Re: [Texascavers] TPWD sign
I also do not know the identity of the hidden caver in the orange helmet, but my guess would be Tom Shope. For the record, proper spellings are Bockelman and Thiesse. I have no idea who took the photo, but might be able to find out if I dig a bit. As to Nancy's red box, that's the once-ubiquitous Koehler Wheat Lamp battery (lead-acid). Now we use lithium-ion Sten batteries the size of a match box. I don't miss those days at all! :-) Mark On Wed, 26 Jul, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Mary Thiesse via Texascavers wrote: To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: wpipistrelle@yahoo.comYou're right David except I have to say I'm not sure who's hiding. Mary TZ On Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 12:04 PM, David via Texascavers wrote: I would say that is Wayne Bockleman and Mary Theisse and Nancy Weaver. The helmet in the back looks like Don Broussard But that is just a crazy guess. On Jul 26, 2017 12:13 PM, "Diana Tomchick via Texascavers" wrote: Mark, I recognize you in the photo, but I'm not sure who the other people are, so please help us out. Diana ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TPWD sign
but who was taking the photo? and for you younger covers what is that strange red box on my side? nancy ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TPWD sign
--- Begin Message --- You're right David except I have to say I'm not sure who's hiding. Mary TZ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 12:04 PM, David via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: I would say that is Wayne Bockleman and Mary Theisse and Nancy Weaver. The helmet in the back looks like Don Broussard But that is just a crazy guess. On Jul 26, 2017 12:13 PM, "Diana Tomchick via Texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: Mark, I recognize you in the photo, but I’m not sure who the other people are, so please help us out. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 Diana.Tomchick@UTSouthwestern. edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:46 AM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Photo attached. As I remember the story, it wasn't "digging" that the Park was worried about; it was the fact that we were there at all. We had published a trip report and map saying we had crossed under the Park boundary in the QA survey, and somehow that got to Park management. Someone got a letter or phone call to the effect that we should not be caving under the Park without permission. We replied that we were very sorry, and that they would never hear of that happening again. Note we didn't say we wouldn't do it, only that they wouldn't hear about it. There were several trips beyond that spot, and as far as I know, it is still a lead. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Sat, 22 Jul, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: To: TexasCavers Cc: Diana.Tomchick@ UTSouthwestern.eduThe last time I visited that passage (early this year), we weren't looking for the sign, but then it occurred to us while eating a post-caving trip dinner that we hadn't seen the sign on our trip, so maybe it's no longer there. Somewhere I have a photo of the sign, but I don't know exactly where. It would be fun for someone to post a photo of it. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 Diana.Tomchick@UTSouthwestern. edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax)From: Texascavers <texascavers-bounces@ texascavers.com> on behalf of Nancy Weaver via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:42 AM To: TexasCavers Cc: Nancy Weaver Subject: [Texascavers] TPWD sign as someone intimately aware of the placing of that sign, I know exactly why it was done. very much in the spirit of thumbing one’s nose at fences and ownership..Nancy If I recall there is (was) a TPWD boundary sign that was placed by cavers in one of the side passages in Honey Creek Cave were it goes under the park boundary fence. Someone at TPWD had said something to the effect that cavers needed to stop "digging" they way they were in that passage under the park as that method of "digging" was not approved by TWPD (and that is what propmpted the placement of said signage). | | | | | | | | _ __ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail- archive.com/texascavers@ texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/ listinfo/texascavers | UT Southwestern | | Medical Center | | | | The future of medicine, today. | __ _ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/ listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers --- End Message --- ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TPWD sign
I would say that is Wayne Bockleman and Mary Theisse and Nancy Weaver. The helmet in the back looks like Don Broussard But that is just a crazy guess. On Jul 26, 2017 12:13 PM, "Diana Tomchick via Texascavers" < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Mark, I recognize you in the photo, but I’m not sure who the other people > are, so please help us out. > > Diana > > ** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:46 AM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > Photo attached. As I remember the story, it wasn't "digging" that the Park > was worried about; it was the fact that we were there at all. We had > published a trip report and map saying we had crossed under the Park > boundary in the QA survey, and somehow that got to Park management. Someone > got a letter or phone call to the effect that we should not be caving under > the Park without permission. We replied that we were very sorry, and that > they would never hear of that happening again. Note we didn't say we > wouldn't do it, only that they wouldn't hear about it. There were several > trips beyond that spot, and as far as I know, it is still a lead. > > Mark Minton > mmin...@caver.net > > On Sat, 22 Jul, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > To: TexasCavers > Cc: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > The last time I visited that passage (early this year), we weren't > looking for the sign, but then it occurred to us while eating a post-caving > trip dinner that we hadn't seen the sign on our trip, so maybe it's no > longer there. Somewhere I have a photo of the sign, but I don't know > exactly where. It would be fun for someone to post a photo of it. > > Diana > > ** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > -- > *From:* Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of > Nancy Weaver via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:42 AM > *To:* TexasCavers > *Cc:* Nancy Weaver > *Subject:* [Texascavers] TPWD sign > > as someone intimately aware of the placing of that sign, I know exactly > why it was done. very much in the spirit of thumbing one’s nose at fences > and ownership.. > Nancy > > If I recall there is (was) a TPWD boundary sign that was placed by cavers > in one of the side passages in Honey Creek Cave were it goes under the park > boundary fence. Someone at TPWD had said something to the effect that > cavers needed to stop "digging" they way they were in that passage under > the park as that method of "digging" was not approved by TWPD (and that is > what propmpted the placement of said signage). > > > > _ > __ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail- > archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > -- > > UT Southwestern > > Medical Center > > The future of medicine, today. > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TPWD sign
Mark, I recognize you in the photo, but I’m not sure who the other people are, so please help us out. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:46 AM, texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: Photo attached. As I remember the story, it wasn't "digging" that the Park was worried about; it was the fact that we were there at all. We had published a trip report and map saying we had crossed under the Park boundary in the QA survey, and somehow that got to Park management. Someone got a letter or phone call to the effect that we should not be caving under the Park without permission. We replied that we were very sorry, and that they would never hear of that happening again. Note we didn't say we wouldn't do it, only that they wouldn't hear about it. There were several trips beyond that spot, and as far as I know, it is still a lead. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net<mailto:mmin...@caver.net> On Sat, 22 Jul, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote: To: TexasCavers Cc: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> The last time I visited that passage (early this year), we weren't looking for the sign, but then it occurred to us while eating a post-caving trip dinner that we hadn't seen the sign on our trip, so maybe it's no longer there. Somewhere I have a photo of the sign, but I don't know exactly where. It would be fun for someone to post a photo of it. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>> on behalf of Nancy Weaver via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:42 AM To: TexasCavers Cc: Nancy Weaver Subject: [Texascavers] TPWD sign as someone intimately aware of the placing of that sign, I know exactly why it was done. very much in the spirit of thumbing one’s nose at fences and ownership.. Nancy If I recall there is (was) a TPWD boundary sign that was placed by cavers in one of the side passages in Honey Creek Cave were it goes under the park boundary fence. Someone at TPWD had said something to the effect that cavers needed to stop "digging" they way they were in that passage under the park as that method of "digging" was not approved by TWPD (and that is what propmpted the placement of said signage). ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com<http://texascavers.com/> Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TPWD sign
?The last time I visited that passage (early this year), we weren't looking for the sign, but then it occurred to us while eating a post-caving trip dinner that we hadn't seen the sign on our trip, so maybe it's no longer there. Somewhere I have a photo of the sign, but I don't know exactly where. It would be fun for someone to post a photo of it. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of Nancy Weaver via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:42 AM To: TexasCavers Cc: Nancy Weaver Subject: [Texascavers] TPWD sign as someone intimately aware of the placing of that sign, I know exactly why it was done. very much in the spirit of thumbing one's nose at fences and ownership. Nancy If I recall there is (was) a TPWD boundary sign that was placed by cavers in one of the side passages in Honey Creek Cave were it goes under the park boundary fence. Someone at TPWD had said something to the effect that cavers needed to stop "digging" they way they were in that passage under the park as that method of "digging" was not approved by TWPD (and that is what propmpted the placement of said signage). UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TPWD sign
as someone intimately aware of the placing of that sign, I know exactly why it was done. very much in the spirit of thumbing one’s nose at fences and ownership. Nancy If I recall there is (was) a TPWD boundary sign that was placed by cavers in one of the side passages in Honey Creek Cave were it goes under the park boundary fence. Someone at TPWD had said something to the effect that cavers needed to stop "digging" they way they were in that passage under the park as that method of "digging" was not approved by TWPD (and that is what propmpted the placement of said signage).___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
