access agreement to the Natural Entrance, like an easement.

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County

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[Allcavers] Fwd: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip May 8-10

[Diana Tomchick]

Begin forwarded message:


From: "Kurt L. Menking" 
Date: May 1, 2009 7:54:21 AM CDT
To: 
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip May 8-10

For those who haven’t heard there is a Honeycreek work weekend  
scheduled for the weekend of May 8-10.  We will be camping at the  
spring beginning Friday evening.


The focus for the weekend will be taking down the cables, and some  
old fencing near the spring entrance.  The owner also would like us  
to pile up the debris collected along the fences so it can be burned  
when the burn ban is lifted.  If we are able to burn, we’ll have one  
heck of a bon-fire.  If there are extra people available I'm sure  
there are other areas that need brush cutting.  I'd say bring  
gloves, chain saws (if you have one), and loppers.  Some extra tow  
chain would be nice as well since we'll be using multiple tractors  
to move the cables, and large tree trunks that are against the cables.


Since this is primarily a work weekend, I'd say all are welcome  
(even novices).  Most of Saturday will be reserved for the work  
projects, but we'll shut down by 4pm or earlier, and those who want  
to go in the cave with appropriate team leaders will be turned  
loose.  There have been several requests for through trips, QA  
trips, etc.  But don't show up late Saturday afternoon so you miss  
all the work, and expect to go caving.


Saturday evening, and Sunday morning will also be available for trip  
leader training for ICS team leaders.  Bill and I, and possibly  
others will be leading several groups Saturday evening and probably  
Sunday morning to different areas from the shaft entrance, since all  
ICS trips will use only the shaft entrance.


We need about 25-30 cavers to help lead trips to HC during the ICS  
convention.  ICS trips to HC are scheduled for July 19,22,23,25.   
This is your chance to meet new cavers, make new friends, and share  
one of Texas’ best and its longest cave with others from all over  
the nation and world.  Contact Bill Steele or Myself if you want to  
help lead ICS trips to Honeycreek.


Kurt


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Department of Biochemistry
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[Texascavers] Honeycreek trip May 8-10

[Kurt L. Menking]

For those who haven't heard there is a Honeycreek work weekend scheduled
for the weekend of May 8-10.  We will be camping at the spring beginning
Friday evening.

 

The focus for the weekend will be taking down the cables, and some old
fencing near the spring entrance.  The owner also would like us to pile
up the debris collected along the fences so it can be burned when the
burn ban is lifted.  If we are able to burn, we'll have one heck of a
bon-fire.  If there are extra people available I'm sure there are other
areas that need brush cutting.  I'd say bring gloves, chain saws (if you
have one), and loppers.  Some extra tow chain would be nice as well
since we'll be using multiple tractors to move the cables, and large
tree trunks that are against the cables.

 

Since this is primarily a work weekend, I'd say all are welcome (even
novices).  Most of Saturday will be reserved for the work projects, but
we'll shut down by 4pm or earlier, and those who want to go in the cave
with appropriate team leaders will be turned loose.  There have been
several requests for through trips, QA trips, etc.  But don't show up
late Saturday afternoon so you miss all the work, and expect to go
caving.

 

Saturday evening, and Sunday morning will also be available for trip
leader training for ICS team leaders.  Bill and I, and possibly others
will be leading several groups Saturday evening and probably Sunday
morning to different areas from the shaft entrance, since all ICS trips
will use only the shaft entrance.

 

We need about 25-30 cavers to help lead trips to HC during the ICS
convention.  ICS trips to HC are scheduled for July 19,22,23,25.  This
is your chance to meet new cavers, make new friends, and share one of
Texas' best and its longest cave with others from all over the nation
and world.  Contact Bill Steele or Myself if you want to help lead ICS
trips to Honeycreek.

 

Kurt

[Texascavers] Honeycreek cave owner dies

[Kurt L. Menking]

 Johnny
Gass the owner of Honeycreek Cave died peacefully in his sleep last
night.
For those wishing to pay their respects:
Viewing will be 6-7pm, Oct 30 at the St Josephs of Honeycreek Church,
25781 Highway 46 W, Spring Branch, TX 78070.
The Funeral Mass will be 11am, Oct 31 at the St Josephs of Honeycreek
Church.
Map to the church can be found at:
http://www.stjoseph-honeycreek.com/map.htm