RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best be achieved or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to make life better for people rather than punitively. Nance
Re: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:22:12 -0600 nan...@io.com wrote: I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best be achieved or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to make life better for people rather than punitively. Nance -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Don't ask, don't tell. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:21 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:22:12 -0600 nan...@io.com wrote: I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best be achieved or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to make life better for people rather than punitively. Nance -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU. That's probably just crazy talk, but it would make for a much shorter run of fence on the southern border. George
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
These are articles a quick G*@le search brought up: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823 And if you really want to laugh: http://protoplasm.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/rep-tancredo-proposes-to-use- illegal-immigrants-to-build-border-fence/ So it seems that Illegal Immigrants are being used! Looks like one is following the lead of Israel, who are using Palestinians to build their wall :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Linda Palit [mailto:lkpa...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:27 AM To: 'Lyndon Tiu'; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Don't ask, don't tell. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:21 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:22:12 -0600 nan...@io.com wrote: I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best be achieved or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to make life better for people rather than punitively. Nance -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Lyndon Tiu asked: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? Didn't you read the article? First paragraph says: Amid a strong warning from Congress, the Homeland Security Department last week conditionally accepted delivery of the first phase of a controversial electronic border fence from contractor Boeing Co., and awarded the company a $64 million contract to build the next phase.
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Boeing gets the money - who does the work? Lyndon Tiu asked: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? Didn't you read the article? First paragraph says: Amid a strong warning from Congress, the Homeland Security Department last week conditionally accepted delivery of the first phase of a controversial electronic border fence from contractor Boeing Co., and awarded the company a $64 million contract to build the next phase.
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
You don't know unless you read the contract. Government contracts are public documents which you can get through FOIA. But I can tell you that, in general, the government restricts contractors from hiring anyone for a government job who is not a US citizen or who does not have a workers visa. Plus, all contractors' employees have to have to pass a background check. This is a post-911 reg from Homeland Security. We're building an addition to our building here and any worker who has unrestricted, unsupervised access to either the addition or our current building must pass a background check. Frankly, I don't think there's anything nefarious going on on the border, just a lot of incredible stupidity and lack of forethought. Unfortunately, stupidity is not a prosecutable crime. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:36:39 -0600To: Texascavers@texascavers.comFrom: nancyw@io.comSubject: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Boeing gets the money - who does the work? Lyndon Tiu asked: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? Didn't you read the article? First paragraph says: Amid a strong warning from Congress, the Homeland Security Department last week conditionally accepted delivery of the first phase of a controversial electronic border fence from contractor Boeing Co., and awarded the company a $64 million contract to build the next phase.
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Just like truck drivers in Iraq: bill US union-hazard rates (three
digits an hour, i heard), then hire labor from Pakistan for $60 a
day. Every body's happy. Remember that Haliburton has moved HQ to
Dubai . . .
-k
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RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Thank you, Louise. This information is most enlightening and of the type that we may not get from our newspapers. This confirms my belief that our federal government is too large, out of control, without intelligent oversight and totally without good judgment. Our government and its legislators can't reason and don't make wise decisions. The committees entrusted with our national and border security are not comprised of individuals with the smarts to do the job. Or, the committees are packed with legislators from Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California seeking pork for their constituents. The first phase at $20,000,000. for 28 miles of security (which doesn't work properly) is bad enough but to award a contract of $64,000,000. for phase two, for some length that I may have missed, is really insane and should be criminal. I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best be achieved by increasing our Border Patrol officers about five or ten fold. This would add new jobs to a respected branch of law enforcement, do a better job and probably at less cost when the maintenance of high tech equipment is taken into consideration. The bad part is that we are all paying for this boondoggle. I wish that I had the smarts to have been a legislator as I think that I could have done better, at least on this issue. I do not consider this to be a political statement but is a condemnation of all of our legislators. Fritz _ From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:52 AM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence This is sort of on-topic/off-topic since it deals with the Texas-Mexican border which we all know and love. GovExec.com had an article this morning which may interest those of you who are curious about what's going on with the detection system. http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=38790dcn=e_gvet GovExec.com is the website for a hardcopy magazine Government Executive. If you check out the site periodically, you may find out about a lot of things going on in the government that you didn't know about. It is an independent site, not affiliated with any party or individual. http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w2/emoticons/snail.gif
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
I'm really interested in this wireless satellite network technology; i've been concerned that all those wires going up to low-earth-orbit satellites are becomming a hazard to commercial airline traffic. I've no idea how an accident hasn't already happened! Nice to see the people in charge of this country have a clue ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE Cheers, Stefan From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:52 AM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence This is sort of on-topic/off-topic since it deals with the Texas-Mexican border which we all know and love. GovExec.com had an article this morning which may interest those of you who are curious about what's going on with the detection system. http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=38790dcn=e_gvet GovExec.com is the website for a hardcopy magazine Government Executive. If you check out the site periodically, you may find out about a lot of things going on in the government that you didn't know about. It is an independent site, not affiliated with any party or individual. http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w2/ltr/../emoticons/snail.gif -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Fritz said: This confirms my belief that our federal government is too large, out of control, without intelligent oversight and totally without good judgment. Our government and its legislators can’t reason and don’t make wise decisions. I'm a federal employee and frankly I resent it when people paint us all with the same brush. The huge majority of federal employees are honest, hardworking people just like anybody else. They do their jobs under more scrutiny and criticism than most people and still do a good job. They're probably your neighbor, your scout leader, the deacon in your church, the average joe you have a beer with at your local pub. By your standards, let's just judge all astronauts by the same measuring stick that we judged one crazy lady who drove clear to Florida to stalk her boyfriend's new girlfriend. Or all ministers or other church officials with the same measuring stick we use for priests or ministers who go astray. Or any decent hardworking actor by the same standards we use for people like Britany Spears. There are plenty of good apples in every barrel, so we shouldn't be judging them all by the bad apples. Such broad, general statements do everybody a disservice.
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Stefan, I like your first paragraph. Are you sure that you are not a legislator? Fritz _ From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:32 PM To: Louise Power; Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence I'm really interested in this wireless satellite network technology; i've been concerned that all those wires going up to low-earth-orbit satellites are becomming a hazard to commercial airline traffic. I've no idea how an accident hasn't already happened! Nice to see the people in charge of this country have a clue ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE Cheers, Stefan _ From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:52 AM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence This is sort of on-topic/off-topic since it deals with the Texas-Mexican border which we all know and love. GovExec.com had an article this morning which may interest those of you who are curious about what's going on with the detection system. http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=38790dcn=e_gvet GovExec.com is the website for a hardcopy magazine Government Executive. If you check out the site periodically, you may find out about a lot of things going on in the government that you didn't know about. It is an independent site, not affiliated with any party or individual. http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w2/emoticons/snail.gif -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
