Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

2017-07-25 Thread Jerry via Texascavers 
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While I personally agree with Dr. Tuttle's message regarding the effectiveness 
of current WNS decon protocols on reducing the spread rate of Pd and WNS in the 
US, I believe that it is somewhat irrelevant to the issue of whether we, as 
cavers should comply to mandated decon regulations. Cavers tend to chafe at 
being told to do things that they don't agree with, no matter how trivial or 
easy it is to comply with. Nonetheless, the NSS, as an organization that 
attempts to embody national recognition and respect amongst the different 
federal and state regulatory agencies that manage public lands, should maintain 
a hard line on caver and member compliance. -- Not start an online discussion 
about the relevancy of the protocols in the guise of educating the membership. 

It is disappointing that after the Ely debacle in 2016, and increased concern 
on the part of the federal agencies to address the WNS issue, that the 
leadership of the NSS continues to nibble at the edges of dissent, instead of 
guiding the NSS through a time of trouble. 

Jerry Atkinson
Chairman - SWR of the National Speleological Society.
 

 

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It is easier to blame the cavers than accept that we are not able to control a 
natural process.


The decon mandate makes it look like we are doing something and gives some 
folks the warm fuzzies.


Cleaning gear should be a normal process, kinda nice not dealing with the end 
result of wet muddy gear that was stuffed in a plastic bag and left there for a 
few weeks.

 

Carol




  
 
 
  
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Folks,
 
  
 
While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.
 
  
 
Any thought out there in caver land.
 
  
 
Geary Schindel
 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
 
  
 
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And make sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very 
bad there! 
 
  
 

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the

Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

2017-07-25 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers 
--- Begin Message ---
It is easier to blame the cavers than accept that we are not able to control a 
natural process.
The decon mandate makes it look like we are doing something and gives some 
folks the warm fuzzies.
Cleaning gear should be a normal process, kinda nice not dealing with the end 
result of wet muddy gear that was stuffed in a plastic bag and left there for a 
few weeks. Carol

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 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri
   
 Folks,    
While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.    Any thought out 
there in caver land.    Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org    From: 
Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]On Behalf Of Galen 
Falgout via Texascavers
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri    And make 
sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very bad 
there!     On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: 
Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

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> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

2017-07-25 Thread Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
Folks,

While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.

Any thought out there in caver land.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org<mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

And make sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very 
bad there!

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

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> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

2017-07-25 Thread Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
Pete,

That is a good point, if you're not an NSS Member, joining gives you 
credibility as a serious caver when you're contacting cavers in other regions. 
In addition, the members manual and the NSS web page at www.caves.org are great 
resources for finding cavers in other areas.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org 

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   I don't knowif you are an NSS member or can find your members manual, but 
mine shows "Springfield Plateau Grotto, www.spgcavers.org ,Jonathan Beard , 
mokan...@att.net ,417 887 7231Pete Strickland
 jaycc Jordan via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: 
> Hello cavers,
> 
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> 
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> 
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave 
> while I am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. 
> So, if anyone has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go 
> caving with me please let me know.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> - Jordan

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

2017-07-25 Thread pstrickland1--- via Texascavers 
   I don't knowif you are an NSS member or can find your members manual, but 
mine shows "Springfield Plateau Grotto, www.spgcavers.org ,Jonathan Beard , 
mokan...@att.net ,417 887 7231Pete Strickland
 jaycc Jordan via Texascavers  wrote: 
> Hello cavers,
> 
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> 
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> 
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me
> please let me know.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> - Jordan

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

2017-07-25 Thread Galen Falgout via Texascavers 
And make sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS
very bad there!

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS
> Members Manual.
>
> Jim
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello cavers,
> >
> > I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> >
> > I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> >
> > I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave
> while I am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if
> anyone has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with
> me please let me know.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

2017-07-25 Thread Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual. 

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello cavers,
> 
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> 
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> 
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> - Jordan 
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