Re: [Therion] Disconnected centrelines - Extended Elevation Control

[Guy Demars via Therion]

I had this problem for two pits not connected and i resolve it by using a 
surface suvey

Guy

De : Bruce Mutton via Therion
Envoyé le :samedi 8 avril 2017 00:52
À : 'List for Therion users'
Cc : Bruce Mutton
Objet :[Therion] Disconnected centrelines - Extended Elevation Control

I am braving the creation of some extended elevations of some main routes 
through a cave with a number of branches, loops, through trips and hopefully to 
include a nearby cave.
Looking at the attachment First-Sample… I have an extended elevation that 
traverses a number of centrelines, some in the direction of survey, some  
against the direction of survey and one loop, which itself traverses a couple 
of surveys.  It looks simple, but was a challenge, although it now looks how I 
want it to.

Along the way to building it, there were plenty of times when there were random 
offsets that I had no control over.  Although I have some insights as to why 
that might have been, and think I understand extend start, ignore, hide, there 
were plenty of times when it appeared that large offsets were occurring for no 
apparent reason.

Anyway, the attached First-Sample… looks as I want it.

Now I want to add another very short cave, which is connected by a long series 
of survey centrelines, although these centrelines are not to be part of this 
elevation, so are not included in the centreline maps  I have created.

See the attached 2caves-Sample…
The second cave, and small part of surface survey, should ideally be located 
just to the right of the main elevation, because that is where, in reality 
there is a small gap between them.  There is no survey of the gap of course – 
the survey goes around the long cave passages and surface to get there!  (And 
there are gps fixed stations as well, so the surveys could potentially be 
disconnected, but that might mess with the plan maps – as usual there is a bit 
of misclose!)

I have tried using a start statement for each, and a start statement for only 
one of them.  This has no effect, and even if it did, there is not much chance 
it would produce the result I wanted.

Is there a way to control the starting location of this second piece of 
(disconnected) centreline?

Bruce


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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[Guy Demars via Therion]

And called « sapins d’argile » in french.


Guy

De : Benedikt Hallinger via Therion
Envoyé le :mardi 21 février 2017 17:54
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Objet :Re: [Therion]Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

Clay trees are small treelike structures consisting of clay.
Its called "Lehmbäumchen" in german.

Am 2017-02-21 17:16, schrieb Rodrigo Severo via Therion:
> Hi,
>
> Im making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. Im not 
> entirely satisfied with some of them.
>
> Whats a "clay-tree" point? I couldnt find out even searching Google.
>
> Rodrigo

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Re: [Therion] error generating PDF

[Guy Demars]

Hi,


Le 03/10/2016 22:58, Andrea Corna a écrit :

sh: cavern: command not found


did you try to generate a lox ?, is it working ?

Guy
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[Therion] Therion iMac El Capitan jpeg

[Guy Demars]

 Hello,
Try tu use png or better gif
Therion works fine with gif

Guy

De : Völkl Gernot
Envoyé le :mardi 31 mai 2016 07:22
À : 'therion at speleo.sk'
Objet :[Therion] Therion iMac El Capitan jpeg

Hello!

I have a Problem with my iMac. I want to draw a sketch in therion. 
Therefor i want to insert a old plan ending jpg. I can’t open it. It is 
always grey……

Please can help me someone.

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[Therion] Ouverture pdf

[Guy Demars]

Hello,
J'ai utilisé Okular qui est un peu plus rapide mais pas top, mais 
actuellement j'utilise Sumatra qui tourne dans une machine virtuelle, je 
n'ai pas réussi à l'installer avec Wine pour voir.

Guy

Le 03/02/2016 13:22, Bertrand Hauser a écrit :
> Salut,
>
> Oui, Evince mets en effet un temps conséquent pour tracer les gros 
> PDF. Sur ma machine, je vois que c'est un peu long pour les grosses 
> topos, mais je n'ai pas eu le temps de me pencher sur l'utilisation 
> d'un autre viewer. D'ailleurs, si tu as un retour d'expérience, ca 
> peut être utile à tous...
>
> Bertrand
>
> Le 3 février 2016 à 13:11, Guy Demars  <mailto:guy.demars7 at orange.fr>> a écrit :
>
> Bonjour,
>
> Bertrand, arrives-tu à ouvrir un gros PDF avec Evince, moi je l'ai
> abandonné car il met deux plombes à m'ouvrir mes fichiers (ce sont
> de grandes topos, certes, mais d'autre visualiseurs sont beaucoup
> plus rapides)
>
> Guy
>
> Le 03/02/2016 08:45, Bertrand Hauser a écrit :
>> Salut,
>>
>> Cela dépends du logiciel que tu utilises pour visionner ton PDF.
>> Personnellement, le mien met à jour l'affichage immédiatement,
>> lorsque le fichier est modifié. Ainsi, je n'ai qu'à switcher
>> entre Xtherion et mon visualisateur PDF lorsque j'ai lancé la
>> compilation, le viewer restant ouvert en permanence sur le
>> fichier d'export.
>> A noter que je suis sous Linux, avec le PDF viewer de base de Gnome.
>>
>> A +
>> Bertrand
>>
>> Le 3 février 2016 à 08:04, Yann Gardère > <mailto:gardere.yann at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>>
>>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Peut t'on automatiser l'ouverture du pdf généré à chaque
>> compilation de la cavité ?
>>
>> Je n'ai pas trouvé d'autre moyen que de regarder manuellement
>> le résultat de chaque nouvel élément graphique en ouvrant
>> manuellement le pdf suite à la compilation
>>
>> Merci!
>>
>> Gardère Yann
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[Therion] Ouverture pdf

[Guy Demars]

Bonjour,

Bertrand, arrives-tu à ouvrir un gros PDF avec Evince, moi je l'ai 
abandonné car il met deux plombes à m'ouvrir mes fichiers (ce sont de 
grandes topos, certes, mais d'autre visualiseurs sont beaucoup plus rapides)

Guy

Le 03/02/2016 08:45, Bertrand Hauser a écrit :
> Salut,
>
> Cela dépends du logiciel que tu utilises pour visionner ton PDF. 
> Personnellement, le mien met à jour l'affichage immédiatement, lorsque 
> le fichier est modifié. Ainsi, je n'ai qu'à switcher entre Xtherion et 
> mon visualisateur PDF lorsque j'ai lancé la compilation, le viewer 
> restant ouvert en permanence sur le fichier d'export.
> A noter que je suis sous Linux, avec le PDF viewer de base de Gnome.
>
> A +
> Bertrand
>
> Le 3 février 2016 à 08:04, Yann Gardère  > a écrit :
>
>
> Bonjour,
>
> Peut t'on automatiser l'ouverture du pdf généré à chaque
> compilation de la cavité ?
>
> Je n'ai pas trouvé d'autre moyen que de regarder manuellement le
> résultat de chaque nouvel élément graphique en ouvrant
> manuellement le pdf suite à la compilation
>
> Merci!
>
> Gardère Yann
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[Therion] Can I print the legend without a map

[Guy Demars]

Hi,

did you try "symbol-hide group all " in your layout ?

Guy

Le 21/04/2015 12:42, rowena a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a need to produce a pdf  list of symbols used in my Therion 
> maps (ie legends), without including a map. I do not want a complete 
> list of all symbols that Therion knows about, only specific ones I 
> have used, those I have customised with colours (as defined in my club 
> standards), and some user defined symbols.
>
> I have had almost complete success in creating this by creating  a 
> dummy map  with all the symbols I want included at random spots.
>
> However when I create the pdf I get the dummy map included on the pdf 
> as well as the legend.
>
> My config file includes:
>
> code tex-map
>
>   \def\maplayout{
>
> \legendbox{-0}{-10}{NW}{\hsize=20cm\formattedlegend }
>
>   }
>
> How would I create effectively a legend only with no map?
>
> Can I turn off the map in the output without turning off the legend?
>
> (Note:
>
> --print-symbols produces all symbols whereas I only want the ones I 
> have selected)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rowena
>
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[Therion] plumbs on

[Guy Demars]

Wookey,

thanks a lot, I was wrong because of using sometimes 0 instead of -

I think this rule is good :

if I use infer plumbs on --> never use 0 or up or down but only -

if I don't use infer plumbs on --> never use - but up or down (0 works 
but must be avoided)

Guy


Le 13/04/2015 19:19, Wookey a écrit :
> +++ Guy Demars [2015-04-13 16:41 +0200]:
>> sorry, but it doesn't work
>> It's not exactly a Therion problem, but a Survex one
>>
>> I' tried with a sample
>> first export with no plumps
> you mean plumbs, right?
>
>> second with plumps on
>> third with plumps on a tranlation of my centreline from grads to degres
>>
>> the firs and second exports are same, the third is corrected ( not
>> exactly as I hope, but fine)
>>
>> I suspect this because with the centreline :
>>
>> from to tape compass clino
>> a0a1 55 - -90
>>
>> Therion compile without error
>>
>> if you replace by
>>
>> units clino grad
>> from to tape compass clino
>> a0a1 55 - -100
>>
>> Therion compile with warning
>> Survex gives the error :
>> 3> /tmp/th6261/data.svx:231: La valeur de l’azimut ne peut être
>> omise, sauf sur les visées verticales
>>
>> sorry it's in french, in english : azimut can't be omitted unless
>> for vertical shots
> I tested this in survex.
> (cavern plumbtest)
>
> This works for me:
> *units clino grads
> *infer plumbs on
> ;from to tape compass clino
> a0a1 55 - -100
>
> if you do:
> *units clino grads
> *infer plumbs off
> ;from to tape compass clino
> a0a1 55 - -100
>
> instead then it complains:
> "error: Compass reading may not be omitted except on plumbed legs
>
> if you do:
> *units clino grads
> *infer plumbs off
> ;from to tape compass clino
> a0a1 55 - DOWN
>
> then that works OK too.
>
> so this is working as expected in cavern/survex.
>
>
> doing the same in therion syntax:
> (therion -s plumbtest)
> this fails:
>
> centreline
> units clino grad
> infer plumbs off
> data normal from to tape compass clino
> a0a1 55 - -100
> endcentreline
>
> and this works:
> centreline
> units clino grad
> infer plumbs on
> data normal from to tape compass clino
> a0a1 55 - -100
> endcentreline
>
> and so does this:
> centreline
> units clino grad
> data normal from to tape compass clino
> a0a1 55 - DOWN
> endcentreline
>
> So that seems to me to be working OK.
>
> Your example expects plumbs to be inferred without actually turning
> 'infer' on. That doesn't work because the default for 'infer' is off.
>
> Wookey

[Therion] plumbs on

[Guy Demars]

sorry, but it doesn't work
It's not exactly a Therion problem, but a Survex one

I' tried with a sample
first export with no plumps
second with plumps on
third with plumps on a tranlation of my centreline from grads to degres

the firs and second exports are same, the third is corrected ( not 
exactly as I hope, but fine)

I suspect this because with the centreline :

from to tape compass clino
a0a1 55 - -90

Therion compile without error

if you replace by

units clino grad
from to tape compass clino
a0a1 55 - -100

Therion compile with warning
Survex gives the error :
3> /tmp/th6261/data.svx:231: La valeur de l’azimut ne peut être omise, 
sauf sur les visées verticales

sorry it's in french, in english : azimut can't be omitted unless for 
vertical shots

Guy

Le 13/04/2015 16:03, Martin Sluka a écrit :
> It should work.
>
> m.
>
>
>> 13. 4. 2015 v 14:56, Guy Demars :
>>
>> is "infer plumbs on" working with a centreline with clino in grade ?
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[Therion] plumbs on

[Guy Demars]

Hi,

is "infer plumbs on" working with a centreline with clino in grade ?

Regards

Guy

[Therion] Entrances on map

[Guy Demars]

Hello,

with Therion I don't know, but it is usimple with QGIS : 
http://cp.cavesurveying.org.uk/index.php/articles/13-gis-for-cave-surveyors-part-1

Guy

Le 02/12/2014 12:59, Vasily Vl. Suhachev a écrit :
> Hello
>
> How to show entrances on map?
>
> If I create a model the entrances is displayed. But how to display 
> them on the map?
>
> My thconfig follows such shema:
> ===
> source
>
>   centerline
> cs lat-long
>
> station ent1 "Entrance 1" entrance
> fix ent1 ...
>
> station ent2 "Entrance 2" entrance
> fix ent2 ...
>   endcenterline
>
>   surface
> bitmap ...
>   endsurface
>
> endsource
>
> export map -o surface.pdf
> ===
>
> PS:
>
> And addition question: what is purpose of 'mark fixed' command?
>