Re: [Texascavers] Digging Question

[Logan McNatt via Texascavers]

  
  
Or use the Crash Trash Extractor!

On 12/3/2017 5:20 PM, Jim Kennedy via
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  Track hoe with a grapple (claw-type grabber attachment). 

Jim

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On Dec 3, 2017, at 9:08 AM, John Brooks via Texascavers  wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had experience or techniques for extracting bailing wire plugs from a sinkhole ?

We know where the really good leads are on a ranch because the rancher that previously owned the property threw bailing wire into the really nice sinkholes to plug the holes up.
We have looped chains through the bailing wire and pulled plugs out of several sinkholes successfullyand found several new caves.

The "plugged" sinks are upstream of a very large cave in the recharge area.

But one of the best sinkhole leads has us mystified. 

The bailing wire is rusted and fragile. And there is significant organic matter captured in the wire mat. So the previous technique is not working.

We have several untested ideas. 

But thought someone might have experienced this before. Any ideas ?

Please contact me offline with responses.

John Brooks

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Re: [Texascavers] Digging Question

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

Track hoe with a grapple (claw-type grabber attachment). 

Jim

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> On Dec 3, 2017, at 9:08 AM, John Brooks via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if anyone had experience or techniques for extracting bailing 
> wire plugs from a sinkhole ?
> 
> We know where the really good leads are on a ranch because the rancher that 
> previously owned the property threw bailing wire into the really nice 
> sinkholes to plug the holes up.
> We have looped chains through the bailing wire and pulled plugs out of 
> several sinkholes successfullyand found several new caves.
> 
> The "plugged" sinks are upstream of a very large cave in the recharge area.
> 
> But one of the best sinkhole leads has us mystified. 
> 
> The bailing wire is rusted and fragile. And there is significant organic 
> matter captured in the wire mat. So the previous technique is not working.
> 
> We have several untested ideas. 
> 
> But thought someone might have experienced this before. Any ideas ?
> 
> Please contact me offline with responses.
> 
> John Brooks
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Digging Question

[Allan Cobb via Texascavers]

Weave tubular sling through it and pull with man-power or a come-along. 
Keep repeating as needed.


Allan


On 12/3/2017 10:08 AM, John Brooks via Texascavers wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had experience or techniques for extracting bailing 
wire plugs from a sinkhole ?

We know where the really good leads are on a ranch because the rancher that 
previously owned the property threw bailing wire into the really nice sinkholes 
to plug the holes up.
We have looped chains through the bailing wire and pulled plugs out of several 
sinkholes successfullyand found several new caves.

The "plugged" sinks are upstream of a very large cave in the recharge area.

But one of the best sinkhole leads has us mystified.

The bailing wire is rusted and fragile. And there is significant organic matter 
captured in the wire mat. So the previous technique is not working.

We have several untested ideas.

But thought someone might have experienced this before. Any ideas ?

Please contact me offline with responses.

John Brooks

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[Texascavers] Digging Question

[John Brooks via Texascavers]

I was wondering if anyone had experience or techniques for extracting bailing 
wire plugs from a sinkhole ?

We know where the really good leads are on a ranch because the rancher that 
previously owned the property threw bailing wire into the really nice sinkholes 
to plug the holes up.
We have looped chains through the bailing wire and pulled plugs out of several 
sinkholes successfullyand found several new caves.

The "plugged" sinks are upstream of a very large cave in the recharge area.

But one of the best sinkhole leads has us mystified. 

The bailing wire is rusted and fragile. And there is significant organic matter 
captured in the wire mat. So the previous technique is not working.

We have several untested ideas. 

But thought someone might have experienced this before. Any ideas ?

Please contact me offline with responses.

John Brooks

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Re: [Texascavers] digging

[Julie Jenkins]

psst, Nance, don't tell him.
it was a wonderful story at the perfect time.
thanks for sharing that one
jules

mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com wrote: Just curious, what cave is it that 
you were digging on. I haven't heard the story.

Nancy Weaver nan...@io.com wrote:Yesterday I went digging.  A friend 
came and picked me up and off we went to one of those ubiquitous oversized 
subdivisions where the city pushes hungrily against former ranch and 
pasturelands.  We walked through the upscale 'backyard' zone, with barking dog 
and chiminea to the liveoak that marked the border of thicket and brush and 
whose roots twined down into the same crevice that we were interested in.  An 
easy sloping depression funnels into a massively bedded slot 8 feet long, 3 
feet wide and after many dig hours on another day, 4 feet deep.  Glorious rich 
black clayey soil tantalized at the  bottom of a crack which clearly gathers a 
substantial watershed, replenishing the aquifer.
  

  We were there to remove the last soil and see what lay beneath.  It was a 
cold hard clear blue day, we were bundled in several layers.  Alternately, we 
squeezed into the narrow slot, crouched on a ledge and digging prying scooping 
out soil from foot level, then passing a small bucket up to the person on top 
who went off and emptied it.  As the dirt receded, our optimism waxed and 
waned.  We worked companionably for a couple of hours, talking of books and 
movies, of ideas, of the uselessness of the pot metal gardening tool which 
immediately curled up, of how nice a pair of loppers would be for the thick 
tree roots that ultimately penetrated further than we did.  Our efforts warmed 
us up to shirt sleeves and used combinations of muscles rarely called on.   
Finally we agreed that we had reached the limits of our  exploration.  
Thoroughly satisfied, we trudged our muddy tools back to the truck, drove off 
to get some food, discuss other possible digs.
  

  It was just such a day as this, of pleasant easygoing companionship in the 
woods many years ago, when we discovered what is now the one of the largest 
caves in travis county.  but that is another story.
  

  If you believe there is nothing left of value to find, that is the experience 
you will have.
  

  Nancy



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[Texascavers] digging

[Nancy Weaver]

Yesterday I went digging.  A friend came and picked me up and off we 
went to one of those ubiquitous oversized subdivisions where the city 
pushes hungrily against former ranch and pasturelands.  We walked 
through the upscale 'backyard' zone, with barking dog and chiminea to 
the liveoak that marked the border of thicket and brush and whose 
roots twined down into the same crevice that we were interested in. 
An easy sloping depression funnels into a massively bedded slot 8 
feet long, 3 feet wide and after many dig hours on another day, 4 
feet deep.  Glorious rich black clayey soil tantalized at the bottom 
of a crack which clearly gathers a substantial watershed, 
replenishing the aquifer.


We were there to remove the last soil and see what lay beneath.  It 
was a cold hard clear blue day, we were bundled in several layers. 
Alternately, we squeezed into the narrow slot, crouched on a ledge 
and digging prying scooping out soil from foot level, then passing a 
small bucket up to the person on top who went off and emptied it.  As 
the dirt receded, our optimism waxed and waned.  We worked 
companionably for a couple of hours, talking of books and movies, of 
ideas, of the uselessness of the pot metal gardening tool which 
immediately curled up, of how nice a pair of loppers would be for the 
thick tree roots that ultimately penetrated further than we did.  Our 
efforts warmed us up to shirt sleeves and used combinations of 
muscles rarely called on.   Finally we agreed that we had reached the 
limits of our exploration.  Thoroughly satisfied, we trudged our 
muddy tools back to the truck, drove off to get some food, discuss 
other possible digs.


It was just such a day as this, of pleasant easygoing companionship 
in the woods many years ago, when we discovered what is now the one 
of the largest caves in travis county.  but that is another story.


If you believe there is nothing left of value to find, that is the 
experience you will have.


Nancy

Re: [Texascavers] digging

[mark gee]

Just curious, what cave is it that you were digging on. I haven't heard the 
story.

Nancy Weaver nan...@io.com wrote:Yesterday I went digging.  A friend 
came and picked me up and off we went to one of those ubiquitous oversized 
subdivisions where the city pushes hungrily against former ranch and 
pasturelands.  We walked through the upscale 'backyard' zone, with barking dog 
and chiminea to the liveoak that marked the border of thicket and brush and 
whose roots twined down into the same crevice that we were interested in.  An 
easy sloping depression funnels into a massively bedded slot 8 feet long, 3 
feet wide and after many dig hours on another day, 4 feet deep.  Glorious rich 
black clayey soil tantalized at the bottom of a crack which clearly gathers a 
substantial watershed, replenishing the aquifer.
  

  We were there to remove the last soil and see what lay beneath.  It was a 
cold hard clear blue day, we were bundled in several layers.  Alternately, we 
squeezed into the narrow slot, crouched on a ledge and digging prying scooping 
out soil from foot level, then passing a small bucket up to the person on top 
who went off and emptied it.  As the dirt receded, our optimism waxed and 
waned.  We worked companionably for a couple of hours, talking of books and 
movies, of ideas, of the uselessness of the pot metal gardening tool which 
immediately curled up, of how nice a pair of loppers would be for the thick 
tree roots that ultimately penetrated further than we did.  Our efforts warmed 
us up to shirt sleeves and used combinations of muscles rarely called on.   
Finally we agreed that we had reached the limits of our exploration.  
Thoroughly satisfied, we trudged our muddy tools back to the truck, drove off 
to get some food, discuss other possible digs.
  

  It was just such a day as this, of pleasant easygoing companionship in the 
woods many years ago, when we discovered what is now the one of the largest 
caves in travis county.  but that is another story.
  

  If you believe there is nothing left of value to find, that is the experience 
you will have.
  

  Nancy


   
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