RE: [Texascavers] Tone's adventure with bees
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Re: [Texascavers] Tone's adventure with bees
It felt sort of like a hangover. Other than a few red dots and a bit of tenderness, I am back in action. Here's the Eddie Izzard clip, in case any of you were curious about the obscure reference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-tl6GBOBo \Tone On 6/19/07, David Ochel wrote: Hi, Quoting Bill Mixon at Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:16:52 -0600 in <006e01c7b2070c0bc0$c044490c@yourvvx88vyrxo>: > Tone's symptoms do not sound like anaphylactic shock. The most prominent and > threatening symptom of that is difficulty breathing or swallowing. When > people who are truly allergic to bee stings get stung even once, it's a 911 > situation if they don't have an epinephine injector with them. That was my interpretation as well. I would have expected swelling and trouble breathing shortly after the stings. I'm not an expert though.
RE: [Texascavers] Tone's adventure with bees
Hi Bill and all, I've read all your comments on anaphylaxsis (sometimes called anaphylactic shock). Here, briefly, are the symptoms Tone described : "David, Gary, and Matt decided to get some lunch before returning to de-rig the ropes. I declined the invitation as I wasn't much in the mood for food at the moment. After everyone decided that we were all ok, I headed home. After a shower, I fell asleep. It must have been around noon. "Gary called me around 2:15 p.m. to see if I was ok. I didn't make it to the phone, but I did call him back shortly thereafter. I was in a sort of delirium, and I couldn't believe how nauseous I felt. I eventually went back to bed. David instant messaged me around 3 p.m. to see if I was ok. I told him "the welts aren't much bigger. In fact, they look much the same as when I left the parking area." "As for me, I felt sick to my stomach and light headed from about noon to 5:45 p.m. I tried getting up several times only to lie back down." Medicinenet.com describes the symptoms of anaphylaxis as: What are anaphylaxis symptoms? The symptoms of an anaphylactic reaction may occur within seconds of exposure, or be delayed 15 to 30 minutes, or even an hour or more after exposure (typical of reactions to aspirin and similar drugs). Early symptoms are often related to the skin and include: Flushing (warmth and redness of the skin), itching (often in the groin or armpits), and hives. These symptoms are often accompanied by: a feeling of "impending doom," anxiety, and sometimes a rapid, irregular pulse. Frequently following the above symptoms, throat and tongue swelling results in hoarseness, difficulty swallowing, and difficulty breathing. Symptoms of rhinitis (hay fever) or asthma may occur causing: a runny nose, sneezing, and wheezing, which may worsen the breathing difficulty, vomiting, diarrhea, and stomach cramps may develop. About 25% of the time, the mediators flooding the blood stream cause a generalized opening of capillaries (tiny blood vessels) which results in a drop in blood pressure, lightheadedness, or even loss of consciousness. These are the typical features of anaphylactic shock. Mayoclinic.com shows the following: Signs and symptoms An anaphylactic reaction is most likely to occur in susceptible people who've been stung by a bee, eaten food containing food allergens, or taken a medication that they are sensitive to. The effects of anaphylaxis aren't limited to the site of the exposure. Development of the following signs and symptoms within minutes of exposure to an allergen is a strong indication of anaphylaxis: Constriction of the airways, including wheezing and a swollen tongue or throat, that results in difficulty breathing Shock associated with a severe decrease in blood pressure Weak and rapid pulse Dizziness or fainting Hives and itching Flushed or pale skin Nausea, vomiting or diarrhea Not everyone has all symptoms. Not all symptoms are severe. Not everybody has the respiratory problems when symptoms are not severe. But with the reaction he had, he should have been taken to the doctor. I would err on the side of caution, i.e., any out-of-the-ordinary reaction of this sort merits a trip to a doctor or emergency room. As I learned when I was an EMT, anaphylaxis is a true medical emergency. I'm glad that this subject has evoked some discussion. Perhaps it will make everyone more aware of the danger. Louise From: "Bill Mixon" To: "CaveTex" Subject: [Texascavers] Tone's adventure with beesDate: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:16:52 -0600MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc11-f6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:18:00 -0700Received: (qmail 69657 invoked by uid 89); 18 Jun 2007 23:17:58 -Received: (qmail 69648 invoked by uid 31338); 18 Jun 2007 23:17:58 -Tone's symptoms do not sound like anaphylactic shock. The most prominent andthreatening symptom of that is difficulty breathing or swallowing. Whenpeople who are truly allergic to bee stings get stung even once, it's a 911situation if they don't have an epinephine injector with them. Being covered with a rash is also a classic symptom, as Don described. If the bee has left its stinger in your skin, don't grab it to pull itout. That may result in squeezing more poison into your skin. Scrape it off.If it's any comfort to you, the bee dies after stinging you. It's a suicideattack to protect the hive. -- Mixon---You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent,but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com --
Re: [Texascavers] Tone's adventure with bees
- Original Message - From: "Bill Mixon" Tone's symptoms do not sound like anaphylactic shock. The most prominent and threatening symptom of that is difficulty breathing or swallowing. When people who are truly allergic to bee stings get stung even once, it's a 911 situation if they don't have an epinephine injector with them. There is another source of epinephrine that can come in handy in emergency situations: over-the-counter asthma inhalers. People who know they are severely alergic to insect stings should be carrying an epi-pen (prescription injectible epinephrine in a single dose pen-like device). But often people are unaware and epi-pens are expensive to maintain in a first aid kit. But there is something that is often available for other uses which also contains epinephrine. Over the counter, asthma inhalers like Primatine and others are basically epinephrine and can be used to administer emergency life-saving doses in the absense of the injectable form. Of course the patient has to be able to breath at least a little and multiple doses (10 - 20 good puffs or more) are required to approach the proper dose -- much more than for asthma control. But, benefits can often be seen after just a few puffs. Here is a fairly good article on the subject (just one I found after a quick search): http://www.wemsi.org/epinephrine.html Note, I am not a medical professional in any form but I have taken wilderness first-aid courses which cover this as a sub-topic. William - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Tone's adventure with bees
Hi, Quoting Bill Mixon at Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:16:52 -0600 in <006e01c7b2070c0bc0$c044490c@yourvvx88vyrxo>: Tone's symptoms do not sound like anaphylactic shock. The most prominent and threatening symptom of that is difficulty breathing or swallowing. When people who are truly allergic to bee stings get stung even once, it's a 911 situation if they don't have an epinephine injector with them. That was my interpretation as well. I would have expected swelling and trouble breathing shortly after the stings. I'm not an expert though. Another aspect that I had heard about before but weren't able to find much sources on is that bees first will bump into you before they start attacking. I found one website talking about this: "However, killer bees have an early warning system to alert their victims to danger. Dr Erickson discovered that in killer bee colonies a handful of bees are on constant patrol covering about a 30m radius around their home. If you enter this zone the bees will collide with you, not sting you, as a warning to leave their territory. If you heed the warning and go they will not attack." http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/stranger-than-fiction/killerbees.html A few websites (that all seemed to be based on the same source) mentioned that it's not a good idea to jump into water when attacked by bees - the bees would wait for you to come out. Does anybody have experienced that? Cheers, David - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Tone's adventure with bees
This article is interesting. The source might be biased as it was written by a beekeeper, but it sounds pretty rational. http://www.honeybeeworld.com/misc/stings.htm George On 6/18/07, Bill Mixon wrote: Tone's symptoms do not sound like anaphylactic shock. The most prominent and threatening symptom of that is difficulty breathing or swallowing. When people who are truly allergic to bee stings get stung even once, it's a 911 situation if they don't have an epinephine injector with them. Being covered with a rash is also a classic symptom, as Don described. If the bee has left its stinger in your skin, don't grab it to pull it out. That may result in squeezing more poison into your skin. Scrape it off. If it's any comfort to you, the bee dies after stinging you. It's a suicide attack to protect the hive. -- Mixon --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Tone's adventure with bees
Tone's symptoms do not sound like anaphylactic shock. The most prominent and threatening symptom of that is difficulty breathing or swallowing. When people who are truly allergic to bee stings get stung even once, it's a 911 situation if they don't have an epinephine injector with them. Being covered with a rash is also a classic symptom, as Don described. If the bee has left its stinger in your skin, don't grab it to pull it out. That may result in squeezing more poison into your skin. Scrape it off. If it's any comfort to you, the bee dies after stinging you. It's a suicide attack to protect the hive. -- Mixon --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
