RE: [Texascavers] TSA, Caver, and Caving

2009-12-15 Thread Mark . Alman
Thanks, Chris, for the kind words.
 
I live to serve!
 
 
 
Mark
 
 



From: Chris Vreeland [mailto:cvreel...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 8:14 PM
To: texascavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA, Caver, and Caving


I just got my gorgeous hard copy of the Caver in the mail today, and have to 
say that as an old fart, I really like getting publications in the mail at 
seemingly random intervals, and sitting down in a chair to read them. Then, I 
enjoy putting them on my bookshelf.  

One thing I do not enjoy is driving to Office Max to stock up on ink cartridges.


If it takes another $5.00 a year to keep them coming, I think I can skip a pack 
of cigarettes in order to make that happen.

BTW, Thanks Mark, for an excellent issue! As a former editor, I thought i knew 
all about the unsung heroics of editing, but your tale of woe tops them all. 
Please keep up the good work!

 


Re: [Texascavers] TSA, Caver, and Caving

2009-12-14 Thread Chris Vreeland
I just got my gorgeous hard copy of the Caver in the mail today, and  
have to say that as an old fart, I really like getting publications in  
the mail at seemingly random intervals, and sitting down in a chair to  
read them. Then, I enjoy putting them on my bookshelf.


One thing I do not enjoy is driving to Office Max to stock up on ink  
cartridges.


If it takes another $5.00 a year to keep them coming, I think I can  
skip a pack of cigarettes in order to make that happen.


BTW, Thanks Mark, for an excellent issue! As a former editor, I  
thought i knew all about the unsung heroics of editing, but your tale  
of woe tops them all. Please keep up the good work!



On Dec 14, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Linda Palit wrote:

I believe the problem with the bulk rate has been that we are not  
sending out enough copies to get the bulk rate.  The truth is, also,  
that print media is in decline.  I believe that it is probably time  
to revisit the two-tier membership option and gradually phase that in.


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:39 AM
To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com; TexasCavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Digital vs. Print


I'm in the process of pursuing the bulk mail rate/permit for us,  
Logan, as I plan on continuing to do the newsletter for the  
foreseeable future.


(Sorry to tell y'all that!)


From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com]


I am one of those antiquated bibliophiles who prefers a hard copy of  
The Texas Caver, but I certainly support the use of electronic  
copies for all that prefer them.  I would be willing to pay the  
extra cost of printed issues.






[Texascavers] TSA, Caver, and Caving

2009-12-14 Thread Linda Palit
I believe the problem with the bulk rate has been that we are not sending
out enough copies to get the bulk rate.  The truth is, also, that print
media is in decline.  I believe that it is probably time to revisit the
two-tier membership option and gradually phase that in.  As much as one may
approve or disapprove, even libraries are moving away from print in many
instances.

 

As to the function and usefulness of the TSA, it provides a strong link and
access to the greater caving community, especially the NSS. The TSA goes
through phases of being, and sometimes is more active than others.  But it
fills a niche that no other organization does.  It is an access point for
new cavers, and the spring convention is a great event, especially providing
a venue for news on exploration and scientific research.  

 

Continuity and institutional memory have been the greatest problems for the
TSA, and no solution has really solved that.  So the TSA wrestles with the
same problems over and over again.  Many organizations do the same, though.
TSA officers often go on to be major contributors in other caving
organizations, and they also look back and discuss all the ways TSA could
"do it better."  But they are not doing it, and are usually not willing to
be a TSA officer again or to be a major "actor" in the TSA.  

 

So be it.  Cheers to the TSA officers, members, and all the dedicated
writers and editors of the Texas Caver.  

Keep up the good work.

 

 

 

 

From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:39 AM
To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com; TexasCavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Digital vs. Print

 

 

I'm in the process of pursuing the bulk mail rate/permit for us, Logan, as I
plan on continuing to do the newsletter for the foreseeable future.

 

(Sorry to tell y'all that!)

 

 

I'll let the membership know how it's proceeding in January, but, I'm not
stepping foot in the post office until after Christmas!

 

 

Good point about the back issues, 

 

Anyway you or Lee Jay could bring ~12 of the recent issues to the winter
meeting at CBSP?

 

A certain vivacious Vice-Chair Elect is hounding me to get her some back
issues!

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

  _  

From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Sun 12/13/2009 7:21 PM
To: 'TexasCavers'
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Digital vs. Print

I am one of those antiquated bibliophiles who prefers a hard copy of The
Texas Caver, but I certainly support the use of electronic copies for all
that prefer them.  I would be willing to pay the extra cost of printed
issues.

Questions for Mark:  What happened to using the Bulk Mailing Rate?  I assume
it requires a minimum number of copies, and perhaps we don't meet that?  I
like the color photos, but how much do they add to the cost of printing
compared to the same photos in B&W?  Just curious; I'm not advocating all
B&W.

Logan
(Caretaker of approximately 20,000 back issues of The Texas Caver owned by
TSA, most of which are not available electronically, but can be yours for
about 25 to 50 cents each.  A treasure trove of maps, photos, trip reports,
etc.; buy now before they're all gone!)

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