Re: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2
Isn't that why they make space blankets, synthetic thermal underwear and high energy food? I carry a personal space blanket ($3.95 at REI), extra synthetic thermal underwear and extra food with me in cold caves. You can never tell when you might need the warmth, whether it be due to injury or waiting on a drop to be rigged or even a slow sketcher in a survey team. Forty-eight degrees doesn't have to be miserable, if you're properly prepared for it. Dress properly and carry the right equipment, and it can be great fun. Diana On Apr 26, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Gill Ediger wrote: One very serious downside of being lost in there is that the cave is a miserable 48ºF and it's hard to carry enough clothes to stay warm if forced into inactivity--such as being lost or if someone gets hurt. There should be laws passed against allowing caves to get that cold. It's just not safe or smart--or fun. We had sleeping bags stashed near the back of the cave both for spending the night and for any emergency which might arise. It's a long way back there. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2
If one only caves with attractive people then shared bodily warmth is great fun too :-) Stefan Isn't that why they make space blankets, synthetic thermal underwear and high energy food? I carry a personal space blanket ($3.95 at REI), extra synthetic thermal underwear and extra food with me in cold caves. You can never tell when you might need the warmth, whether it be due to injury or waiting on a drop to be rigged or even a slow sketcher in a survey team. Forty-eight degrees doesn't have to be miserable, if you're properly prepared for it. Dress properly and carry the right equipment, and it can be great fun. Diana On Apr 26, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Gill Ediger wrote: One very serious downside of being lost in there is that the cave is a miserable 48ºF and it's hard to carry enough clothes to stay warm if forced into inactivity--such as being lost or if someone gets hurt. There should be laws passed against allowing caves to get that cold. It's just not safe or smart--or fun. We had sleeping bags stashed near the back of the cave both for spending the night and for any emergency which might arise. It's a long way back there. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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You forgot to add of the opposite sex after atractive people.. otherwise is not great fun, or at least not for me. What do y'all think? Nico On 4/26/07, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: If one only caves with attractive people then shared bodily warmth is great fun too :-) Stefan Isn't that why they make space blankets, synthetic thermal underwear and high energy food? I carry a personal space blanket ($3.95 at REI), extra synthetic thermal underwear and extra food with me in cold caves. You can never tell when you might need the warmth, whether it be due to injury or waiting on a drop to be rigged or even a slow sketcher in a survey team. Forty-eight degrees doesn't have to be miserable, if you're properly prepared for it. Dress properly and carry the right equipment, and it can be great fun. Diana On Apr 26, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Gill Ediger wrote: One very serious downside of being lost in there is that the cave is a miserable 48ºF and it's hard to carry enough clothes to stay warm if forced into inactivity--such as being lost or if someone gets hurt. There should be laws passed against allowing caves to get that cold. It's just not safe or smart--or fun. We had sleeping bags stashed near the back of the cave both for spending the night and for any emergency which might arise. It's a long way back there. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:32:23 -0500From: pitbouncer@gmail.comTo: Stefan.Creaser@arm.comCC: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; gi...@worldnet.att.net; texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2You forgot to add of the opposite sex after atractive people.. otherwise is not great fun, or at least not for me. What do y'all think?Nicowell... there may be some ones... ;) _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx
RE: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2
Dear Mr. Ediger, I am so grateful you acknowledged Christian prayer on this list-serve. Thank you, my friend. By doing so, you have opened (or dare I say, opined) an opportunity for others to reply to your pathetic statement below. I serve an awesome God who created all we enjoy above or below ground and I pray to thank Him for it a lot. Had I known about this rescue situation in WV, I would have been praying for their safety and rescue. Instead, now I'm praying for you. You may be feeling a bit defensive by now and that is not at all my intent. My God created all of us. He also gave us free will to choose not to believe. Your apparent choice saddens me, but still, it is your choice and I respect it. I am convinced you prefer I give you the textual freedom to believe (or not believe) whatever you want about God and prayer. Done! Even if these folks did everything wrong - or - everything right, I'm sure you're glad they are now safe and uninjured. In the midst of all your pointed text below, you surely were distracted into not mentioning how relieved you are that they are ok. I have read your entertaining posts on cavetex for years and really enjoyed most of what you write. Your writings are often insightful and educational. I typically read them with anticipation of being rewarded by your wit. To those ends, I welcome your response. Persecution that brings attention to the name of God is always a good thing. I thank God in advance for it. Thanks again for bringing up prayer, their Christian prayers to the only God! God's humble servant and your servant too, Dennis Welch The Caving Christian mailto:jesusservan...@yahoo.com Lubbock, TX NSS#53060 -Original Message- From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:51 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2 At 08:57 AM 4/26/2007, addi...@caveresource.com wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/25/cave.rescue.ap/index.html The first report I heard of it was sent to me by Roger Moore: http://www.eveningsun.com/localnews/ci_5747278Click here: Evening Sun - Faith, rescuers the salvation of spelunkers As Jim pointed out, the cave is in WV, not PA. Still, the emphasis on praying in the article makes for some funny if otherwise pathetic reading. I have spent multiple overnight trips in Simmons-Mingo Cave--one that approached 72 hours and can vouch for the fact that it can be confusing. It's joint controlled and several (like 5 or 6) miles long in essentially a straight line to a connection with a cave named Oil Drum Falls which was made since I was active there and was the object of our efforts back in the '70s. The entrance is in the back of a medium-sized shelter cave and immediately drops into a confusing maze of large jumbled up breakdown slabs--not boulders, slabs--and minor up-and-down elevation changes. Once clear of any breakdown, the passages are all walking and essentially bee-line straight though developed on several levels 20 or 30 feet above or below each other and which require some-not-so-straight-forward tricky routes to change from one level to another every thousand feet or so. It's a damned fun cave with lots of scrambling and interesting and tricky moves to remember on the way out. It's a great, fun cave for novices, but they really, really do need a good leader who knows the cave well before venturing thither. There are many places where you must know a critical and not-so-obvious place to climb up or down to another level or you'll keep walking right on past it. At one point you have to drop down through a hole in the bottom of the correct one of 3 or so slime-mud covered funnels in the floor of a continuing passage in the upper level and blindly feel with your foot for a toe hold--then know where the hidden and critical hand hold is--before letting yourself down onto a minor ledge at the top of a 60 or so foot fissure--all pretty much without being able to see what you're doing until on the ledge. One very serious downside of being lost in there is that the cave is a miserable 48ºF and it's hard to carry enough clothes to stay warm if forced into inactivity--such as being lost or if someone gets hurt. There should be laws passed against allowing caves to get that cold. It's just not safe or smart--or fun. We had sleeping bags stashed near the back of the cave both for spending the night and for any emergency which might arise. It's a long way back there. Simmons-Mingo would be a great cave if it could be transplanted to, say, Travis County. Texas caving and people's experience would be improved immensely. I think the article said that they had a map but had left it in the car. But the cave is multi-level and many miles long and as Jim pointed out, the map is probably much reduced and difficult of detail. By way of critique, I'd say that the fault lay not in having or not having a quality
Re: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2
Stefan brought up a pretty interesting subject on his reply to me.. and now I have a question if you're homosexual or whatever you wanna call it, would you be offended if a straight person says they like people of the opposite sex? if so, why? On 4/26/07, Antonio Aguirre Alvarez nelfas...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:32:23 -0500 From: pitboun...@gmail.com To: stefan.crea...@arm.com CC: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; gi...@worldnet.att.net; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2 You forgot to add of the opposite sex after atractive people.. otherwise is not great fun, or at least not for me. What do y'all think? Nico *well... there may be some ones... ;)* -- Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx+
