texascavers Digest 16 Apr 2010 03:40:18 -0000 Issue 1030
Topics (messages 14475 through 14484):
Re: caving event question and TABC
14475 by: Joe Ranzau
Re: Mexican Cell Phones
14476 by: Mark Minton
14477 by: Fofo
NSS Convention 2010
14478 by: Charles Goldsmith
NCRC next month
14479 by: Heather Tucek
International Exploration at the 2010 NSS Convention
14480 by: Mark Minton
Pictures from February San Antonio/Austin caver trip to Bustamante
14481 by: Dale Barnard
D&P Deconstruction Cancelled
14482 by: A. Wertheim
14483 by: Don Arburn
Re: CAVE DAY Saturday April 17, 2010-Cedar Park, TX-Helpers needed
14484 by: ellie :)
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I delved into the TABC thing extensively for ICS. Just don't charge for it
donations fine but not required and the technicality is that if someone
walks off the street into the party they are eligible for the door prizes or
a drink free. Can't discriminate. The good news is that won't happen but
you should be safe.
Joe
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>wrote:
> David,
>
> Things seem to be shaping up nicely. You are obviously spending some time
> and money to make this first ever event a success. Your efforts should be
> rewarded with a nice turnout by friends, cavers and their families.
> Presuming the weather is nice, we should all make an effort to attend.
> If a larger number than David is anticipating show up, there will be
> adequate food if a backup of hot dogs is satisfactory. It isn't the food,
> it's the camaraderie and the outing.
>
> If the winery will not be serving, selling or having a wine tasting, I'm
> not sure why they will be setting up a booth.
>
> The property owner/manager's conditions for allowing participants to
> B.Y.O.B. seem confusing and unenforceable but what the heck, we can.
>
> Geezer and girls plan to attend.
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:04 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] caving event question and TABC
>
> When cavers get together for small events in Texas,
> what is the protocol for deciding whether to apply for a temporary
> TABC permit? Such as the one at the wine tasting at ICS
> ( that was TCMA, right ? )
>
> The cookout that I am hosting is about 4 miles from a winery,
> and they have volunteered to set up a small display booth, and I was
> considering buying about 6 bottles and giving them away as
> door prizes.
>
> But they will not be selling or serving the wine.
>
> The owner is o.k. with that idea.
>
> Do I need to pay for a TABC temporary permit? The problem
> is I will most likely have a donation bucket somewhere in the
> vicinity, and that is where the law gets crossed.
>
> On a related note,
>
> he also indicated he is o.k.
> with people having their own alcohol as long as it is not being
> served at the event, and as long as minors and kids are
> kept away from it.
>
> Here is the wine list:
>
> http://www.pleasanthillwinery.com/wine_list.htm
>
>
> I am waiting on an e-mail from the winery to see if they
> have a better idea.
>
>
> Please send the comments to me privately, in order not to
> bother the other subscribers.
>
>
> David Locklear
> caver in Fort Bend County
>
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According to the article cited, to register a Mexican cell
phone you need a person's CURP, a supposedly unique ID number. One
might think those numbers would be kept private, sort of like social
security numbers in the U.S. (admittedly not all that secret). I
would have thought it would be difficult to register in someone
else's name, but the article said many people were using Felipe
Calderon, so I guess the numbers must be readily available.
Mark Minton
At 05:05 PM 4/13/2010, Rod Goke wrote:
This raises at least two questions affecting people who travel to
Mexico from outside that country:
1. What about travelers from outside Mexico who want to take their
existing cell phones with them into Mexico? Will this be legal? Will
they be required to register their phones when they enter Mexico?
Will these cell phones work there at all?
2. Will this new cell phone registration policy lead to an increase
in robberies and thefts of cell phones by criminals who want phones
registered in someone else's name? Similarly, will it lead to an
increase in identity theft, where a criminal uses either your stolen
phone or a new phone registered with your stolen identity, causing
you to be arrested instead of the criminal when the phone is used in
illegal activity?
Rod
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>From: Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>
>Sent: Apr 13, 2010 3:12 PM
>To: Cavetex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Travel Warning for Mexico from US
State Dept. - A Public Service Message from the TSA
>
>While not directly related to this, it is indirectly, for those of you
>who happen to have a phone from Mexico or friends that live there:
>http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/11/1930249/Mexico-Will-Shut-Dow
n-259-Million-Cell-Phones
>
>The URL is misleading, its 25.9 million, but still a lot of phones.
>
>Charles
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Hi, Mark.
Thing is, there is another way of registering a cell phone without a CURP
(Clave Unica de Registro Poblacional), using some basic information that is not
readily available, but not too hard to find (birth date, place of birth, etc).
- Fofo
On Apr 13, 2010 19:09, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
According to the article cited, to register a Mexican cell
phone you need a person's CURP, a supposedly unique ID number. One
might think those numbers would be kept private, sort of like social
security numbers in the U.S. (admittedly not all that secret). I
would have thought it would be difficult to register in someone
else's name, but the article said many people were using Felipe
Calderon, so I guess the numbers must be readily available.
Mark Minton
At 05:05 PM 4/13/2010, Rod Goke wrote:
>This raises at least two questions affecting people who travel to
>Mexico from outside that country:
>
>1. What about travelers from outside Mexico who want to take their
>existing cell phones with them into Mexico? Will this be legal? Will
>they be required to register their phones when they enter Mexico?
>Will these cell phones work there at all?
>
>2. Will this new cell phone registration policy lead to an increase
>in robberies and thefts of cell phones by criminals who want phones
>registered in someone else's name? Similarly, will it lead to an
>increase in identity theft, where a criminal uses either your stolen
>phone or a new phone registered with your stolen identity, causing
>you to be arrested instead of the criminal when the phone is used in
>illegal activity?
>
>Rod
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>
> >Sent: Apr 13, 2010 3:12 PM
> >To: Cavetex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Travel Warning for Mexico from US
> State Dept. - A Public Service Message from the TSA
> >
> >While not directly related to this, it is indirectly, for those of you
> >who happen to have a phone from Mexico or friends that live there:
> >http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/11/1930249/Mexico-Will-Shut-Dow
> n-259-Million-Cell-Phones
> >
> >The URL is misleading, its 25.9 million, but still a lot of phones.
> >
> >Charles
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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>From the latest NSS Internal Organization (I/O) report, for your consideration:
2010 NSS Convention in Vermont: the Coolest Convention you will
ever attend!
Believe it or not, four short years ago we started planning for the
Vermont convention and here it is only four months away! The pace of
progress has accelerated recently, so an update on where things stand is
certainly in order. With our intimate knowledge of all the painstaking
efforts and planning put forth by everyone on the Convention Staff, we
personally guarantee a great time and place for old and new friends to
vacation together this summer in Vermont!
Every caver's homecoming week will start off with a bang at the Howdy
Party Monday night. Rick's Catering will be preparing a sumptuous
Maple-themed feast featuring Vermont Maple ham, grilled chicken breasts
and veggie dishes galore, with plenty of food for all tastes. Banjo Dan
and the Midnight Plow Boys will be our special musical guests, fiddling
for your dining entertainment. Those who know Banjo Dan know that it
will surely be a great show. For those who don't, fair warning that your
feet will be moving and your hips will be grooving before you notice!
Nice weather is in the forecast: The Howdy Party will be hosted out of
doors in the crystal clear Vermont air (unless it snows!).
And don't forget the awesome all-in-one convention site, The Champlain
Valley Expo. With all this room, everyone's favorite Convention activity
will have more than enough space to breathe! The vendors will be getting
an entire building to themselves but with the added bonus of sessions
happening in the same venue funneling traffic past their booths. In
addition, all of the vertical workshops and competitions are located in
the very next building with plenty of room for everyone to spread out
their gear and play. The Art Salon will be housed inside a wonderful
rustic building with rough-hewn lumber on the walls, for a warm inviting
look that will lend a calm relaxing atmosphere for viewing the stunning
speleo-artworks. The Awards Photo Salon will also be on site in a large
building that will allow everyone to take pleasure in the
always-entertaining dual-projector slide presentation. The campground on
site is huge and tent camping is free, with plenty of room for everyone
to enjoy their encampment, with showers and bathrooms right there, and
plenty more in the EXPO center.
The only official Convention event that will be off-site is the Tuesday
"Night on the Town," where we encourage everyone to take in the best
downtown Burlington has to offer in the way of shopping, dining and
microbreweries. A special evening talk on White Nose Syndrome will be at
the Echo Center, an experiential science museum and aquarium, located on
the edge of Lake Champlain and focusing its geological formation and
history. The White Nose talk promises to be a singularly informative
forum featuring Vermont's bat biologist, Scott Darling, who will be on
hand to discuss the latest scientific findings and what the future may
hold. So spend sunset at the waterfront and find out what's new with WNS
as all cavers are called upon to lend a hand in their furry friends'
time of need.
At the Awards Banquet on Friday night Rick's Catering will be doing his
award-winning BBQ flank steak, grilled chicken breasts and of course
veggie offerings. Again this will be on site in one of the large
air-conditioned buildings. Nice Bob Addis will be the Master of
Ceremonies for the evening. For those who haven't seen Bob perform, he
has a certain flare for entertaining a large audience. We guarantee Bob
will keep the proceedings lively!
In addition to the traditional NSS Convention activities, Vermont is one
big gorgeous natural playground for anyone who loves the outdoors. One
of the planned trips is a tour of some of Vermont's most beautiful
waterfalls. Almost all of them have superb swimming holes, so be
prepared for a refreshing dip should you choose so. Hikers should note
that Vermont's highest peak, Mt. Mansfield, is only 30 minutes away. And
if you are going out that direction you should check out Smugglers Notch
and play in the huge rock houses. These can be very challenging and a
great workout. Make sure to take a helmet and light as darkness beckons
in their nooks and crannies! Of course there are also multiple
opportunities for rock climbing, kayaking and anything else outside you
can think of. Check out the Convention website for a full list of
planned trips and other adventures you can have on your own.
I know a big question on everyone's mind is what's the deal with caving?
Well we are offering limited guided caving trips. The trips that are
planned are to non-hibernacula caves, including some vertical caves. Now
the next question is what about gear and contamination? First off we are
putting together a gear loaning program. Cavers from our region are
lending gear to be borrowed for trips, so that folks' personal gear will
not need to be used outside of their home regions. The Convention
website will soon feature a page explaining the gear loaning program in
more detail. And yes it's free. As for decontamination, the United
States Fish & Wildlife Service has volunteered to sponsor a
decontamination station during Convention, in order to help cavers be
responsible wildlife stewards.
We could go on for pages about the Vermont convention, about the
Shelburne Museum where you get a discount, Ben and Jerry's Factory tour,
Barre - the Granite Capital of the World, and all the geology to
explore, the wonderful restaurants a 10-minute stroll from the Expo and
the almost infinite variety of things to see and do, but we will spare
you that. Please visit the Convention website for more info and to
register at http://www.nss2010.com . Oh I almost forgot, VOLUNTEERS!! If
you want to help for the week or a day or even an hour, any and all help
is appreciated. Please contact our volunteer coordinator, Kathy Pingree,
through the contacts page on the website. Hope to see you all in Vermont
this August 2-6, for A Cool Convention!
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Anybody planning on going to the NCRC training in Alabama May 15-22, and
need/want a rider? Contact me offlist!
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Go find out!
-Heather Tuček
UT Grotto
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
trog...@cavechat.org
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Hello cavers!
Have you been caving outside the US? How about giving a
presentation on it at this year's NSS Convention? Yvonne Droms and I
(Mark Minton) are co-chairing the International Exploration session
and we are looking for speakers. Any talk about cave exploration
anywhere in the world outside the US is welcome! (For exploration
within the U. S. there is separate day-long session).
The exact date for the International Exploration Session has
not been determined yet, but it will be either the Tuesday or
Wednesday of Convention week (Aug 3 or 4). Talks will be 20 - 30
minutes long depending upon how many presenters there are, and the
session runs from 9 AM to 5 PM. You will need to send us an abstract
of your talk by mid-May (only one month away!) so that it can be
included in the Convention Program. See also this link for more
information on presentations and abstracts:
<http://www.nss2010.com/sessions.php>
Please pass this request along to any caver you know who's
been on an international expedition. Our contacts are:
Mark Minton: mmin...@caver.net or mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
Yvonne Droms: ydr...@rosettastone.com
Thanks, and we hope to see you at the Convention in Vermont!
Mark Minton and Yvonne Droms
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In February, 2010, San Antonio and Austin cavers went off-trail in Grutas de
Bustamante in Nuevo Leon, Mexico. You can see the full-sized photos that I took
here:
I managed to light up most of Breakdown Mountain with a single flash, though it
is grainy from the high ISO and Photoshop leveling work. You can also see the
new developed walkways inside the cave, and the bright commercial lighting.
http://picasaweb.google.com/barnarddale/20100212Bustamante?feat=directlink
Dale
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The weather forecast is calling for more showers thru the weekend, and wet
steel is just plain dangerous for me and anyone standing under me when I fall,
so I'm calling off the porch deconstruction portion of the D&P weekend at this
time. We will be rescheduling in the next few weeks.
Don should be posting a notice about whether he intends to keep the other
projects and caving open for this weekend. To those who've volunteered to help
me with the project I thank you for your support and please check back for
updates.
Arron
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The entire weekend is called off due to weather conditions. The roads
will turn into a bog and piss off the neighbors. I'll announce a
rescheduled weekend when we have one.
Don's iPhone.
On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:58 PM, "A. Wertheim" <werthei...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The weather forecast is calling for more showers thru the weekend,
and wet steel is just plain dangerous for me and anyone standing
under me when I fall, so I'm calling off the porch deconstruction
portion of the D&P weekend at this time. We will be rescheduling in
the next few weeks.
Don should be posting a notice about whether he intends to keep the
other projects and caving open for this weekend. To those who've
volunteered to help me with the project I thank you for your support
and please check back for updates.
Arron
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CAVE DAY will be on rain or shine. Last year there was 4 inches of rain and
180 people still showed up. Please help out if you can.
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