RE: [Texascavers] Officer's powers
Actually, Butch, I have received quite a few requests and have sent them a PDF file of the newsletter for them to peruse. It saves the TSA stamps and printing costs and has resulted in some new members, one being my son. I haven't kept statistics as to its effectiveness, but, heck, it's cheap and it has worked! Mark From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@maverickgrotto.org] Sent: Tue 12/15/2009 10:50 PM To: 'Charles Goldsmith'; 'Gill Edigar' Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Officer's powers On the home page: http://cavetexas.org/index.html of the TSA website there's a note to prospective members who might like a copy to e-mail the editor for such. I don't know if anyone has ever done this (asked for a copy) but it's available from that note. Butch Fralia -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:49 PM To: Gill Edigar Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers
Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger
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You missed the caver Christmas party. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:48:43 To: Gill Edigargi...@att.net Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers
Tool On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers
Putz! On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Tool On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Yeah, had some stuff come up that evening, but liked your video about the Jan presentation :) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:10 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote: You missed the caver Christmas party.
Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers
It was a light turnout. Bill --Original Message-- From: Charles Goldsmith To: Bill Steele RR Sent: Dec 15, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers Yeah, had some stuff come up that evening, but liked your video about the Jan presentation :) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:10 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote: You missed the caver Christmas party. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers
Tell me about it! Cavers are so funny. I love it when everyone gets so excited about going caving. That was not nice of me to call you a tool. I apologize. You are just fine and I appreciate the help. On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Putz! On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Tool On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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No worries, i took it as good natured ribbing, i assumed thats how you meant it. :) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:50 PM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me about it! Cavers are so funny. I love it when everyone gets so excited about going caving. That was not nice of me to call you a tool. I apologize. You are just fine and I appreciate the help. On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Putz! On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Tool On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Thanks, --Ediger On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: Well Said Gill
RE: [Texascavers] Officer's powers
On the home page: http://cavetexas.org/index.html of the TSA website there's a note to prospective members who might like a copy to e-mail the editor for such. I don't know if anyone has ever done this (asked for a copy) but it's available from that note. Butch Fralia -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:49 PM To: Gill Edigar Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Yeah. It's been our practice--from the '70s at least to mail one to any caver who moves to Texas. We used to get a monthly mailing from the NSS with all the address changes. For a while we sent some surplus copies to Grottos to hand out to newbies. It definitely got some new members. --Ediger On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Butch Fralia bfra...@maverickgrotto.orgwrote: On the home page: http://cavetexas.org/index.html of the TSA website there's a note to prospective members who might like a copy to e-mail the editor for such. I don't know if anyone has ever done this (asked for a copy) but it's available from that note. Butch Fralia -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:49 PM To: Gill Edigar Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Officer's powers Well Said Gill Charles On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: An observation-- Officers are elected to run the day-to-day operations of companies, organizations, governments, and other such groups of people in lieu of having a council or committee mico-managing the trivial details. They are expected to make certain decisions on behalf of the organization without consulting the entire membership or executive council or board of governors. For instance, they would be expected to go buy a roll of tape or box of staples if they were needed for the conduct of business. Likewise, if a special mailing were required for a safety alert or an election they could conceivably be expected to spend $100 on postage stamps to see the mailing got to the members--without asking anybody. That is their job. Along that same train of thought, I would suggest that if the Chairman and newsletter editor decided to send out free digital copies as advertising to prospective new members of the various college clubs they would have it completely within their powers to do so--and be praised for their aggressiveness--and need to ask no one's permission. Indeed, there is a long and respected history of the TSA doing just that. No board action would be necessary--or even expected, for that matter. Especially if no expenditures were required. Now then, I'm not a TSA member so I would never presume to tell the TSA how to conduct its business. I'm merely speaking as an independent Texas caver bystander and interested observer. So, I have been both TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor on more than one occasion over the years. I would presume that most Texas cavers would suspect that I have a bit of experience with officer power and responsibilities and how they can get things constitutionally accomplished. Believe me, creativity can be a valuable tool in the running of a volunteer organization. Both Davy Crockett and Sam Houston used to proclaim, Be sure you're right and then go ahead. No officer will ever be chastised by the membership for handing out free advertising supporting the aims and goals of the organization and encouraging membership. It is the right thing to do. And no other current advertising brochure will fulfill that function better than a free digital copy of The TEXAS CAVER sent (or made available) to all non-TSA-member NSS cavers in Texas. So now, they can go ahead. No board action is required. It is an officer responsibility. I'm looking forward to seeing old Sam and Davy crack a smile over this one. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
