RE: [Texascavers] Damaging Formations on Caving Show

2008-01-25 Thread Fritz Holt
Karen,

As one who believes in conservation, I guess the only way to keep caves
truly pristine is for no one to enter them. However, I don't believe in
this approach. If no one entered them they would be of no use to
scientist or to the multitudes who visit them for their beauty,
entertainment and for the opportunity for adventure and discovery. From
that standpoint, it would be as if they did not exist.

Those who enjoy this vocation and avocation will visit caves when the
opportunity presents itself and most will take great care to do the
least amount of damage possible. Thanks to BCI and other organizations,
many non-cavers are aware of the vital benefits derived from bats and
cavers do what is necessary to protect them and their habitat. Here is
to many hours of enjoyment in our beautiful Texas caves and continued
work to preserve them.

Fritz

 

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From: Karen Perry [mailto:txcavem...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:19 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Damaging Formations on Caving Show

 

Gill is always so elegant in his wording. I appreciate his
perspective here. And as usual, he is right. When I started the Mirror
Lake Restoration Project at CCNP, we all (Dale, Tom, me) thought it
would a quick easy. That was until I did my first test patch in Oct.
2005. Now, if I get a 3 inch square complete in a day, I am happy. And
everything I am dealing with is from human intervention in the cave. 

 

At the deepest level of debris we have foot traffic mud from the
Jim White days. Then we get trail building materials on top of that from
the different trail evolutions. Add some splashing from years of hosing
down the trails to keep them clean, what you end up with is a fine
concrete of gunk on top of beautiful cave floor & formation. In places
it may only be a couple of millimeters thick, in others we have pulled
out as much as 18" of debris.

 

 Next, all this fragile beauty was formed over gypsum. Sadly
many areas have cracks or have broken and turned to dust under the
pattering of human feet. This has led to water dripping and oozing down
to the gypsum dissolving it and creating hollow spots. In short, what
was once an underground oasis of beautiful color and varying shapes in
design, turned into a dark, dirty, unsightly spot in this miraculous
cave. With lighting, much was and still is hidden. But with a flash
light one may now experience shades of yellow, white, dove grey, purple,
orange, red, white and blackish greys. Hidden in the gunk was cave
coral, cave pearl nest, small stalagmites, rim stone dams, lilly
pads small pools and so much more.

 

But still the conflict remains. The only way to keep caves
pristine is to stay out of them. Even with all we know about caving
softly, we still impact the environment with our very presence. And so
the dilemma continues. To cave or not to cave! Personnaly, I choose to
cave. May science reign, exploration continue and the human experience
become enriched by the marvels of nature!

Karen

At 02:40 PM 1/23/2008, Geary Schindel wrote:
>Regarding your comment about whether speleothems 
>should be removed for use in scientific 
>interest. Well that depends - most scientists 
>are very responsible about the removal of 
>speleothems and would not recommend that 
>prominent formations be removed and if a 
>specimen needed to be collected, that it be done 
>so to minimize the impacts to a cave.

Breaking or damaging cave formations 
(speleothems) has always been a philosophical No 
No within the caving community. The subject and 
the activity have received a lot of lip service 
and have been prominent points of cave 
conservation drilled into the minds of newbies 
using the force of peer pressure. Speleothem 
damage is routinely found appalling by cavers in 
public statements--verbal or written. But that is 
not necessarily the way formation removal is looked at
by cavers in a cave.

There are at least 2 camps, one pretty much on 
either end of the spectrum, of what one does in a 
cave when coming upon a nearly solid, 
impassable wall of columns blocking the way to a 
borehole passage on the other side of that 
curtain, clearly visible through unclosed gaps. 
One camp says that the need to break a formation 
in order to continue exploration means that the 
cave ends there. The sanctity of the formation is 
paramount 

Re: [Texascavers] Damaging Formations on Caving Show

2008-01-25 Thread Karen Perry
  Gill is always so elegant in his wording. I appreciate his perspective here. 
And as usual, he is right. When I started the Mirror Lake Restoration Project 
at CCNP, we all (Dale, Tom, me) thought it would a quick easy. That was until I 
did my first test patch in Oct. 2005. Now, if I get a 3 inch square complete in 
a day, I am happy. And everything I am dealing with is from human intervention 
in the cave. 
   
  At the deepest level of debris we have foot traffic mud from the Jim White 
days. Then we get trail building materials on top of that from the different 
trail evolutions. Add some splashing from years of hosing down the trails to 
keep them clean, what you end up with is a fine concrete of gunk on top of 
beautiful cave floor & formation. In places it may only be a couple of 
millimeters thick, in others we have pulled out as much as 18" of debris.
   
   Next, all this fragile beauty was formed over gypsum. Sadly many areas have 
cracks or have broken and turned to dust under the pattering of human feet. 
This has led to water dripping and oozing down to the gypsum dissolving it and 
creating hollow spots. In short, what was once an underground oasis of 
beautiful color and varying shapes in design, turned into a dark, dirty, 
unsightly spot in this miraculous cave. With lighting, much was and still is 
hidden. But with a flash light one may now experience shades of yellow, white, 
dove grey, purple, orange, red, white and blackish greys. Hidden in the gunk 
was cave coral, cave pearl nest, small stalagmites, rim stone dams, lilly 
pads small pools and so much more.
   
  But still the conflict remains. The only way to keep caves pristine is to 
stay out of them. Even with all we know about caving softly, we still impact 
the environment with our very presence. And so the dilemma continues. To cave 
or not to cave! Personnaly, I choose to cave. May science reign, exploration 
continue and the human experience become enriched by the marvels of nature!
  Karen


  At 02:40 PM 1/23/2008, Geary Schindel wrote:
>Regarding your comment about whether speleothems 
>should be removed for use in scientific 
>interest. Well that depends � most scientists 
>are very responsible about the removal of 
>speleothems and would not recommend that 
>prominent formations be removed and if a 
>specimen needed to be collected, that it be done 
>so to minimize the impacts to a cave.

Breaking or damaging cave formations 
(speleothems) has always been a philosophical No 
No within the caving community. The subject and 
the activity have received a lot of lip service 
and have been prominent points of cave 
conservation drilled into the minds of newbies 
using the force of peer pressure. Speleothem 
damage is routinely found appalling by cavers in 
public statements--verbal or written. But that is 
not necessarily the way formation removal is looked at by cavers in a cave.

There are at least 2 camps, one pretty much on 
either end of the spectrum, of what one does in a 
cave when coming upon a nearly solid, 
impassable wall of columns blocking the way to a 
borehole passage on the other side of that 
curtain, clearly visible through unclosed gaps. 
One camp says that the need to break a formation 
in order to continue exploration means that the 
cave ends there. The sanctity of the formation is 
paramount and precludes further exploration. The 
other camp pulls out a hammer and, being as 
conservative as possible, smashes a minimum of 
formations and, hopefully, in a location which 
will offer minimal negative visual impact. But 
smash formations they do, and without remorse of 
any effective sort. Pure exploration is the name 
of the game and it must be pursued at all costs. 
One of the main realities of the actions of these 
two camps is that the conservationist purists go 
into a cave on Saturday and turn around as is 
their wont, leaving the cave formations otherwise 
undisturbed, sacrificing their own exploration 
urges in the name of "doing what's right", then 
the exploration oriented crew goes into the cave 
on Sunday, smashes a hole through the curtain and 
scoops the booty. Who won here?

I think most cavers, while giving lip service to 
the rule of never breaking cave formations, would 
fall into the second camp when confronted with 
the reality of cave exploration. Is that 
hypocritical? In it's purist philosophical form, 
probably, but in practice it is merely a method 
of teaching and instilling a high awareness and 
practice of cave conservation in all cavers, new 
and established, while retaining some personal 
responsibility for making a decision to sacrifice 
a formation in pursuit of doing what one is there 
to do--explore the damned cave. That concept 
reeks of justification but, I think, most 
top-notch cavers have resolved the situation to 
where it doesn't bother them at all--so long as 
they are otherwise conscientious about how it's done. To wit:

One of the people who inf