Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
I think that would be great, OMW ! Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers wrote: > Not an article a comic book page. The Advetures of Karst Walker and Mull and > Doon. The quest for the Holy Carbide Light. A continuation of the adventures > of Nurdoo and Zeplin who appeared in the NSS News many eons ago. > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers > wrote: > Oh chill, I'm just kidding ... ;-) > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Heather Tucek wrote: > Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos. > Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook, unless we want > to give up all rights to everything contained in it. > > > On 30 July 2014 06:48, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers > wrote: > "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly due > to ... and social networking." > > Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-) > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers > wrote: > Should read “NSS members”. > > > > It’s awfully early. ;) > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of > via Texascavers > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM > To: mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word > > > Agreed, Mimi. > > > > > > When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the fact > that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH > publications. > > > > Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. > > > > > > Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may be a > good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. > > > > Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly due to > apathy and social networking. > > > > > > Hopefully, I'm wrong. > > > > Y'all's thoughts? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of > Mimi Jasek via Texascavers > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM > To: TexasCavers > Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word > > > > How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on > paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas > Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. > > > > Mimi Jasek > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com > | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > > > -- > Go find out! > -Heather Tuček > UT Grotto, DFW Grotto > TSA Secretary & Membership Chair > NSS 59660 > (512) 773-1348 > trog...@cavechat.org > > > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > > > -- > Charlie Loving > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
*Joe:* *An article form the Sun: Not On Any Map: Jack Turner on our lost intimacy with the Natural World. Has to do with Western Civilization's environmentally destructive tendencies. "If you don't have contact with a wild place (cave), a wild animal, or a wild process - and I mean experiential, bodily contact -- then why would you ever vote for conservation amd environmental measures? That's a long - term problem for the American conservation movement. These beared guys who had been out walking for five weeks had forgotten the "real world" returned to their hotel in Kathmandu , and immediately they were back is the whir of it all, the gerbil wheel: their iPhone, their computer, columns from the Wall Street Journal. I think a hermit can live a perfectly good and full human life. People recoil at that response…. Solitude is seen as something to be feared something that's not productive.* On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Joe Ranzau via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > This is something I've chatted about with lots of cavers. Has the TSA > been in decline, does it matter, should it be refocused or absorbed by > another Texas Caving Organization? > > You hear a myriad of answers, some say the TSA has been in a death spiral > since before they stopped actively caving - just read their book, others > say it is a vital source of stability and kinship among Texas cavers and I > say it falls somewhere in the middle. > > I do feel the advent of modern social media has lessened the need for the > historic version of the TSA. I have framed copies of the letter and map > announcing the discovery of Golondrinas, by the white man, on my wall. > Today, there would be an email blast, some facebook pictures and dare I > say, a tweet about it. Does all this mean the TSA does not matter? I > don't know... > > When I ask folks what the TSA does I typically hear "The Texas Caver, when > there is a strong editor (props to our last several)" and "The Spring > Convention". Some used to argue that it also sponsored caving projects, > that was pretty easily shot down because there was minimal actual > sponsorship and when the TSS started hosting TPWD projects that last > tangible benefit there was eliminated. They did help support the new cable > at honey creek and some food for the Austin dive projects. > > So we have the regional organization of the NSS and a magazine right now. > > Some people say it does a great job hosting TCR too! I just nod and shake > my head... > > The nice thing about the TSA is that it becomes whatever we make it. Yep, > that right there, if we want a strong vibrant organization, make it so. If > we want it to be a magazine that hosts a conference, well great, that's > what it currently does! Do we want it not to exist? Go for it and keep > doing what we are doing... > > The TSA is whatever WE make it. Most of us don't seem real interested in > making it much at the moment. There is a small core group that gets my > thanks and occasional help. > > For whatever that was worth, > > BigCaverJoe > > > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >> due to ... and *social networking*." >> >> Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-) >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers < >> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >> >>> Should read “NSS members”. >>> >>> >>> >>> It’s awfully early. ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *via Texascavers >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM >>> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>> >>> >>> >>> Agreed, Mimi. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the >>> fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH >>> publications. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may >
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
Not an article a comic book page. The Advetures of Karst Walker and Mull and Doon. The quest for the Holy Carbide Light. A continuation of the adventures of Nurdoo and Zeplin who appeared in the NSS News many eons ago. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Oh chill, I'm just kidding ... ;-) > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Heather Tucek > wrote: > >> Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos. >> Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook, unless we >> want to give up all rights to everything contained in it. >> >> >> On 30 July 2014 06:48, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers < >> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >> >>> "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >>> due to ... and *social networking*." >>> >>> Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers < >>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Should read “NSS members”. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It’s awfully early. ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *via Texascavers >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM >>>> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed, Mimi. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the >>>> fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH >>>> publications. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this >>>> may be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >>>> due to apathy and social networking. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hopefully, I'm wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Y'all's thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com >>>> ] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via >>>> Texascavers >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM >>>> To: TexasCavers >>>> Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something >>>> on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a >>>> Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mimi Jasek >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>>> >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lyndon Tiu >>> >>> ___ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Go find out!* >> -Heather Tuček >> UT Grotto, DFW Grotto >> TSA Secretary & Membership Chair >> NSS 59660 >> (512) 773-1348 >> trog...@cavechat.org >> > > > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
I send in articles every issue. I have lots more, but I assume you all want some diversity in the Texas Caver instead of just articles written by me. Ah, who am I kidding? My articles are incredibly witty and intelligent and thought-provoking, so of course everyone wants the entire Texas Caver dedicated to just me. Why would anyone want to hear about Wade McDaniel's TWO separate tire blowouts on the way to Deep & Punkin? Or the NSS Convention? Or caving at NSS, like when Aaron Polsky's light fell off at the top of Fantastic Pit, illuminating the drop as it spun down, down, down 586 feet. It fell so long that people had whole conversations while it was falling. It finally went out when it hit the bottom, but when retrieved, still worked! Why would anyone want to hear about that? Much better I write more articles about how a semi-round is NOT called a D biner! Those two different things, people! They are NOT interchangeable! If you need the biner/screwlink for your Frog harness, you need a SEMI-ROUND. A D biner is completely different and WILL NOT WORK! Get it right, you idiots! Agh! (More articles like that, right?) --Bennett From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Heather Tucek via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:53 AM To: Charles Loving; Jill Orr Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word Please send all articles to Jill Orr! She'll be thrilled! Jill: edi...@cavetexas.org<mailto:edi...@cavetexas.org> On 30 July 2014 07:52, Charles Loving mailto:lovingi...@gmail.com>> wrote: OK good. Where do you want the Adventures of Karst Walker? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote: Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos. Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook, unless we want to give up all rights to everything contained in it. On 30 July 2014 06:48, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote: "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly due to ... and social networking." Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-) On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote: Should read “NSS members”. It’s awfully early. ;) Mark From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>] On Behalf Of via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM To: mjca...@gmail.com<mailto:mjca...@gmail.com>; texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word Agreed, Mimi. When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH publications. Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly due to apathy and social networking. Hopefully, I'm wrong. Y'all's thoughts? Mark -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary & Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org<mailto:trog...@cavechat.org> ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@t
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
This is something I've chatted about with lots of cavers. Has the TSA been in decline, does it matter, should it be refocused or absorbed by another Texas Caving Organization? You hear a myriad of answers, some say the TSA has been in a death spiral since before they stopped actively caving - just read their book, others say it is a vital source of stability and kinship among Texas cavers and I say it falls somewhere in the middle. I do feel the advent of modern social media has lessened the need for the historic version of the TSA. I have framed copies of the letter and map announcing the discovery of Golondrinas, by the white man, on my wall. Today, there would be an email blast, some facebook pictures and dare I say, a tweet about it. Does all this mean the TSA does not matter? I don't know... When I ask folks what the TSA does I typically hear "The Texas Caver, when there is a strong editor (props to our last several)" and "The Spring Convention". Some used to argue that it also sponsored caving projects, that was pretty easily shot down because there was minimal actual sponsorship and when the TSS started hosting TPWD projects that last tangible benefit there was eliminated. They did help support the new cable at honey creek and some food for the Austin dive projects. So we have the regional organization of the NSS and a magazine right now. Some people say it does a great job hosting TCR too! I just nod and shake my head... The nice thing about the TSA is that it becomes whatever we make it. Yep, that right there, if we want a strong vibrant organization, make it so. If we want it to be a magazine that hosts a conference, well great, that's what it currently does! Do we want it not to exist? Go for it and keep doing what we are doing... The TSA is whatever WE make it. Most of us don't seem real interested in making it much at the moment. There is a small core group that gets my thanks and occasional help. For whatever that was worth, BigCaverJoe On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly > due to ... and *social networking*." > > Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-) > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> Should read “NSS members”. >> >> >> >> It’s awfully early. ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On >> Behalf Of *via Texascavers >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM >> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >> >> >> >> Agreed, Mimi. >> >> >> >> >> >> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the fact >> that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH >> publications. >> >> >> >> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. >> >> >> >> >> >> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may >> be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. >> >> >> >> Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >> due to apathy and social networking. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hopefully, I'm wrong. >> >> >> >> Y'all's thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com >> ] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via >> Texascavers >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM >> To: TexasCavers >> Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >> >> >> >> How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on >> paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a >> Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. >> >> >> >> Mimi Jasek >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >> >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> > > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
Please send all articles to Jill Orr! She'll be thrilled! Jill: edi...@cavetexas.org On 30 July 2014 07:52, Charles Loving wrote: > OK good. Where do you want the Adventures of Karst Walker? > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos. >> Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook, unless we >> want to give up all rights to everything contained in it. >> >> >> On 30 July 2014 06:48, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers < >> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >> >>> "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >>> due to ... and *social networking*." >>> >>> Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers < >>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Should read “NSS members”. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It’s awfully early. ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *via Texascavers >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM >>>> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed, Mimi. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the >>>> fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH >>>> publications. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this >>>> may be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >>>> due to apathy and social networking. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hopefully, I'm wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Y'all's thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com >>>> ] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via >>>> Texascavers >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM >>>> To: TexasCavers >>>> Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something >>>> on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a >>>> Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mimi Jasek >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>>> >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lyndon Tiu >>> >>> ___ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Go find out!* >> -Heather Tuček >> UT Grotto, DFW Grotto >> TSA Secretary & Membership Chair >> NSS 59660 >> (512) 773-1348 >> trog...@cavechat.org >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> > > > -- > Charlie Loving > -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary & Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
OK good. Where do you want the Adventures of Karst Walker? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos. > Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook, unless we > want to give up all rights to everything contained in it. > > > On 30 July 2014 06:48, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >> due to ... and *social networking*." >> >> Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-) >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers < >> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >> >>> Should read “NSS members”. >>> >>> >>> >>> It’s awfully early. ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *via Texascavers >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM >>> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>> >>> >>> >>> Agreed, Mimi. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the >>> fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH >>> publications. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may >>> be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. >>> >>> >>> >>> Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >>> due to apathy and social networking. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hopefully, I'm wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> Y'all's thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com >>> ] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via >>> Texascavers >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM >>> To: TexasCavers >>> Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>> >>> >>> >>> How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something >>> on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a >>> Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mimi Jasek >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>> >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lyndon Tiu >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> > > > -- > *Go find out!* > -Heather Tuček > UT Grotto, DFW Grotto > TSA Secretary & Membership Chair > NSS 59660 > (512) 773-1348 > trog...@cavechat.org > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
Oh chill, I'm just kidding ... ;-) On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Heather Tucek wrote: > Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos. > Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook, unless we > want to give up all rights to everything contained in it. > > > On 30 July 2014 06:48, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >> due to ... and *social networking*." >> >> Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-) >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers < >> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: >> >>> Should read “NSS members”. >>> >>> >>> >>> It’s awfully early. ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *via Texascavers >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM >>> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>> >>> >>> >>> Agreed, Mimi. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the >>> fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH >>> publications. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may >>> be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. >>> >>> >>> >>> Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >>> due to apathy and social networking. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hopefully, I'm wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> Y'all's thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com >>> ] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via >>> Texascavers >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM >>> To: TexasCavers >>> Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >>> >>> >>> >>> How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something >>> on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a >>> Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mimi Jasek >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>> >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lyndon Tiu >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> > > > -- > *Go find out!* > -Heather Tuček > UT Grotto, DFW Grotto > TSA Secretary & Membership Chair > NSS 59660 > (512) 773-1348 > trog...@cavechat.org > -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos. Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook, unless we want to give up all rights to everything contained in it. On 30 July 2014 06:48, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly > due to ... and *social networking*." > > Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-) > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> Should read “NSS members”. >> >> >> >> It’s awfully early. ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On >> Behalf Of *via Texascavers >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM >> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >> >> >> >> Agreed, Mimi. >> >> >> >> >> >> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the fact >> that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH >> publications. >> >> >> >> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. >> >> >> >> >> >> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may >> be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. >> >> >> >> Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly >> due to apathy and social networking. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hopefully, I'm wrong. >> >> >> >> Y'all's thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com >> ] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via >> Texascavers >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM >> To: TexasCavers >> Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word >> >> >> >> How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on >> paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a >> Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. >> >> >> >> Mimi Jasek >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >> >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> > > > -- > Lyndon Tiu > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary & Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
"Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly due to ... and *social networking*." Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-) On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Should read “NSS members”. > > > > It’s awfully early. ;) > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On > Behalf Of *via Texascavers > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM > *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word > > > > Agreed, Mimi. > > > > > > When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the fact > that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH > publications. > > > > Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. > > > > > > Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may > be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. > > > > Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly due > to apathy and social networking. > > > > > > Hopefully, I'm wrong. > > > > Y'all's thoughts? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com > ] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via > Texascavers > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM > To: TexasCavers > Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word > > > > How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on > paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a > Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. > > > > Mimi Jasek > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
Should read “NSS members”. It’s awfully early. ;) Mark From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM To: mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word Agreed, Mimi. When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH publications. Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly due to apathy and social networking. Hopefully, I'm wrong. Y'all's thoughts? Mark -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
Agreed, Mimi. When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH publications. Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa. Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA. Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly due to apathy and social networking. Hopefully, I'm wrong. Y'all's thoughts? Mark -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
Sorry y'all for the whine This was supposed to be private reply But if it helps get articles its worth it! jill orr 210.399.6762 jillorr.businesscatalyst.com -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jill Orr via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:31 To: 'Mimi Jasek'; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word You are absolutely right I don’t know what to do. Before I left I asked and asked for articles and photos. I've asked people to help solicit articles. I put so much time into layout and editing, getting it printed and mailed I feel like its pushing the limit to have to spend the time asking and following up and asking again. But I'm preaching to the choir. jill orr 210.399.6762 jillorr.businesscatalyst.com -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 06:58 To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
You are absolutely right I don’t know what to do. Before I left I asked and asked for articles and photos. I've asked people to help solicit articles. I put so much time into layout and editing, getting it printed and mailed I feel like its pushing the limit to have to spend the time asking and following up and asking again. But I'm preaching to the choir. jill orr 210.399.6762 jillorr.businesscatalyst.com -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 06:58 To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] The Printed Word
How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere. Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
