Re: [Therion] disc and disk symbol names
Disc is definitely the correct UK English spelling for this speleothem, so your suggestion makes sense. I also think the intention is to describe shields, so 'disc, shield' is better. Thanks for helping out sourcing translations in Māori for the symbol additions. Paul On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 21:12, Bruce Mutton wrote: > While looking at extending the current mi: translation I noticed that > there may be a lack of consistency with the en: spelling of disc/disk. > > A table from the current texts.txt shows what we have a present. > > > > *Therion syntax name en translation* > > therion: point disc-pillar en: disc on pillar > > therion: point disc-pillarsen: discs on pillars > > therion: point disc-stalactite en: disc on stalactite > > therion: point disc-stalactites en: discs on stalactites > > therion: point disc-stalagmite en: disc on stalagmite > > therion: point disc-stalagmites en: discs on stalagmites > > therion: point disken: disk > > > > After consulting with a venerable caver who lives nearby, and happens to > be a linguist, and checking with a bit of googling myself, it seems to me > that ‘disk’ is favoured by US English and for things like computer disks, > and ‘disc’ is favoured by UK English and for things like plates or > ploughing discs. > > > > So would there be any objection to changing Therion’s texts.txt to include: > > en: disc… # use disc for generic English translations > > en_UK: disc… and # use disc for UK English > > en_US: disk… # use disk for US English > > in all cases? > > > > And another thing. I’m wondering if the current point disk is referring > to what are also commonly known as shields? > > In which case: > > therion: point disken: disc, shield > > might be a better translation for ‘point disk’? > > > > > > Bruce > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
Hello again, finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand: There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is there a way to get rid of this artifact? I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are marked and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each survey has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to override the registers in code tex-map. Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons. Best regards, Roger -- Originalnachricht -- Von: "עמרי גסטר" An: "List for Therion users" Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17 Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster wrote: Hello all, thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. Thanks again for your support! Roger -- Originalnachricht -- Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" An: "List for Therion users" Cc: "Martin Sluka" Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40 Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster : After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections. For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion georeferences each scrap according those stations. Martin ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster wrote: > Hello all, > > thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey > lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection > plan again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The > background is now on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: > The stations aren't marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My > estimation shouldn't be too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the > map. > > Thanks again for your support! > > Roger > > -- Originalnachricht -- > Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" > An: "List for Therion users" > Cc: "Martin Sluka" > Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40 > Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey > > > > 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster : > > After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and > scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. > > > > I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections. > > For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion > georeferences each scrap according those stations. > > Martin > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion@speleo.sk > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
Hello all, thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. Thanks again for your support! Roger -- Originalnachricht -- Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" An: "List for Therion users" Cc: "Martin Sluka" Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40 Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster : After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections. For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion georeferences each scrap according those stations. Martin___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
> 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster : > > After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and > scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections. For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion georeferences each scrap according those stations. Martin___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
Roger You have not included the file hoehle.jpg so I cannot test the compilation including the sketch. I have not had problems getting sketches to plot in pdfs. Your scrap only has one point in it, so that would be my first place to look. I suspect you need at least two station points to orient the sketch to the scrap – at least that is how I have always done it. I also suggest plotting the survey centreline while you are going through the debugging process – I couldn’t make that work in your example just now – brain fade. Bruce From: Therion On Behalf Of Roger Schuster Sent: Monday, 13 April 2020 21:21 To: therion@speleo.sk Subject: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey Hello cavers, currently I try to work with some legacy survey which are the original survey data and the final map with scale bar but without marked stations. My intention is to geo-reference the existing map (i.e. attaching the entrance location to the UTM grid) and use it in a cave atlas of the area. I don't want to redraw the whole map in Therion. I followed the directions given in the therion wiki and entered the survey data and the resulting model in Loch looks fine and plausible. After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I marked the location of the first survey station at the cave entrance and in the layout section of my thconfig I turned on sketch export. Unfortunately it doesn't work. The generated pdf only contains the map header (with wrong length and depth statistics btw!) and a short part of the first survey shot. I expect the whole scanned background image to be visible and in scale in the pdf. Honestly said I never got the "sketches on" working with any of my old and new maps. What I am doing wrong? Any pointer to the right direction is highly appreciated. Best regards and thanks in advance, Roger ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
Hello Roger, Define at least one more station in the th2 – file. Therion will the scale the map automatically if there are >2 stations, no need to do manual scaling then. If that doesn’t work, provide also the jpg and the thconfig file, and I can have a look. Regards, Michael. Von: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] Im Auftrag von Roger Schuster Gesendet: Montag, 13. April 2020 11:21 An: therion@speleo.sk Betreff: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey Hello cavers, currently I try to work with some legacy survey which are the original survey data and the final map with scale bar but without marked stations. My intention is to geo-reference the existing map (i.e. attaching the entrance location to the UTM grid) and use it in a cave atlas of the area. I don't want to redraw the whole map in Therion. I followed the directions given in the therion wiki and entered the survey data and the resulting model in Loch looks fine and plausible. After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I marked the location of the first survey station at the cave entrance and in the layout section of my thconfig I turned on sketch export. Unfortunately it doesn't work. The generated pdf only contains the map header (with wrong length and depth statistics btw!) and a short part of the first survey shot. I expect the whole scanned background image to be visible and in scale in the pdf. Honestly said I never got the "sketches on" working with any of my old and new maps. What I am doing wrong? Any pointer to the right direction is highly appreciated. Best regards and thanks in advance, Roger ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
[Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
Hello cavers, currently I try to work with some legacy survey which are the original survey data and the final map with scale bar but without marked stations. My intention is to geo-reference the existing map (i.e. attaching the entrance location to the UTM grid) and use it in a cave atlas of the area. I don't want to redraw the whole map in Therion. I followed the directions given in the therion wiki and entered the survey data and the resulting model in Loch looks fine and plausible. After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. I marked the location of the first survey station at the cave entrance and in the layout section of my thconfig I turned on sketch export. Unfortunately it doesn't work. The generated pdf only contains the map header (with wrong length and depth statistics btw!) and a short part of the first survey shot. I expect the whole scanned background image to be visible and in scale in the pdf. Honestly said I never got the "sketches on" working with any of my old and new maps. What I am doing wrong? Any pointer to the right direction is highly appreciated. Best regards and thanks in advance, Roger<> ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
[Therion] disc and disk symbol names
While looking at extending the current mi: translation I noticed that there may be a lack of consistency with the en: spelling of disc/disk. A table from the current texts.txt shows what we have a present. Therion syntax name en translation therion: point disc-pillar en: disc on pillar therion: point disc-pillarsen: discs on pillars therion: point disc-stalactite en: disc on stalactite therion: point disc-stalactites en: discs on stalactites therion: point disc-stalagmite en: disc on stalagmite therion: point disc-stalagmites en: discs on stalagmites therion: point disken: disk After consulting with a venerable caver who lives nearby, and happens to be a linguist, and checking with a bit of googling myself, it seems to me that 'disk' is favoured by US English and for things like computer disks, and 'disc' is favoured by UK English and for things like plates or ploughing discs. So would there be any objection to changing Therion's texts.txt to include: en: disc. # use disc for generic English translations en_UK: disc. and # use disc for UK English en_US: disk. # use disk for US English in all cases? And another thing. I'm wondering if the current point disk is referring to what are also commonly known as shields? In which case: therion: point disken: disc, shield might be a better translation for 'point disk'? Bruce ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion
