For goodness sake! You should all go Google yourselves! ;-) Do you
all complain this much when your snail mail address is sold and you
receive
50lbs worth of junk mail each month?
Sheryl (writing down all these email addresses so I can sell them. I
need some cash.)
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:48 AM
To: Rod Goke
Cc: Bill Bentley; John Brooks; Mark Alman; TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
Rod, your paranoia is unwarranted here, only by the fact that over
360
people have your email address and each others. Anyone of them could
harvest most of the emails after a bit of time by keeping track of
who
posted an email to this list.
Do you completely trust every one of these 360 people? The odds that
one of them would sell out is far greater than one of the "TSA"
people, who are duly elected by some of these people.
If the TC goes free, it won't be in the password protected section,
it
will be available on the front page.
Blaming the TSA for something that has never happened is just bad
press, and you should know better, as a member of the TSA.
Charles
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> For the record, I like TSA, too, which is why I've maintained my
TSA membership ever since moving to Texas about 25 years ago. I, too,
think
that Mark has been doing a great job as editor, and I much appreciate the
dedicated work that he and other TSA volunteers have been doing. Nor do I
blame TSA for the small amount of spam that occasionally slips through the
filters into my email account. (How could I blame TSA for that when they
don't even have my email address? ;-) )
>
> I still am not confident, however, that TSA can be trusted to
handle our email addresses responsibly. Look at Jerry's observation that
TSA
already has placed an online listing of its electronically registered
members on its password protected website. Then look at Gill's recent
proposal to make online access to the Texas Caver free for nonmembers.
Neither of these things necessarily involves an irresponsible release of
TSA
members' email addresses when considered separately (although I still
would
rather not have my email address on even a members-only password protected
online list). When both of these things are considered together, however,
along with all the other turmoil about TSA digital publication policies,
it
is easy to imagine how people might provide their email addresses to TSA
assuming one seemingly responsible privacy policy, only to discover later
that TSA has changed its mind and has made the email address list more
widely accessible than people had expected when they provided their
addresses.
>
> I chose to "throw this stone into the hornets nest," because I
wanted people to actually start thinking about the issue, instead of just
telling us "don't worry, be happy." The problem would be easy to fix if
TSA
simply would make a commitment to its members that no member's email
address
will be included in any online list unless that member explicitly "opts
in"
for inclusion in the list. TSA members need to be able to register for
website access without having their email addresses published in an online
list.
>
> Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bill Bentley <ca...@caver.net>
>>Sent: Dec 14, 2009 11:17 AM
>>To: John Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>
>>Cc: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
>>
>>For the record Mark, I wasn't blaming nor condeming the TSA, I was
just
>>stating the fact that I get hundreds of thousands of spam emails.
>>Mark, I like the TSA and I think I get my moneys worth from
volunteers who
>>are very much appreciated.
>>
>>Bill
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Brooks" <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "Bill Bentley" <ca...@caver.net>
>>Cc: "Rod Goke" <rod.g...@ieee.org>; "TexasCavers"
>><texascavers@texascavers.com>; "Rod Goke" <rod.g...@ieee.org>
>>Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:24 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
>>
>>
>>> The TSA has my e mail.....and I get....oh maybe one or two junk
mail
>>> messages per WEEK.
>>> Paranoia runs deep concerning e mail spam. But unjustly
condemning the TSA
>>> for something they are not doing or really at fault
for......hardly seems
>>> fair or reasonable.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 6:37 AM, "Bill Bentley" <ca...@caver.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Rod,
>>> My ca...@caver.net email address gets a spam email message every
2 to 3
>>> seconds... literally thousands per hour... all of it goes into a
spam
>>> folder and good spam sorting software on the email server helps
me figure
>>> what is crap and what is not... End of the day I am deleting a
lot of
>>> spam... If someone were to go after the companies who are
advertisng the
>>> drugs, diplomas and sex services then it mifght help curb it. I
feel that
>>> a complete overhaul of how email works wouold be the answer,
since you can
>>> currently send from and have the reply to address be different. A
lot of
>>> the spam I gets looks as if it is coming to me from me... but
buried in
>>> the header I find that it comes from Korea or China...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Goke"
<rod.g...@earthlink.net>
>>> To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>>> Cc: "Rod Goke" <rod.g...@ieee.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:04 AM
>>> Subject: [Texascavers] Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?
>>>
>>>
>>> All this talk about electronic vs. paper publication of the Texas
Caver
>>> reminds me of a related issue:
>>>
>>> Is it safe to give your email address to TSA?
>>>
>>> For years TSA has been asking for our email addresses on the
membership
>>> renewal forms, and I have been refusing to give them mine. During
this
>>> same period, however, I have been providing my email address
(along with
>>> mailing address and phone numbers) to the UT Grotto for
publication in
>>> their "UT Grotto Phone List". Why is it that I have felt that my
email
>>> address was sufficiently safe with the UT Grotto but not with
TSA? The
>>> answer is that the "UT Grotto Phone List" is published only in
paper form,
>>> where email addresses and other personal information is not
likely to be
>>> harvested by spammers, telemarketers, search engines, etc.
>>>
>>> I don't have that kind of confidence in TSA, however, because for
years,
>>> I've heard various people within TSA advocating expanded use of
digital
>>> publication without adequately considering the negative
consequences of
>>> what they are advocating. Most disturbing has been the proposal
I've heard
>>> from time to time that TSA publish its membership list
information
>>> electronically, perhaps by placing it on a web site. This might
be cheap
>>> and convenient for TSA to implement and for TSA members to use,
but it
>>> also could make our personal information much more vulnerable to
automated
>>> harvesting by those who would use it in ways we never intended.
Once our
>>> email addresses, cell phone numbers, etc. have been harvested
from a
>>> digitally published list, there would be no cheap and convenient
way to
>>> undo the damage. How can we be confident that the continuing push
towards
>>> digital publication within TSA will not lead to ill considered
digital
>>> publication of email addresses
>>> and other information vulnerable to automated harvesting?
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>>
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