RE: [Texascavers] TSA this and that
As a national director of a large, 100 year old (as of Feb. 8, 2010) non-profit corporation, I can tell you that you budget to end the year in the black, which means bringing in more money than you spend. We raise dues every few years, and that is because costs increase. When I started my career 30 years ago membership dues were $2.00 per year. Now they're $12. We don't call it profit at the end of the year, we call it surplus, which is then shown in the accounting as cash reserves. Bill Steele Fritz Holt wrote: > I have been admonished in the past for daring to suggest a TSA dues increase > and was reminded that we are a not for profit organization. I'm not sure that > I know the definition but it would seem that there would have to be a profit > or sizable donations in order to purchase real estate for whatever cause. > But, I'm not looking for a lesson in the law. With the questions concerning a > possible reduction in TSA dues you would think that many cavers didn't know > where the money was coming from for their next caving light. Since it is > impossible to calculate to the dollar what expenses will be, there is nothing > wrong with having a small surplus at the end of the year. At $20.00, any > surplus would be small. > > Fritz > > > From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:34 PM > To: Karen Perry; texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA this and that > > > This should be easy enough, Karen, but there is one issue: > > > We would have to agree on exactly how many pages each issue should/will be in > order to facilitate costs. > > > This is my fault, because each issues varies in page count, depending on how > much material I receive. > > > The 1st quarter TC was 24 pages. > > The 2nd quarter TC was 32 pages. > > The 3 quarter Mega ICS issue was 64 (!) pages. (definitely not typical). > > This past issue was 28 pages. > > > If the damn editor could make up his mind (and reliably get submissions) it > would be easier to calculate. > > > What size fits y'all? > > Also, there's only four issues a year, not 12. > > > Mark > > > > > > From: Karen Perry [mailto:txcavem...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 2:03 PM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA this and that > Excellent Q! Since the majority of the dues collected, at least in the past, > were intended to cover publication/postage cost...Maybe we need to look > at the cost of producing an average Caver, figure in the mailing cost, > multiple by 12, then figure the difference in dues and come up with a > workable formula to make as many as possible, as happy as possible. I would, > for one, like to know what the cost of the Caver, per issue really is. Let's > do the math before we all are insulting each other more. (Right Gil? ...the > USA comment) > > If the TSA wishes to give $$$ away to noble causes, then they can do fund > raisers for specific donations, just like grottos & the NSS. > Karen > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] TSA this and that
I have been admonished in the past for daring to suggest a TSA dues increase and was reminded that we are a not for profit organization. I'm not sure that I know the definition but it would seem that there would have to be a profit or sizable donations in order to purchase real estate for whatever cause. But, I'm not looking for a lesson in the law. With the questions concerning a possible reduction in TSA dues you would think that many cavers didn't know where the money was coming from for their next caving light. Since it is impossible to calculate to the dollar what expenses will be, there is nothing wrong with having a small surplus at the end of the year. At $20.00, any surplus would be small. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:34 PM To: Karen Perry; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA this and that This should be easy enough, Karen, but there is one issue: We would have to agree on exactly how many pages each issue should/will be in order to facilitate costs. This is my fault, because each issues varies in page count, depending on how much material I receive. The 1st quarter TC was 24 pages. The 2nd quarter TC was 32 pages. The 3 quarter Mega ICS issue was 64 (!) pages. (definitely not typical). This past issue was 28 pages. If the damn editor could make up his mind (and reliably get submissions) it would be easier to calculate. What size fits y'all? Also, there's only four issues a year, not 12. Mark From: Karen Perry [mailto:txcavem...@yahoo.com] Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 2:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA this and that Excellent Q! Since the majority of the dues collected, at least in the past, were intended to cover publication/postage cost...Maybe we need to look at the cost of producing an average Caver, figure in the mailing cost, multiple by 12, then figure the difference in dues and come up with a workable formula to make as many as possible, as happy as possible. I would, for one, like to know what the cost of the Caver, per issue really is. Let's do the math before we all are insulting each other more. (Right Gil? ...the USA comment) If the TSA wishes to give $$$ away to noble causes, then they can do fund raisers for specific donations, just like grottos & the NSS. Karen
RE: [Texascavers] TSA this and that
This should be easy enough, Karen, but there is one issue: We would have to agree on exactly how many pages each issue should/will be in order to facilitate costs. This is my fault, because each issues varies in page count, depending on how much material I receive. The 1st quarter TC was 24 pages. The 2nd quarter TC was 32 pages. The 3 quarter Mega ICS issue was 64 (!) pages. (definitely not typical). This past issue was 28 pages. If the damn editor could make up his mind (and reliably get submissions) it would be easier to calculate. What size fits y'all? Also, there's only four issues a year, not 12. Mark From: Karen Perry [mailto:txcavem...@yahoo.com] Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 2:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA this and that Excellent Q! Since the majority of the dues collected, at least in the past, were intended to cover publication/postage cost...Maybe we need to look at the cost of producing an average Caver, figure in the mailing cost, multiple by 12, then figure the difference in dues and come up with a workable formula to make as many as possible, as happy as possible. I would, for one, like to know what the cost of the Caver, per issue really is. Let's do the math before we all are insulting each other more. (Right Gil? ...the USA comment) If the TSA wishes to give $$$ away to noble causes, then they can do fund raisers for specific donations, just like grottos & the NSS. Karen
Re: [Texascavers] TSA this and that
Excellent Q! Since the majority of the dues collected, at least in the past, were intended to cover publication/postage cost...Maybe we need to look at the cost of producing an average Caver, figure in the mailing cost, multiple by 12, then figure the difference in dues and come up with a workable formula to make as many as possible, as happy as possible. I would, for one, like to know what the cost of the Caver, per issue really is. Let's do the math before we all are insulting each other more. (Right Gil? ...the USA comment) If the TSA wishes to give $$$ away to noble causes, then they can do fund raisers for specific donations, just like grottos & the NSS. Karen --- On Mon, 12/14/09, ke...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: ke...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA this and that To: "Mixon Bill" , "Cavers Texas" List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 1:19 PM "But the question should be how large a discount you get if you don't want a paper copy, not how much more you pay for one.--Mixon" Well put and amen! --Original Message-- From: Mixon Bill To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] TSA this and that Sent: Dec 14, 2009 12:51 PM Some people just need a better e-mail service. My e-mail addresses are all over the place, and I get about two spam messages a week. If you insist on running your own server, you could still use some other place for your e-mail address that has a decent spam filter. And I wouldn't worry about your e-mail address being on the TSA web site, password-protected or not. At least one of your friends probably has something infecting his computer that has sent off his address book to someplace in Russia or Nigeria anyway. Fine with me if the TSA wants to have different dues depending on how one receives the Texas Caver. But the question should be how large a discount you get if you don't want a paper copy, not how much more you pay for one.--Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Re: [Texascavers] TSA this and that
"But the question should be how large a discount you get if you don't want a paper copy, not how much more you pay for one.--Mixon" Well put and amen! --Original Message-- From: Mixon Bill To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] TSA this and that Sent: Dec 14, 2009 12:51 PM Some people just need a better e-mail service. My e-mail addresses are all over the place, and I get about two spam messages a week. If you insist on running your own server, you could still use some other place for your e-mail address that has a decent spam filter. And I wouldn't worry about your e-mail address being on the TSA web site, password-protected or not. At least one of your friends probably has something infecting his computer that has sent off his address book to someplace in Russia or Nigeria anyway. Fine with me if the TSA wants to have different dues depending on how one receives the Texas Caver. But the question should be how large a discount you get if you don't want a paper copy, not how much more you pay for one.--Mixon May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
