texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2009 22:02:26 -0000 Issue 900
Topics (messages 12774 through 12782):
2010 TSA Spring Convention related
12774 by: David
12775 by: Stefan Creaser
12776 by: David
12778 by: Amanda Scott
12779 by: Diana Tomchick
12780 by: jranzau.gmail.com
12781 by: Denise P
12782 by: Preston Forsythe
Re: New TCC Website?
12777 by: Ron Ralph
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Yesterday, I posted a note about a potential
site to hold the 2010 TSA Spring Convention.
I would like to make a motion that this camp be on
the list of tentative sites proposed for a spring convention.
I sent an e-mail to the manager the camp
to see if his e-mail was still good and if he was still in charge.
He immediately replied, and said he would mention
it to the committee that controls this camp.
I bet this place would be inexpensive compared to
other choices that were mentioned.
This place does not have any karst or any of the
scenery of the Texas Hill Country. However, it
is out in the sticks.
Camp Happy Hollow ( CHH ) is more primitive and smaller, than the
John Knox Ranch Camp that the event has been
held at before.
I think there would be no shortage of places to rig a hammock.
I am guessing Camp Happy Hollow would cost at least $ 600
for the 3 day weekend.
The camp committee may say they are not interested. If that
happens, then maybe TSA could offer $ 800 or more, as
I imagine they are too cash-strapped for renovation.
Portable facilities could be erected if necessary, like the big tarp
with the Oztotl logo.
I am NOT trying to side step the procedures. I am only trying to
see what interest is out there for holding the event at CHH. If
the motion fails, I am not going to lose any sleep or get
my feelings hurt.
David Locklear
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The biggest problem David is that it's over near Houston (I
think that's what you said). That's a *long* way from the
center of Texas, why would the people from West Texas want
to drive all the way to East Texas?
Also, you have to consider the cooks (I would say that...) we
don't really want to cook under a tarp, some form of kitchen
would be a lot nicer for the food we usually provide).
Cheers,
Stefan
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:53 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
Yesterday, I posted a note about a potential
site to hold the 2010 TSA Spring Convention.
I would like to make a motion that this camp be on
the list of tentative sites proposed for a spring convention.
I sent an e-mail to the manager the camp
to see if his e-mail was still good and if he was still in charge.
He immediately replied, and said he would mention
it to the committee that controls this camp.
I bet this place would be inexpensive compared to
other choices that were mentioned.
This place does not have any karst or any of the
scenery of the Texas Hill Country. However, it
is out in the sticks.
Camp Happy Hollow ( CHH ) is more primitive and smaller, than the
John Knox Ranch Camp that the event has been
held at before.
I think there would be no shortage of places to rig a hammock.
I am guessing Camp Happy Hollow would cost at least $ 600
for the 3 day weekend.
The camp committee may say they are not interested. If that
happens, then maybe TSA could offer $ 800 or more, as
I imagine they are too cash-strapped for renovation.
Portable facilities could be erected if necessary, like the big tarp
with the Oztotl logo.
I am NOT trying to side step the procedures. I am only trying to
see what interest is out there for holding the event at CHH. If
the motion fails, I am not going to lose any sleep or get
my feelings hurt.
David Locklear
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In response to Stefan's post, the camp is less than one hour due east of
the town of Giddings.
Meaning,
The camp is 4 1/2 hours from Dallas.
Ft. Worth, would be a different route, but still at 4 1/2 hours.
San Antonio would be 3 hours.
LAG cavers would have to drive 10 1/2 hours. Ouch !
PBSS would have a 9 hour road-trip.
El Paso would be the farthest at 11 1/2 hours.
Sea Aggies would only have a 2 hour 15 minute trip.
College Station Aggies would only have 1 hour 15 minute.
Maybe a fund could be set up to help the West Texas cavers pay
for gas, with the money saved from the low rent cost of the
camp. ( that is still a big assumption ).
Again, I would like to emphasize that I am only trying to see if anyone
is interested in considering this camp.
David Locklear
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To my recollection from my youth, Camp Happy Hollow had a kitchen and lodge,
with restrooms. It also is only about 1.5 hours from Austin - not that far
at all. Brenham is a nice place...
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com>wrote:
> The biggest problem David is that it's over near Houston (I
> think that's what you said). That's a *long* way from the
> center of Texas, why would the people from West Texas want
> to drive all the way to East Texas?
>
> Also, you have to consider the cooks (I would say that...) we
> don't really want to cook under a tarp, some form of kitchen
> would be a lot nicer for the food we usually provide).
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
>
> Yesterday, I posted a note about a potential
> site to hold the 2010 TSA Spring Convention.
>
> I would like to make a motion that this camp be on
> the list of tentative sites proposed for a spring convention.
>
> I sent an e-mail to the manager the camp
> to see if his e-mail was still good and if he was still in charge.
> He immediately replied, and said he would mention
> it to the committee that controls this camp.
>
> I bet this place would be inexpensive compared to
> other choices that were mentioned.
>
> This place does not have any karst or any of the
> scenery of the Texas Hill Country. However, it
> is out in the sticks.
>
> Camp Happy Hollow ( CHH ) is more primitive and smaller, than the
> John Knox Ranch Camp that the event has been
> held at before.
>
> I think there would be no shortage of places to rig a hammock.
>
>
>
> I am guessing Camp Happy Hollow would cost at least $ 600
> for the 3 day weekend.
>
> The camp committee may say they are not interested. If that
> happens, then maybe TSA could offer $ 800 or more, as
> I imagine they are too cash-strapped for renovation.
>
> Portable facilities could be erected if necessary, like the big tarp
> with the Oztotl logo.
>
> I am NOT trying to side step the procedures. I am only trying to
> see what interest is out there for holding the event at CHH. If
> the motion fails, I am not going to lose any sleep or get
> my feelings hurt.
>
> David Locklear
>
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Stefan,
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...sometimes the people in West
Texas have to drive a long ways, sometimes the people in Houston have
a long drive.
Those of us in North Texas *always* have a long drive.
If you're really a dedicated caver and enjoy going to the TSA
Convention, you find a way to get there.
Diana
On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
The biggest problem David is that it's over near Houston (I
think that's what you said). That's a *long* way from the
center of Texas, why would the people from West Texas want
to drive all the way to East Texas?
Also, you have to consider the cooks (I would say that...) we
don't really want to cook under a tarp, some form of kitchen
would be a lot nicer for the food we usually provide).
Cheers,
Stefan
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:53 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
Yesterday, I posted a note about a potential
site to hold the 2010 TSA Spring Convention.
I would like to make a motion that this camp be on
the list of tentative sites proposed for a spring convention.
I sent an e-mail to the manager the camp
to see if his e-mail was still good and if he was still in charge.
He immediately replied, and said he would mention
it to the committee that controls this camp.
I bet this place would be inexpensive compared to
other choices that were mentioned.
This place does not have any karst or any of the
scenery of the Texas Hill Country. However, it
is out in the sticks.
Camp Happy Hollow ( CHH ) is more primitive and smaller, than the
John Knox Ranch Camp that the event has been
held at before.
I think there would be no shortage of places to rig a hammock.
I am guessing Camp Happy Hollow would cost at least $ 600
for the 3 day weekend.
The camp committee may say they are not interested. If that
happens, then maybe TSA could offer $ 800 or more, as
I imagine they are too cash-strapped for renovation.
Portable facilities could be erected if necessary, like the big tarp
with the Oztotl logo.
I am NOT trying to side step the procedures. I am only trying to
see what interest is out there for holding the event at CHH. If
the motion fails, I am not going to lose any sleep or get
my feelings hurt.
David Locklear
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Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
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Having helped host far too many of these things my advice for Ellie was
that she needed to do whatever worked best for her. If it meets her budget,
her travel constraints, her whims etc than it is the right place. No matter
what, someone will be unhappy.
By and far the biggest issue for spring convention has been finding an
affordable site that meets all our needs. Colorado Bend typically would
love for us to have functions there but the ceiling in the conference room
is a bit low for presentations and close camping is problematic. CWAN is in
a good location but has no potable water, dry weather only camping and we
would have to work around the tours in the cave. Most of us loath the
thought of going back to Kerrville after the bout of Irritable Caver
Syndrome that hit us this summer. Sonora was fun but it is way the hell out
in, well, Sonora! Cascade Caverns was pretty good but it required a ton of
prep work and you might get shot. Albert cost us a small fortune. Burnett
was fun but the divided camping and talks upset folks. I could go on and on.
We will have convention where ever Ellie finally finds a spot that works!
If you don't like it run for TSA VP.
Joe
On Dec 2, 2009 3:26pm, Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
wrote:
Stefan,
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...sometimes the people in West
Texas have to drive a long ways, sometimes the people in Houston have a
long drive.
Those of us in North Texas *always* have a long drive.
If you're really a dedicated caver and enjoy going to the TSA Convention,
you find a way to get there.
Diana
On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
The biggest problem David is that it's over near Houston (I
think that's what you said). That's a *long* way from the
center of Texas, why would the people from West Texas want
to drive all the way to East Texas?
Also, you have to consider the cooks (I would say that...) we
don't really want to cook under a tarp, some form of kitchen
would be a lot nicer for the food we usually provide).
Cheers,
Stefan
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:53 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
Yesterday, I posted a note about a potential
site to hold the 2010 TSA Spring Convention.
I would like to make a motion that this camp be on
the list of tentative sites proposed for a spring convention.
I sent an e-mail to the manager the camp
to see if his e-mail was still good and if he was still in charge.
He immediately replied, and said he would mention
it to the committee that controls this camp.
I bet this place would be inexpensive compared to
other choices that were mentioned.
This place does not have any karst or any of the
scenery of the Texas Hill Country. However, it
is out in the sticks.
Camp Happy Hollow ( CHH ) is more primitive and smaller, than the
John Knox Ranch Camp that the event has been
held at before.
I think there would be no shortage of places to rig a hammock.
I am guessing Camp Happy Hollow would cost at least $ 600
for the 3 day weekend.
The camp committee may say they are not interested. If that
happens, then maybe TSA could offer $ 800 or more, as
I imagine they are too cash-strapped for renovation.
Portable facilities could be erected if necessary, like the big tarp
with the Oztotl logo.
I am NOT trying to side step the procedures. I am only trying to
see what interest is out there for holding the event at CHH. If
the motion fails, I am not going to lose any sleep or get
my feelings hurt.
David Locklear
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University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
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Dallas, TX 75390-8816, USA
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True.
I also suggested Flat Creek Ranch to Ellie. Might work.
Cheers,
Denise
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:34:49 +0000
From: jran...@gmail.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
Having helped host far too many of these things my advice for Ellie was that
she needed to do whatever worked best for her. If it meets her budget, her
travel constraints, her whims etc than it is the right place. No matter what,
someone will be unhappy.
By and far the biggest issue for spring convention has been finding an
affordable site that meets all our needs. Colorado Bend typically would love
for us to have functions there but the ceiling in the conference room is a bit
low for presentations and close camping is problematic. CWAN is in a good
location but has no potable water, dry weather only camping and we would have
to work around the tours in the cave. Most of us loath the thought of going
back to Kerrville after the bout of Irritable Caver Syndrome that hit us this
summer. Sonora was fun but it is way the hell out in, well, Sonora! Cascade
Caverns was pretty good but it required a ton of prep work and you might get
shot. Albert cost us a small fortune. Burnett was fun but the divided camping
and talks upset folks. I could go on and on.
We will have convention where ever Ellie finally finds a spot that works! If
you don't like it run for TSA VP.
Joe
On Dec 2, 2009 3:26pm, Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:
> Stefan,
>
>
>
> Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...sometimes the people in West Texas
> have to drive a long ways, sometimes the people in Houston have a long drive.
>
>
>
> Those of us in North Texas *always* have a long drive.
>
>
>
> If you're really a dedicated caver and enjoy going to the TSA Convention, you
> find a way to get there.
>
>
>
> Diana
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The biggest problem David is that it's over near Houston (I
>
> think that's what you said). That's a *long* way from the
>
> center of Texas, why would the people from West Texas want
>
> to drive all the way to East Texas?
>
>
>
> Also, you have to consider the cooks (I would say that...) we
>
> don't really want to cook under a tarp, some form of kitchen
>
> would be a lot nicer for the food we usually provide).
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:53 PM
>
> To: Cavers Texas
>
> Subject: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
>
>
>
> Yesterday, I posted a note about a potential
>
> site to hold the 2010 TSA Spring Convention.
>
>
>
> I would like to make a motion that this camp be on
>
> the list of tentative sites proposed for a spring convention.
>
>
>
> I sent an e-mail to the manager the camp
>
> to see if his e-mail was still good and if he was still in charge.
>
> He immediately replied, and said he would mention
>
> it to the committee that controls this camp.
>
>
>
> I bet this place would be inexpensive compared to
>
> other choices that were mentioned.
>
>
>
> This place does not have any karst or any of the
>
> scenery of the Texas Hill Country. However, it
>
> is out in the sticks.
>
>
>
> Camp Happy Hollow ( CHH ) is more primitive and smaller, than the
>
> John Knox Ranch Camp that the event has been
>
> held at before.
>
>
>
> I think there would be no shortage of places to rig a hammock.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am guessing Camp Happy Hollow would cost at least $ 600
>
> for the 3 day weekend.
>
>
>
> The camp committee may say they are not interested. If that
>
> happens, then maybe TSA could offer $ 800 or more, as
>
> I imagine they are too cash-strapped for renovation.
>
>
>
> Portable facilities could be erected if necessary, like the big tarp
>
> with the Oztotl logo.
>
>
>
> I am NOT trying to side step the procedures. I am only trying to
>
> see what interest is out there for holding the event at CHH. If
>
> the motion fails, I am not going to lose any sleep or get
>
> my feelings hurt.
>
>
>
> David Locklear
>
>
>
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>
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>
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
>
> Department of Biochemistry
>
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>
> Rm. ND10.214B
>
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
>
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Doesn't some caver own a field surrounded by a few trees? How big does it have
to be? Three acres? Five acres would easily do it.
I went to one of the events a few years ago in April, it was west of San
Marcos. Cost more than it should for only 2 or 3 days and I frankly do not know
why? Everyone camped in a field of less than 2 acres. There was "one" ordinary
KY style outhouse, certainly nothing fancy. And, there was a plain small 30 x
40 ft. building for presentations on Sat. I think all of that, including one
meal, cost at least a thousand, maybe two thou. It fact a hat had to be passed
around to break even. On Sunday the conservation meetings were conducted
outside. What did we pay for except a place to park our vehicle?
Ediger, Ernie, Don or Raines, and others, I thought had several acres which
could work, and they are centrally located in the state.
I have never understood why one of those events should cost $40-50 for two
people for only 2 to 2 1/2 days.
Preston
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From: Denise P
To: TexasCavers
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
True.
I also suggested Flat Creek Ranch to Ellie. Might work.
Cheers,
Denise
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:34:49 +0000
From: jran...@gmail.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
Having helped host far too many of these things my advice for Ellie was that
she needed to do whatever worked best for her. If it meets her budget, her
travel constraints, her whims etc than it is the right place. No matter what,
someone will be unhappy.
By and far the biggest issue for spring convention has been finding an
affordable site that meets all our needs. Colorado Bend typically would love
for us to have functions there but the ceiling in the conference room is a bit
low for presentations and close camping is problematic. CWAN is in a good
location but has no potable water, dry weather only camping and we would have
to work around the tours in the cave. Most of us loath the thought of going
back to Kerrville after the bout of Irritable Caver Syndrome that hit us this
summer. Sonora was fun but it is way the hell out in, well, Sonora! Cascade
Caverns was pretty good but it required a ton of prep work and you might get
shot. Albert cost us a small fortune. Burnett was fun but the divided camping
and talks upset folks. I could go on and on.
We will have convention where ever Ellie finally finds a spot that works! If
you don't like it run for TSA VP.
Joe
On Dec 2, 2009 3:26pm, Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
wrote:
> Stefan,
>
>
>
> Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...sometimes the people in West Texas
have to drive a long ways, sometimes the people in Houston have a long drive.
>
>
>
> Those of us in North Texas *always* have a long drive.
>
>
>
> If you're really a dedicated caver and enjoy going to the TSA Convention,
you find a way to get there.
>
>
>
> Diana
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The biggest problem David is that it's over near Houston (I
>
> think that's what you said). That's a *long* way from the
>
> center of Texas, why would the people from West Texas want
>
> to drive all the way to East Texas?
>
>
>
> Also, you have to consider the cooks (I would say that...) we
>
> don't really want to cook under a tarp, some form of kitchen
>
> would be a lot nicer for the food we usually provide).
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefan
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>
> -----Original Message-----
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> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:53 PM
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> To: Cavers Texas
>
> Subject: [Texascavers] 2010 TSA Spring Convention related
>
>
>
> Yesterday, I posted a note about a potential
>
> site to hold the 2010 TSA Spring Convention.
>
>
>
> I would like to make a motion that this camp be on
>
> the list of tentative sites proposed for a spring convention.
>
>
>
> I sent an e-mail to the manager the camp
>
> to see if his e-mail was still good and if he was still in charge.
>
> He immediately replied, and said he would mention
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> it to the committee that controls this camp.
>
>
>
> I bet this place would be inexpensive compared to
>
> other choices that were mentioned.
>
>
>
> This place does not have any karst or any of the
>
> scenery of the Texas Hill Country. However, it
>
> is out in the sticks.
>
>
>
> Camp Happy Hollow ( CHH ) is more primitive and smaller, than the
>
> John Knox Ranch Camp that the event has been
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> held at before.
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>
>
> I think there would be no shortage of places to rig a hammock.
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>
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>
>
>
> I am guessing Camp Happy Hollow would cost at least $ 600
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> for the 3 day weekend.
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>
>
> The camp committee may say they are not interested. If that
>
> happens, then maybe TSA could offer $ 800 or more, as
>
> I imagine they are too cash-strapped for renovation.
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>
>
> Portable facilities could be erected if necessary, like the big tarp
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> with the Oztotl logo.
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>
>
> I am NOT trying to side step the procedures. I am only trying to
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> see what interest is out there for holding the event at CHH. If
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> the motion fails, I am not going to lose any sleep or get
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> my feelings hurt.
>
>
>
> David Locklear
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I just spoke with Mike Walsh and the Texas Cave Conservancy website is down
for a while. I will monitor and let folks know when it comes back up.
Ron
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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:31 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] New TCC Website?
Could someone post the new Texas Cave Conservancy website link?
http://new.texascaves.org/ and http://www.texascaves.org/ on the TSA website
are no longer working.
Thanks,
Mark
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