Re: [Texascavers] TEXAS CAVER hard copies
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:37:13 -0600 gi...@worldnet.att.net wrote: At 08:22 AM 1/16/2009, Lyndon Tiu wrote: have both hard paper and electronic copies. ... and I'm perfectly happy with my electronic copy. I was just quoting somebody else. People can print their own damned hard copies! That is not a difficult thing to understand. Who's not paying attention? I say again: As I said in a previous email, it seems to me that only a small vocal minority are asking for hard copies and an even smaller minority wants both. I think most don't care either ways. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] TEXAS CAVER hard copies
I have been reading all of the controversy and also have an opinion. I have enjoyed receiving The Caver and its color pictures. However, I have access to a color copier at my office where I receive the posts and can print any issues that I would choose to save. I would believe that all members of the caving fraternity have a computer, and therefore, I am in favor of making receipt of The Caver electronically mandatory. This would allow the many dollars spent (wasted) on printing costs and postage to go towards the true objectives of the organization which is education, conservation and fun times for cavers and even us spelunkers. Fritz -Original Message- From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:37 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] TEXAS CAVER hard copies At 08:22 AM 1/16/2009, Lyndon Tiu wrote: have both hard paper and electronic copies. People can print their own damned hard copies! That is not a difficult thing to understand. Who's not paying attention? I say again: People can print their own damned hard copies! Blatantly simple. That is the beauty of getting an on-line version. You get either or both and at absolutely NO (read ZERO here) cost to the TSA. Then, do what thou wilt with them. Archive away--paper, digital, clay tablet, whatever you want. That is as bottom line as you can get. And as cheap and as simple. And just one field in the database. And no need for further discussion or confusion. It covers ALL the bases I've seen presented so far. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] TEXAS CAVER hard copies
Extremely well put, Fritz, and I wished I had explained this as succinctly as you just did! When ~95% of our budget is used to print the TC, it's a little hard to sponsor other worthwhile projects and activities. Going electronic will allow us to do this. If you had been at the meeting, you would have realized that the TSA was ~$2200 in the red last year. $2200! A good, but extremely worthwhile, portion of this was $1K for the ICS and $1K for refurbishing on the Honey Creek entrance shaft. As I stated, the above are extremely vital and important expenditures. Imagine all of the good we could do if the bulk of the TSA income wasn't used in mailing a newsletter! Are we here to cave or produce a newsletter? I'd like to think both. This was our main objective and I apologize for not explaining it more clearly. How can you help as a concerned member of the caving community? Join the TSA and go electronic!!! (An exasperated) Mark Alman -Original Message- From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:23 PM To: Gill Ediger; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TEXAS CAVER hard copies I have been reading all of the controversy and also have an opinion. I have enjoyed receiving The Caver and its color pictures. However, I have access to a color copier at my office where I receive the posts and can print any issues that I would choose to save. I would believe that all members of the caving fraternity have a computer, and therefore, I am in favor of making receipt of The Caver electronically mandatory. This would allow the many dollars spent (wasted) on printing costs and postage to go towards the true objectives of the organization which is education, conservation and fun times for cavers and even us spelunkers. Fritz -Original Message- From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:37 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] TEXAS CAVER hard copies At 08:22 AM 1/16/2009, Lyndon Tiu wrote: have both hard paper and electronic copies. People can print their own damned hard copies! That is not a difficult thing to understand. Who's not paying attention? I say again: People can print their own damned hard copies! Blatantly simple. That is the beauty of getting an on-line version. You get either or both and at absolutely NO (read ZERO here) cost to the TSA. Then, do what thou wilt with them. Archive away--paper, digital, clay tablet, whatever you want. That is as bottom line as you can get. And as cheap and as simple. And just one field in the database. And no need for further discussion or confusion. It covers ALL the bases I've seen presented so far. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] TEXAS CAVER hard copies
Dang, Gill! We need your energy, logic, common sense, and enthusiasm. Heck, I'll even sponsor your membership in the TSA! Whaddya say? Mark -Original Message- From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:37 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] TEXAS CAVER hard copies At 08:22 AM 1/16/2009, Lyndon Tiu wrote: have both hard paper and electronic copies. People can print their own damned hard copies! That is not a difficult thing to understand. Who's not paying attention? I say again: People can print their own damned hard copies! Blatantly simple. That is the beauty of getting an on-line version. You get either or both and at absolutely NO (read ZERO here) cost to the TSA. Then, do what thou wilt with them. Archive away--paper, digital, clay tablet, whatever you want. That is as bottom line as you can get. And as cheap and as simple. And just one field in the database. And no need for further discussion or confusion. It covers ALL the bases I've seen presented so far. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
