Re: [Texascavers] caving dreams
Pete, I was referring to the incident in the 70's with the Laredo cavers. I left out the part that I drove to Chechyna "alone" from San Luis Potosi, Mexico in under 24 hours to meet the group, but that the other caver with me was likely a Texas caver. How come when we are dreaming we can not recognize that it is a dream. I know in my dream that I was saying to myself "none of this makes any ph*cking sense." ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] caving dreams
When it comes to drugs I'll have whatever you are having! Sleazel In a message dated 3/3/2017 1:39:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dlocklea...@gmail.com writes: Do any of you ever have really weird or bizarre caving dreams ? The story below is a true recollection, if the memory of the dream is correct. I seldom remember my dreams, but the one last night was very vivid and as realistic as my experiences in regular life, and in the end was frightening. I remember parts of it clearly 8 hours later. It started with a friend and I and 2 unknown European cavers ridge-walking in a fancy rich neighborhood of billion-dollar palaces built into the cliffs of some Chinese-like karst pinnacles in what was supposed to be an unmapped desert region of Chechnya. But then we came up on an undiscovered cave and just inside the entrance was a slope leading to tropical-like pit in the twilight-zone that was unlike anything I have ever seen. It had a bizarre metal rung cable-ladder a foot wide leading down the very steep slope for nearly 100 feet to a metal spike about 1-1/2" in diameter and 18 inches long angled 30 degree upwards. The 2 European guys were convinced the pit was only 450 feet and I said that I sensed it was over a thousand feet. But none of us threw a rock down the pit. One caver had a 300 foot rope and the other a 100 foot rope. They were mad at me because the week before I was supposedly driving from Mazatlan eastward solo across the western Sierra Madres, and I was supposed to stop in Nuevo Laredo and get my 1,000 foot rope which had been in storage rental unit there for years. [ real life - have a 600 footer in a storage unit in Brenham ] Anyways the 2 European cavers began to rig the bizarre pit with just one tie-off to the giant metal spike.[ And I am quite certain that in the dream, I said to myself, "oh, no, this is going to be like the Punkin Incident. But I was going to follow their lead, nevertheless. ] Neither of the riggers had followed any safety protocol whatsoever, and both quickly fell into the pit becoming entangled in knotted rope about 30 feet down and 50 feet down. Chaos ensued. My other caving friend behind me at the entrance ran to get help. The smooth limestone wall of the pit that had been near vertical, suddenly seemed slightly less vertical with pitted handholds. And so, I preceded to try some free-climbing - something I could never do in real life. But then the mysterious cable-ladder had suddenly vanished. Any kind of rescue at that point was futile and the chances of me safely climbing out of the cave began to fade. And that is when I woke up breathing quite heavily. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] caving dreams
Interesting story, David. Did you see a similar incident at Punkin Cave? - Pete On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:39 AM, David wrote: Do any of you ever have really weird or bizarre caving dreams ? The story below is a true recollection, if the memory of the dream is correct. I seldom remember my dreams, but the one last night was very vivid and as realistic as my experiences in regular life, and in the end was frightening. I remember parts of it clearly 8 hours later. It started with a friend and I and 2 unknown European cavers ridge-walking in a fancy rich neighborhood of billion-dollar palaces built into the cliffs of some Chinese-like karst pinnacles in what was supposed to be an unmapped desert region of Chechnya. But then we came up on an undiscovered cave and just inside the entrance was a slope leading to tropical-like pit in the twilight-zone that was unlike anything I have ever seen. It had a bizarre metal rung cable-ladder a foot wide leading down the very steep slope for nearly 100 feet to a metal spike about 1-1/2" in diameter and 18 inches long angled 30 degree upwards. The 2 European guys were convinced the pit was only 450 feet and I said that I sensed it was over a thousand feet. But none of us threw a rock down the pit. One caver had a 300 foot rope and the other a 100 foot rope.They were mad at me because the week before I was supposedly driving from Mazatlan eastward solo across the western Sierra Madres, and I was supposed to stop in Nuevo Laredo and get my 1,000 foot rope which had been in storage rental unit there for years. [ real life - have a 600 footer in a storage unit in Brenham ] Anyways the 2 European cavers began to rig the bizarre pit with just one tie-off to the giant metal spike.[ And I am quite certain that in the dream, I said to myself, "oh, no, this is going to be like the Punkin Incident. But I was going to follow their lead, nevertheless. ] Neither of the riggers had followed any safety protocol whatsoever, and both quickly fell into the pit becoming entangled in knotted rope about 30 feet down and 50 feet down. Chaos ensued. My other caving friend behind me at the entrance ran to get help. The smooth limestone wall of the pit that had been near vertical, suddenly seemed slightly less vertical with pitted handholds. And so, I preceded to try some free-climbing - something I could never do in real life. But then the mysterious cable-ladder had suddenly vanished. Any kind of rescue at that point was futile and the chances of me safely climbing out of the cave began to fade. And that is when I woke up breathing quite heavily. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] caving dreams
Do any of you ever have really weird or bizarre caving dreams ? The story below is a true recollection, if the memory of the dream is correct. I seldom remember my dreams, but the one last night was very vivid and as realistic as my experiences in regular life, and in the end was frightening. I remember parts of it clearly 8 hours later. It started with a friend and I and 2 unknown European cavers ridge-walking in a fancy rich neighborhood of billion-dollar palaces built into the cliffs of some Chinese-like karst pinnacles in what was supposed to be an unmapped desert region of Chechnya. But then we came up on an undiscovered cave and just inside the entrance was a slope leading to tropical-like pit in the twilight-zone that was unlike anything I have ever seen. It had a bizarre metal rung cable-ladder a foot wide leading down the very steep slope for nearly 100 feet to a metal spike about 1-1/2" in diameter and 18 inches long angled 30 degree upwards. The 2 European guys were convinced the pit was only 450 feet and I said that I sensed it was over a thousand feet. But none of us threw a rock down the pit. One caver had a 300 foot rope and the other a 100 foot rope. They were mad at me because the week before I was supposedly driving from Mazatlan eastward solo across the western Sierra Madres, and I was supposed to stop in Nuevo Laredo and get my 1,000 foot rope which had been in storage rental unit there for years. [ real life - have a 600 footer in a storage unit in Brenham ] Anyways the 2 European cavers began to rig the bizarre pit with just one tie-off to the giant metal spike.[ And I am quite certain that in the dream, I said to myself, "oh, no, this is going to be like the Punkin Incident. But I was going to follow their lead, nevertheless. ] Neither of the riggers had followed any safety protocol whatsoever, and both quickly fell into the pit becoming entangled in knotted rope about 30 feet down and 50 feet down. Chaos ensued. My other caving friend behind me at the entrance ran to get help. The smooth limestone wall of the pit that had been near vertical, suddenly seemed slightly less vertical with pitted handholds. And so, I preceded to try some free-climbing - something I could never do in real life. But then the mysterious cable-ladder had suddenly vanished. Any kind of rescue at that point was futile and the chances of me safely climbing out of the cave began to fade. And that is when I woke up breathing quite heavily. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
