[Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver
While I'm in favor of paper copies of the Texas Caver as it presently exists, it is worth pointing out some advantages of going the route of making it _completely_ on the Web, with no paper distribution at all. 1) There would be virtually no costs in money of publishing. 2) Therefore it could be made freely available on the TSA Web site, as Gill suggests, without messing with things like passwords. Since the TC doesn't publish exact locations of wild caves anyway, I don't see any reason to hide its contents, except the possible problem of inviting non-cavers to TCR. (The editor might have to be careful not to print things that might be misunderstood by non-members, though.) 3) It would be easier on the editor, not only saving the effort of arranging printing and mailing, but also the nuisance of keeping each issue a multiple of 4 pages. 4) It could be entirely in color at no extra cost. (But don't use color gratuitously in ways that wouldn't work well in a black-and- white printout--much cheaper than color, at least on laser printers.) 5) It could appear at a higher frequency at no extra cost, since the covers wouldn't cost TSA any more than any other page and there wouldn't be any binding or mailing expenses. Monthly six-page issues would be little more work and no more cost than quarterly twenty-four page issues. 6) It could contain more material at little additional effort and no additional cost. For example, educational things about cave science or conservation could be reprinted from other sources to make the TC more of an educational resource. Even more photos. Maybe more of those book reviews that somebody keeps posting on this e-mail list... I could, of course, come up with a similar list of disadvantages. Nevertheless, if such a scheme resulted in a larger, more frequent, and more informative Texas Caver, I'd be in favor of it. What I don't see the point of is published a paper magazine and then trying to talk people out of getting a paper copy, not taking any real advantage of Web publishing and saving just part of the cost.--Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver
I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where registered members present can vote for a majority. Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: While I'm in favor of paper copies of the Texas Caver as it presently exists, it is worth pointing out some advantages of going the route of making it _completely_ on the Web, with no paper distribution at all. 1) There would be virtually no costs in money of publishing. 2) Therefore it could be made freely available on the TSA Web site, as Gill suggests, without messing with things like passwords. Since the TC doesn't publish exact locations of wild caves anyway, I don't see any reason to hide its contents, except the possible problem of inviting non-cavers to TCR. (The editor might have to be careful not to print things that might be misunderstood by non-members, though.) 3) It would be easier on the editor, not only saving the effort of arranging printing and mailing, but also the nuisance of keeping each issue a multiple of 4 pages. 4) It could be entirely in color at no extra cost. (But don't use color gratuitously in ways that wouldn't work well in a black-and-white printout--much cheaper than color, at least on laser printers.) 5) It could appear at a higher frequency at no extra cost, since the covers wouldn't cost TSA any more than any other page and there wouldn't be any binding or mailing expenses. Monthly six-page issues would be little more work and no more cost than quarterly twenty-four page issues. 6) It could contain more material at little additional effort and no additional cost. For example, educational things about cave science or conservation could be reprinted from other sources to make the TC more of an educational resource. Even more photos. Maybe more of those book reviews that somebody keeps posting on this e-mail list... I could, of course, come up with a similar list of disadvantages. Nevertheless, if such a scheme resulted in a larger, more frequent, and more informative Texas Caver, I'd be in favor of it. What I don't see the point of is published a paper magazine and then trying to talk people out of getting a paper copy, not taking any real advantage of Web publishing and saving just part of the cost.--Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver
Fuck Yeah! I was hoping you would say Silence is consent, but its perfect. I hope you get a good response. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where registered members present can vote for a majority. Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: While I'm in favor of paper copies of the Texas Caver as it presently exists, it is worth pointing out some advantages of going the route of making it _completely_ on the Web, with no paper distribution at all. 1) There would be virtually no costs in money of publishing. 2) Therefore it could be made freely available on the TSA Web site, as Gill suggests, without messing with things like passwords. Since the TC doesn't publish exact locations of wild caves anyway, I don't see any reason to hide its contents, except the possible problem of inviting non-cavers to TCR. (The editor might have to be careful not to print things that might be misunderstood by non-members, though.) 3) It would be easier on the editor, not only saving the effort of arranging printing and mailing, but also the nuisance of keeping each issue a multiple of 4 pages. 4) It could be entirely in color at no extra cost. (But don't use color gratuitously in ways that wouldn't work well in a black-and-white printout--much cheaper than color, at least on laser printers.) 5) It could appear at a higher frequency at no extra cost, since the covers wouldn't cost TSA any more than any other page and there wouldn't be any binding or mailing expenses. Monthly six-page issues would be little more work and no more cost than quarterly twenty-four page issues. 6) It could contain more material at little additional effort and no additional cost. For example, educational things about cave science or conservation could be reprinted from other sources to make the TC more of an educational resource. Even more photos. Maybe more of those book reviews that somebody keeps posting on this e-mail list... I could, of course, come up with a similar list of disadvantages. Nevertheless, if such a scheme resulted in a larger, more frequent, and more informative Texas Caver, I'd be in favor of it. What I don't see the point of is published a paper magazine and then trying to talk people out of getting a paper copy, not taking any real advantage of Web publishing and saving just part of the cost.--Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver
Oh yeah, I forgot that part of it :) Sorry, multi-tasking here at work. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Fuck Yeah! I was hoping you would say Silence is consent, but its perfect. I hope you get a good response. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where registered members present can vote for a majority. Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: While I'm in favor of paper copies of the Texas Caver as it presently exists, it is worth pointing out some advantages of going the route of making it _completely_ on the Web, with no paper distribution at all. 1) There would be virtually no costs in money of publishing. 2) Therefore it could be made freely available on the TSA Web site, as Gill suggests, without messing with things like passwords. Since the TC doesn't publish exact locations of wild caves anyway, I don't see any reason to hide its contents, except the possible problem of inviting non-cavers to TCR. (The editor might have to be careful not to print things that might be misunderstood by non-members, though.) 3) It would be easier on the editor, not only saving the effort of arranging printing and mailing, but also the nuisance of keeping each issue a multiple of 4 pages. 4) It could be entirely in color at no extra cost. (But don't use color gratuitously in ways that wouldn't work well in a black-and-white printout--much cheaper than color, at least on laser printers.) 5) It could appear at a higher frequency at no extra cost, since the covers wouldn't cost TSA any more than any other page and there wouldn't be any binding or mailing expenses. Monthly six-page issues would be little more work and no more cost than quarterly twenty-four page issues. 6) It could contain more material at little additional effort and no additional cost. For example, educational things about cave science or conservation could be reprinted from other sources to make the TC more of an educational resource. Even more photos. Maybe more of those book reviews that somebody keeps posting on this e-mail list... I could, of course, come up with a similar list of disadvantages. Nevertheless, if such a scheme resulted in a larger, more frequent, and more informative Texas Caver, I'd be in favor of it. What I don't see the point of is published a paper magazine and then trying to talk people out of getting a paper copy, not taking any real advantage of Web publishing and saving just part of the cost.--Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver
I second, third, and fourth that motion. See y'all there! Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:41 AM To: Cavetex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where registered members present can vote for a majority. Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: While I'm in favor of paper copies of the Texas Caver as it presently exists, it is worth pointing out some advantages of going the route of making it _completely_ on the Web, with no paper distribution at all.
Re: [Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver
Sorry to call you on thisbutActually...you can't second, third or fourth a motion via email.nor can one make a motion via e mail.as the TSA by laws make no provisions for such proceedings. If in doubt, I always look to Roberts rules of order for guidance in such issuesbut must admit that this issue arose on a board of which I am a director..we had to change our by laws to allow such proceedings. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:27 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: I second, third, and fourth that motion. See y'all there! Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:41 AM To: Cavetex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where registered members present can vote for a majority. Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: While I'm in favor of paper copies of the Texas Caver as it presently exists, it is worth pointing out some advantages of going the route of making it _completely_ on the Web, with no paper distribution at all. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
