[Texascavers] book review: Naica crystals
"Crystal Giants in the Caves of Naica." Edited by Giovanni Badino. La Venta—Explorazioni Geografiche, Italy; 2008. ISBN 978-88-95370-04-0. 8.5 by 8.5 inches, 48 pages, hardbound. About $23 from cave-book sellers or the Association for Mexican Cave Studies at amcs-pubs.org. [AMCS price $20 plus shipping.] Most cavers who are reading this will have, unless they recently immigrated from Mars, heard of the Cave of the Crystals in the Peñoles Mine in the town of Naica, Chihuahua, Mexico. There have been numerous articles and web pages about the 10-meter-long gypsum crystals in the cave room accidentally opened by mining in 2000, but this is the first book publication about them. The main feature of the book is eighteen large color photos, some covering two full pages, but there is also text, translated from Italian, about the discovery of the room, the techniques developed to explore and map a cave that has 100-percent humidity and a temperature of 118 degrees F., and the future of the cave. The room is only accessible because sixteen thousand gallons of hot water per minute are being pumped out to keep the mine dewatered, at a cost of a million dollars a month for electricity. A mineral vein is sort of like a cave--you can't tell where the ore will end until it does. When it does, photos like those in this book will be all that remains for us of the Cave of the Crystals.—Bill Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: Naica crystals
Ted, >Why not a link to the original journal pdf? Because it is by subscription only. Not publicly accessible except through universities or other places which subscribe to the online journal. Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: Naica crystals
No worries, thanks Mark. On 4/20/07, Minton, Mark wrote: Charles, >>That's a copyrighted journal article. You probably shouldn't do that... >any idea if this article is already on the web, so we can just link to it? It is, but it is by subscription only. I'm in Mexico and cannot give you more details at the moment. Mark
RE: Naica crystals
Charles, >>That's a copyrighted journal article. You probably shouldn't do that... >any idea if this article is already on the web, so we can just link to it? It is, but it is by subscription only. I'm in Mexico and cannot give you more details at the moment. Mark
Re: [Texascavers] Naica crystals
Charles -- I already sent copies to those who requested them. I don't see any need to have it on the TexasCavers site. Somebody sent me the link to it; that's how I got it. But I didn't save the link. -- Bill --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Naica crystals
Why not a link to the original journal pdf? I do that in the bibliography I maintain.. http://va.water.usgs.gov/GLOBAL/biblio.htm Ted -Original Message- >From: "Minton, Mark" >Sent: Apr 10, 2007 3:05 PM >To: Charles Goldsmith , Bill Mixon > >Cc: CaveTex >Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Naica crystals > >Charles, > >>>I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in >Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. > >>Bill, email it to me and I'll throw it on the website and give you the link, >>saving you the bandwidth of emailing it to multiple people. > > That´s a copyrighted journal article. You probably shouldn´t do that... > >Mark Minton > >- >Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/
Re: Naica crystals
Mark, any idea if this article is already on the web, so we can just link to it? On 4/10/07, Minton, Mark wrote: Charles, >>I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. >Bill, email it to me and I'll throw it on the website and give you the link, saving you the bandwidth of emailing it to multiple people. That´s a copyrighted journal article. You probably shouldn´t do that... Mark Minton
Re: [Texascavers] Naica crystals
No luck finding it, I've put it on the texascavers site, in an area that the search engine bots aren't allowed to archive. The link is http://texascavers.com/misc/geology35_327_07.pdf Charles On 4/10/07, Bill Mixon wrote: Charles -- I think it's already on the web somewhere. Here is a copy for you. Maybe you can track its URL down and just link to it. Might not be a good idea to duplicate it on web site, due to copyright issues. -- Bill --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org
RE: Naica crystals
Charles, >>I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. >Bill, email it to me and I'll throw it on the website and give you the link, >saving you the bandwidth of emailing it to multiple people. That´s a copyrighted journal article. You probably shouldn´t do that... Mark Minton
Re: [Texascavers] Naica crystals
Charles -- I think it's already on the web somewhere. Here is a copy for you. Maybe you can track its URL down and just link to it. Might not be a good idea to duplicate it on web site, due to copyright issues. -- Bill --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org Geology 35_327_07.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: [Texascavers] Naica crystals
Bill, email it to me and I'll throw it on the website and give you the link, saving you the bandwidth of emailing it to multiple people. Charles On 4/8/07, Bill Mixon wrote: I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. (Someone just posted a link to a news item about it.) If you'd like a copy, e-mail me. I'll probably wait a few days for all requests to come in so that I can send it out only once, to multiple people in a single e-mail. I had not known that anhydrite can be deposited directly from water that is hot enough. (I'd thought gypsum was always the original form, and that anhydrite was metamorphosed gypsum, in a manner of speaking.) The author thinks the large crystals were formed at a temperature near the point where the solubilities of gypsum and anhydrite are the same. Incidentally, the scale on the map of the Cave of the Crystals in the NSS News (February) is wrong. The map is the same one that appeared in Speleologia 55, from Italy, and the editors of Speleologia messed up the map when they prepared it for publication. I noticed, when working on an article for the AMCS, that the scale was inconsistent with the room's dimensions stated in the text and checked into it. For a map with the correct scale, see the forthcoming (about June) AMCS Activities Newsletter 30.--Bill Mixon --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Naica crystals
I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. (Someone just posted a link to a news item about it.) If you'd like a copy, e-mail me. I'll probably wait a few days for all requests to come in so that I can send it out only once, to multiple people in a single e-mail. I had not known that anhydrite can be deposited directly from water that is hot enough. (I'd thought gypsum was always the original form, and that anhydrite was metamorphosed gypsum, in a manner of speaking.) The author thinks the large crystals were formed at a temperature near the point where the solubilities of gypsum and anhydrite are the same. Incidentally, the scale on the map of the Cave of the Crystals in the NSS News (February) is wrong. The map is the same one that appeared in Speleologia 55, from Italy, and the editors of Speleologia messed up the map when they prepared it for publication. I noticed, when working on an article for the AMCS, that the scale was inconsistent with the room's dimensions stated in the text and checked into it. For a map with the correct scale, see the forthcoming (about June) AMCS Activities Newsletter 30.--Bill Mixon --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
