[Texascavers] How to filter

[Dwight Deal]

quincea~nera

Preston's accurate description of the problems of excess we have had at the 
Huntsville facility (which I was unaware of) put a rather different twist than 
I intended on my factitious comments to David. From David's report I actually 
envisioned a traditional family celebration (in spite of David's personal 
discomfort) that should have given the echo-chamber folks a different, 
eye-opening, and generally enjoyable (if loud), experience in Hispanic culture. 
 My fond hope was that they would realize how good, caring, and fun-loving most 
Hispanics are --- just like the rest of us.  THAT's the Real Facts. Not all 
"rapists and murders" as the Trumpites espouse. 


Joe Ranzau (thank you Joe) was proper to point out how public a forum this is. 
It is really a mistake to forget that you are not talking to someone 
face-to-face where they can see your grin as you toss out a derogatory comment 
to make the opposite point.


I regret my tone and poor choice of words. I will definitely be more thoughtful 
and careful in the future.


Back to caves and caving.


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Re: [Texascavers] How to filter certain people on this forum

[Julia Germany]

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On Sep 29, 2019, at 11:33 PM, Michael Gibbons 
<6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
That's very interesting stuff.  I guess that self work both ways invader 
annoying find your rhetoric to be drivel.  From what I've experienced that is 
precisely where ther disconnect lay.
Ther majority try (by your own admission) to bully someone an opinion different 
than yours into leaving ther forum.  That's  mighty 1st amendment of you. It's 
refreshing see that someones civil rights can only be trodden upon and the 
individual simply harrsssed into submission. It would be ashame to just leave 
some be that doesnt agree with you. It would be terrible to try to ascertain 
what makes them draw the conclusions they do. God forbid the annoying guy have 
something enlightening to say. And far be it from those that know all the 
correct answers to the worlds woes be motivated to some soul searching  to find 
what makes their actions contrary to the their tolerant conception of 
themselves.
It would a travesty to gang up on someone of a differing opinion. To inundate 
that person with veiled insults and innuendo regarding his IQ simply because he 
sees the world differently. Intimidating be sheer volume of passive aggressive 
language designed to bait a response in kind. Then to blame the ugliness that 
ensues on the lone annoying guy, who simply reacts as anyone does when faced 
with bullies and person who jump to judgement without a modicum of respect for 
the annoying guy.
It's a shame that the collective majority with the highest opinion of 
themselves, find themselves so vulnerable to the ideas they dont understand 
that it causes their collective mind to snap shut. Disallowing anything 
familiar to penetrate the comfortable space they claim as their own and protect 
vehemently by any means necessary. It matters not if those means are 180° askew 
of the philosophy they pride themselves on and part each other on back in 
mutual admiration.
Its dismaying to witness the mutual admiration society in full acceptance of 
the groups tactics that dispensed with the unwanted point of view. Like pet 
dogs that were lost in a storm and found each other. For the survival of the 
pack they abandon the domestication that held them in regard with society for 
the nasty aggression that binds them to one another and insures no other 
disturbs the pecking order of the pack.
I think annoying guy guy might use the tools you have shared. Though I doubt 
you will ever be rid of him. Historically those that are treated with a certain 
level of inequality gather strength if they dont already have the fortitude, to 
resist and confront those who wish to to treat him poorly.
Smart people, especially ones that trumpet the value of fair play, tolerance 
and acceptance actually practice those traits they hold in such high regard. 
But it takes a secure self esteem and fearless ego to lower ones self to a 
level of truly embracing the unpopular. Only when one can reach that level of 
humility will they ever understand the need to look inside ones self to find 
the fault of the outsider.
He understands you. You can not make that same claim.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 9:51 PM William R. Elliott 
mailto:speodes...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear friends on TexasCavers,

I have a suggestion that might help some of you filter out the ugly comments, 
boring and inane reporting, and generally annoying stuff that gets posted here 
too often. Lately most of it comes from two individuals. We apparently cannot 
make them quit the forum, unfortunately, but plenty of good folks have quit 
because of them. And when reasonable people try to best them, the replies get 
worse.

Reminds me of a quote from the first True Grit movie (1969), "Why, you've done 
nothing when you've bested a fool!" (spoken by Glenn Campbell as Texas Ranger 
LaBoeuf)

I've had a gmail filter on one particular person for a couple of years, and it 
works well most of the time. I don't even see his stuff, that is unless some of 
you reply to him, then those replies and his original post get through to me, 
but it does cut down 80-90% of the stupid stuff being posted.

I just created another filter for Annoying Guy #2.

Many of you have gmail. In gmail click on Settings (little gear on the upper 
right), then Settings inside that. In a few seconds a page appears with menus 
along the top. Click on "Filters and Blocked Emails." Inside that it says "The 
following filters are applied to all incoming mail:" Below that click on 
"Create a new filter". Then you will see a form, pasted below. In the From 
field put (texascavers@texascavers.com). In 
the field "Has the words" type the person's name or email as it 

Re: [Texascavers] How to filter certain people on this forum

[jerryatkin]

U.. I don’t think your message went through to the intended recipient 
since you’ve been filtered out of his existence. No sense responding to this 
email either as I am doing the same. 

Jerry Atkinson.

Sent from my iPhone
Jerry Atkinson

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 10:33 PM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That's very interesting stuff.  I guess that self work both ways invader 
> annoying find your rhetoric to be drivel.  From what I've experienced that is 
> precisely where ther disconnect lay. 
> Ther majority try (by your own admission) to bully someone an opinion 
> different than yours into leaving ther forum.  That's  mighty 1st amendment 
> of you. It's refreshing see that someones civil rights can only be trodden 
> upon and the individual simply harrsssed into submission. It would be ashame 
> to just leave some be that doesnt agree with you. It would be terrible to try 
> to ascertain what makes them draw the conclusions they do. God forbid the 
> annoying guy have something enlightening to say. And far be it from those 
> that know all the correct answers to the worlds woes be motivated to some 
> soul searching  to find what makes their actions contrary to the their 
> tolerant conception of themselves.
> It would a travesty to gang up on someone of a differing opinion. To inundate 
> that person with veiled insults and innuendo regarding his IQ simply because 
> he sees the world differently. Intimidating be sheer volume of passive 
> aggressive language designed to bait a response in kind. Then to blame the 
> ugliness that ensues on the lone annoying guy, who simply reacts as anyone 
> does when faced with bullies and person who jump to judgement without a 
> modicum of respect for the annoying guy.
> It's a shame that the collective majority with the highest opinion of 
> themselves, find themselves so vulnerable to the ideas they dont understand 
> that it causes their collective mind to snap shut. Disallowing anything 
> familiar to penetrate the comfortable space they claim as their own and 
> protect vehemently by any means necessary. It matters not if those means are 
> 180° askew of the philosophy they pride themselves on and part each other on 
> back in mutual admiration.
> Its dismaying to witness the mutual admiration society in full acceptance of 
> the groups tactics that dispensed with the unwanted point of view. Like pet 
> dogs that were lost in a storm and found each other. For the survival of the 
> pack they abandon the domestication that held them in regard with society for 
> the nasty aggression that binds them to one another and insures no other 
> disturbs the pecking order of the pack.
> I think annoying guy guy might use the tools you have shared. Though I doubt 
> you will ever be rid of him. Historically those that are treated with a 
> certain level of inequality gather strength if they dont already have the 
> fortitude, to resist and confront those who wish to to treat him poorly. 
> Smart people, especially ones that trumpet the value of fair play, tolerance 
> and acceptance actually practice those traits they hold in such high regard. 
> But it takes a secure self esteem and fearless ego to lower ones self to a 
> level of truly embracing the unpopular. Only when one can reach that level of 
> humility will they ever understand the need to look inside ones self to find 
> the fault of the outsider.
> He understands you. You can not make that same claim.
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 9:51 PM William R. Elliott  
>> wrote:
>> Dear friends on TexasCavers,
>> 
>> I have a suggestion that might help some of you filter out the ugly 
>> comments, boring and inane reporting, and generally annoying stuff that gets 
>> posted here too often. Lately most of it comes from two individuals. We 
>> apparently cannot make them quit the forum, unfortunately, but plenty of 
>> good folks have quit because of them. And when reasonable people try to best 
>> them, the replies get worse. 
>> 
>> Reminds me of a quote from the first True Grit movie (1969), "Why, you've 
>> done nothing when you've bested a fool!" (spoken by Glenn Campbell as Texas 
>> Ranger LaBoeuf)
>> 
>> I've had a gmail filter on one particular person for a couple of years, and 
>> it works well most of the time. I don't even see his stuff, that is unless 
>> some of you reply to him, then those replies and his original post get 
>> through to me, but it does cut down 80-90% of the stupid stuff being posted.
>> 
>> I just created another filter for Annoying Guy #2. 
>> 
>> Many of you have gmail. In gmail click on Settings (little gear on the upper 
>> right), then Settings inside that. In a few seconds a page appears with 
>> menus along the top. Click on "Filters and Blocked Emails." Inside that it 
>> says "The following filters are applied to all incoming mail:" Below that 
>> click on "Create a new filter". Then you will see a form, pasted below. In 
>> the From field put