Re: [Texascavers] Texas cave organizations

2015-04-29 Thread Bennett Lee via Texascavers
Bill, you're right that I only included a few bits of the NSS as it related to 
the T-Organizations.  The NSS internal structure was beyond the scope of my 
article, and would be a great follow-up article for you to write!

I do know more of the details of the NSS (but apparently not as much as 
you...hint hint).  However, my article's focus was just the T-Organizations 
(TSA, TSS, TCMA, TCC, TCR) and a few facts that people seem to have confused, 
like Spring Convention is hosted by the TSA, not the TCMA despite the TCMA 
auction also being at Spring Convention.

I even read the link you mentioned while researching my article.  Yes, the NSS 
recognizes the TCMA and TCC as cave conservancies (keyword recognizes) and the 
TSS is an NSS project, but they are independent of the NSS.  The NSS' website 
even specifically states on that link that the organizations are independent 
organizations and operate with autonomy from the Society leadership (exact 
quotes).  In contrast, the other organizations mentioned in my article _are_ 
dependent on the NSS.  Thus, the NSS can (and does) mandate that all Grotto 
officers must be current NSS members, but it cannot mandate that, say, all TCMA 
Directors must be NSS members because the TCMA was formed completely outside 
the scope of the NSS and afterwards recognized as a cave conservancy--a loose 
affiliation but not a part of the NSS.  I didn't touch on affiliations like 
that because my focus was the actual hierarchy, not the spaghetti of loose 
affiliations.

So I think my article was spot-on, but if anyone has specific errors, let me 
know!  Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to reading an article on the internal 
workings of the NSS.  There's still plenty that I can learn about that.

--Bennett


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Subject: [Texascavers] Texas cave organizations

Thanks to Bennett Lee for the article in the new Texas Caver summarizing Texas 
caving organizations. However, the TSS, TCMA, and TCC are no more independent 
of the NSS than grottos and regions are. The organization of the NSS is 
confusing, in that there are Internal Organizations and there are 
Activities. See http://caves.org/info/nss-orgs.shtml. IOs are grottos 
(chapters), regions, sections, surveys, and a mysterious entity called an 
affinity group. Activities are projects, cave conservancies, expeditions, and 
conservation task forces. To add to the confusion, a number of actual surveys 
are NSS projects (Activities), not NSS surveys (Internal Organizations). This 
all badly needs to be rationalized, and Bennett can easily be excused for not 
knowing the details. The new NSS members manual for 2015 contains lists of 
projects and CTFs but not other Activities, for some reason.

Neither IOs nor Activities get NSS funding automatically, but of course they 
can apply for various grants. Activities are, however, a bit more closely 
related to the NSS than IOs are, in that the NSS office can accept donations 
earmarked for Activities on their behalf. This means that donations to 
Activities that do not have their own tax-deductible status can be run though 
the NSS's books, in case the IRS questions them. You'd have to dig pretty 
deeply into the members' area on the NSS web site to discover this. 

Anyway, the Texas Speleological Survey is a project of the NSS (as is the 
Association for Mexican Cave Studies in Austin), and both the Texas Cave 
Conservancy and the Texas Cave Management Association are conservancies of the 
NSS. -- Bill Mixon

The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.

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[Texascavers] Texas cave organizations

2015-04-27 Thread Mixon Bill via Texascavers
Thanks to Bennett Lee for the article in the new Texas Caver summarizing Texas 
caving organizations. However, the TSS, TCMA, and TCC are no more independent 
of the NSS than grottos and regions are. The organization of the NSS is 
confusing, in that there are Internal Organizations and there are 
Activities. See http://caves.org/info/nss-orgs.shtml. IOs are grottos 
(chapters), regions, sections, surveys, and a mysterious entity called an 
affinity group. Activities are projects, cave conservancies, expeditions, and 
conservation task forces. To add to the confusion, a number of actual surveys 
are NSS projects (Activities), not NSS surveys (Internal Organizations). This 
all badly needs to be rationalized, and Bennett can easily be excused for not 
knowing the details. The new NSS members manual for 2015 contains lists of 
projects and CTFs but not other Activities, for some reason.

Neither IOs nor Activities get NSS funding automatically, but of course they 
can apply for various grants. Activities are, however, a bit more closely 
related to the NSS than IOs are, in that the NSS office can accept donations 
earmarked for Activities on their behalf. This means that donations to 
Activities that do not have their own tax-deductible status can be run though 
the NSS's books, in case the IRS questions them. You'd have to dig pretty 
deeply into the members' area on the NSS web site to discover this. 

Anyway, the Texas Speleological Survey is a project of the NSS (as is the 
Association for Mexican Cave Studies in Austin), and both the Texas Cave 
Conservancy and the Texas Cave Management Association are conservancies of the 
NSS. -- Bill Mixon

The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.

You may reply to the address this message
(unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org

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