Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

On Jan 10, 2017, at 01:17 AM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion  
wrote:

Thanks Bruce for the clear explanation,

I apologize myself, "-entrance" is the option of survey command and not a 
parameter. 

Andrew, I'm sure such discussions are quite important here mainly for beginners 
(as me as you may saw).

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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Andrew Atkinson via Therion]

Thanks Bruce for the clear explanation, I am current in Myamar using kit I
am not use to, I was trying to use it as a command like option not an
option so has not included the hyphen or put it on the same line as the
survey.

All working now,

Thanks

Andrew

On 10 Jan 2017 01:17, "Bruce Mutton via Therion" <therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> Looking at this whole thread to date...
>
> I use same version of therion and windows as Andrew, plus Vladimir's beta
> as well.
>
> I have many projects that have multiple entrances defined, as well and
> main entrances, and in a hierarchical structure.
>
> Never any problems encountered over many years, once I understood the,
> main entrance – minor entrance distinction.
>
> Andrew, it is not just that you are using a different computer or editor,
> and the ‘survey -entrance’  is turning into ‘survey –entrance’ (ie short
> dash to long dash)?
>
> Or some other unexpected thing like that?
>
>
>
> A sample main entrance definition, a bit complicated, but it works for
> simple ones as well;
>
>
>
> survey a -title "Survey A Upper levels to Smaugs Hall towards Connection
> Pitch Middle Earth Cave" \
>
>  -entrance a1
>
>
>
> At a higher level index file I name the main cave appropriately, ie
>
>
>
> survey GLMESM_system -title "Greenlink, Middle Earth,Swiss Maid Cave
> System"
>
>
>
> The export statement I use is;
>
> export cave-list \
>
>   -surveys on   \
>
>   -location off \
>
>   -output ./Output/GLMESM_SystemCaves.html
>
>
>
> And it produces output like the attached image, which has a 4 level deep
> hierarchy, main caves entrances, minor entrances and unexplored entrances
> all included…
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>  Original message ----
> From: Andrew Atkinson via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>
> Date: 10/01/17 00:54 (GMT+12:00)
> To: List for Therion users <therion@speleo.sk>
> Cc: Andrew Atkinson <and...@wotcc.org.uk>
> Subject: [Therion] Entrance for cave list
>
> Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
> Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier for a
> cave to be used in cave-list export.
>
> However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance
>
> Now I can sort of get round it using
> Station 0 "" entrance
> in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is a bit
> weird. Am I missing something?
>
> V 5.3.16 on windows 10
>
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[Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Looking at this whole thread to date... 

I use same version of therion and windows as Andrew, plus Vladimir's beta as 
well.

I have many projects that have multiple entrances defined, as well and main 
entrances, and in a hierarchical structure.

Never any problems encountered over many years, once I understood the, main 
entrance – minor entrance distinction.

Andrew, it is not just that you are using a different computer or editor, and 
the ‘survey -entrance’  is turning into ‘survey –entrance’ (ie short dash to 
long dash)?

Or some other unexpected thing like that?

 

A sample main entrance definition, a bit complicated, but it works for simple 
ones as well;

 

survey a -title "Survey A Upper levels to Smaugs Hall towards Connection Pitch 
Middle Earth Cave" \

 -entrance a1

 

At a higher level index file I name the main cave appropriately, ie 

 

survey GLMESM_system -title "Greenlink, Middle Earth,Swiss Maid Cave System"

 

The export statement I use is;

export cave-list \

  -surveys on   \

  -location off \

  -output ./Output/GLMESM_SystemCaves.html

 

And it produces output like the attached image, which has a 4 level deep 
hierarchy, main caves entrances, minor entrances and unexplored entrances all 
included…



 

Bruce

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From: Andrew Atkinson via Therion <therion@speleo.sk <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> 
> 
Date: 10/01/17 00:54 (GMT+12:00) 
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Cc: Andrew Atkinson <and...@wotcc.org.uk <mailto:and...@wotcc.org.uk> > 
Subject: [Therion] Entrance for cave list 

Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier for a cave 
to be used in cave-list export.

However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance

Now I can sort of get round it using 
Station 0 "" entrance
in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is a bit weird. 
Am I missing something?

V 5.3.16 on windows 10 

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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Andrew Atkinson via Therion]

I said in the original email that station 0 "" entrance
Worked but
Entrance 0 did not, one in centerline and one in survey, respectively.
Answers keep been given for station 0 "" entrance which is confusing to the
thread as it is entrance 0 that does not work. Now you say centerline 0,
which I assume is just a typo.

Andrew

On 9 Jan 2017 22:27, "Martin Sluka via Therion"  wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> It is not confusing thread. I used several times "station entrance" flag
> in centerline section, when the entrance was in the middle of centerline,
> because therion had problem to calculate altitude correctly and generate
> extended elevation too. But I used "centerline 0" in survey section for
> list of caves. Exactly as you.
>
> I'll phone to Stacho where is the problem.
>
> m.s.
>
> On Jan 09, 2017, at 04:49 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
> Yes I know how to use the station command but it does not do what I want.
> I need the entrance command, please stop confusing the thread
>
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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

Andrew,

It is not confusing thread. I used several times "station entrance" flag in centerline 
section, when the entrance was in the middle of centerline, because therion had problem to 
calculate altitude correctly and generate extended elevation too. But I used "centerline 
0" in survey section for list of caves. Exactly as you.

I'll phone to Stacho where is the problem.

m.s.

On Jan 09, 2017, at 04:49 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion  
wrote:

Yes I know how to use the station command but it does not do what I want. I 
need the entrance command, please stop confusing the thread
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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Andrew Atkinson via Therion]

Yes I know how to use the station command but it does not do what I want. I
need the entrance command, please stop confusing the thread

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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Torsten Schnitter via Therion]

Hi Andrew

Just as an idea put in a blank as station description:
station 0 " " entrance

I think I had a similar problem like that. But may be I remember not correct.

regards,
Torsten

> Andrew Atkinson via Therion  hat am 9. Januar 2017 um 
> 12:54 geschrieben:
> 
> 
> Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
> Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier for a 
> cave to be used in cave-list export.
> 
> However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance
> 
> Now I can sort of get round it using
> Station 0 "" entrance
> in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is a bit 
> weird. Am I missing something?
> 
> V 5.3.16 on windows 10
> 
> Andrew
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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Michal Danko via Therion]

hi all,
my th file..


survey bensova -title "Bensova"
input bensova.th2

map ben
scrap1
endmap

centreline
cs jtsk
fix 1 378752.84 1201718.558 1383.807
station 1 "Bensova j." entrance

  units clino compass deg
  #calibrate tape 0 0.1
  date 1971
  data normal from to compass clino length #up down right left
1 2 100.2 -19.2 18.59
2 3 96.5 2.5 5.7
3 4 123.3 3.5 2.94
4 5 201.2 14.2 11.59
5 6 111.5 -31.3 9.48
6 7 59.5 7.5 6.22
7 8 89.5 -17 12.95
8 9 104.2 3 7.56
9 10 154 34.3 7.4



endcentreline
endsurvey



S pozdravom

Ing. Michal Danko



On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> As I said in my first email, I have used that, however, the thbook also
> states that
> entrance 0
> Should work in survey, to define a cave in the cave-list assumably for
> multi entrance systems then
> station 0 "" entrance
> can be used for other entrances.
> The original email I sent gave your solution, but the thbook command as
> stated in my original email does not work.
>
> Andrew
>
> On 9 Jan 2017 21:32, "Pavel Herich via Therion"  wrote:
>
>> "not enough data readings" - because it´s written under command data
>> normal from to ... Proper way to use it is following:
>>
>> survey -title "Cave name"
>> ...
>> centerline
>> station 0 "Cave name" entrance
>> ...
>> data normal from to compass clino ...
>> ...
>> endcenterline
>> ensurvey
>>
>> Then things works well.
>> Pavel
>>
>>
>>
>> Dňa 2017-01-09 15:52 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):
>>
>>> The Therion book states it has to be in survey, I tried
>>> entrance 0
>>> in centreline, then you get an error, not enough data readings.
>>>
>>> Yes I know what it is meant to do, but it is not working, I will post
>>> examples when I am back in the UK, not easily done from rural
>>> Myanmar
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On 9 Jan 2017 20:57, "Pavel Herich via Therion" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Definition of entrance has to be inside centerline.
 Then "export cave-list -location on -o cave.html" gives you
 coordinates and lenght and depth of your surveys compiled, conected
 with defined entrances. If you have a index.th [1], which connects
 all your caves (every cave has to be at least in one or more
 surveys; and more surveys connected under one general cave survey),
 then you have list of all caves with one or more defined entrances.
 Pavel

 Dňa 2017-01-09 15:14 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):

 Yes, that is what I said, and it gives an error

 Andrew

 On 9 Jan 2017 19:04, "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
 wrote:

 Definition of entrance is part of survey-endsurvey

 m.s.

 On Jan 09, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion
  wrote:

 Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
 Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier
 for a cave to be used in cave-list export.

 However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance

 Now I can sort of get round it using
 Station 0 "" entrance
 in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is
 a bit weird. Am I missing something?

 V 5.3.16 on windows 10

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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Andrew Atkinson via Therion]

As I said in my first email, I have used that, however, the thbook also
states that
entrance 0
Should work in survey, to define a cave in the cave-list assumably for
multi entrance systems then
station 0 "" entrance
can be used for other entrances.
The original email I sent gave your solution, but the thbook command as
stated in my original email does not work.

Andrew

On 9 Jan 2017 21:32, "Pavel Herich via Therion"  wrote:

> "not enough data readings" - because it´s written under command data
> normal from to ... Proper way to use it is following:
>
> survey -title "Cave name"
> ...
> centerline
> station 0 "Cave name" entrance
> ...
> data normal from to compass clino ...
> ...
> endcenterline
> ensurvey
>
> Then things works well.
> Pavel
>
>
>
> Dňa 2017-01-09 15:52 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):
>
>> The Therion book states it has to be in survey, I tried
>> entrance 0
>> in centreline, then you get an error, not enough data readings.
>>
>> Yes I know what it is meant to do, but it is not working, I will post
>> examples when I am back in the UK, not easily done from rural
>> Myanmar
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 9 Jan 2017 20:57, "Pavel Herich via Therion" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Definition of entrance has to be inside centerline.
>>> Then "export cave-list -location on -o cave.html" gives you
>>> coordinates and lenght and depth of your surveys compiled, conected
>>> with defined entrances. If you have a index.th [1], which connects
>>> all your caves (every cave has to be at least in one or more
>>> surveys; and more surveys connected under one general cave survey),
>>> then you have list of all caves with one or more defined entrances.
>>> Pavel
>>>
>>> Dňa 2017-01-09 15:14 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):
>>>
>>> Yes, that is what I said, and it gives an error
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On 9 Jan 2017 19:04, "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Definition of entrance is part of survey-endsurvey
>>>
>>> m.s.
>>>
>>> On Jan 09, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
>>> Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier
>>> for a cave to be used in cave-list export.
>>>
>>> However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance
>>>
>>> Now I can sort of get round it using
>>> Station 0 "" entrance
>>> in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is
>>> a bit weird. Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> V 5.3.16 on windows 10
>>>
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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

It is another "entrance" 

"station 0 entrance" means, that this station is reference point from which is 
altitude calculated and centerline flipped for extended elevation.

For list of caves it is "entrance 0" in survey section. Or should be.

m.


On Jan 09, 2017, at 04:03 PM, Pavel Herich via Therion  
wrote:

"not enough data readings" - because it´s written under command data 
normal from to ... Proper way to use it is following:


survey -title "Cave name"
...
centerline
station 0 "Cave name" entrance
...
data normal from to compass clino ...
...
endcenterline
ensurvey

Then things works well.
Pavel



Dňa 2017-01-09 15:52 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):
The Therion book states it has to be in survey, I tried
entrance 0
in centreline, then you get an error, not enough data readings.

Yes I know what it is meant to do, but it is not working, I will post
examples when I am back in the UK, not easily done from rural
Myanmar

Andrew

On 9 Jan 2017 20:57, "Pavel Herich via Therion" 
wrote:

Definition of entrance has to be inside centerline.
Then "export cave-list -location on -o cave.html" gives you
coordinates and lenght and depth of your surveys compiled, conected
with defined entrances. If you have a index.th [1], which connects
all your caves (every cave has to be at least in one or more
surveys; and more surveys connected under one general cave survey),
then you have list of all caves with one or more defined entrances.
Pavel

Dňa 2017-01-09 15:14 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):

Yes, that is what I said, and it gives an error

Andrew

On 9 Jan 2017 19:04, "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
wrote:

Definition of entrance is part of survey-endsurvey

m.s.

On Jan 09, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion
 wrote:

Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier
for a cave to be used in cave-list export.

However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance

Now I can sort of get round it using
Station 0 "" entrance
in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is
a bit weird. Am I missing something?

V 5.3.16 on windows 10

Andrew

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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

I'm sorry, next text is copied from the thBook:

‘survey’
….
• entrance  ▷ specifies the main entrance to the cave represented 
by
this survey. If not specified and there is exactly one station marked entrance 
in this
survey, it is considered to represent a cave also. This information is used for 
cave-list
export.
‘centreline’
Description: Survey data (centreline) specification. The syntax is borrowed 
from Survex
with minor modifications; the Survex manual may be useful as an additional 
reference
for the user. A synonym term ‘centerline’ may be used.
Syntax: centreline [OPTIONS]
date 
team  [ 
wrote:

Definition of entrance has to be inside centerline.
Then "export cave-list -location on -o cave.html" gives you coordinates 
and lenght and depth of your surveys compiled, conected with defined 
entrances. If you have a index.th, which connects all your caves (every 
cave has to be at least in one or more surveys; and more surveys 
connected under one general cave survey), then you have list of all 
caves with one or more defined entrances.

Pavel



Dňa 2017-01-09 15:14 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):
Yes, that is what I said, and it gives an error

Andrew

On 9 Jan 2017 19:04, "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
wrote:

Definition of entrance is part of survey-endsurvey

m.s.

On Jan 09, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion
 wrote:

Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier
for a cave to be used in cave-list export.

However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance

Now I can sort of get round it using
Station 0 "" entrance
in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is
a bit weird. Am I missing something?

V 5.3.16 on windows 10

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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Andrew Atkinson via Therion]

The Therion book states it has to be in survey, I tried
entrance 0
in centreline, then you get an error, not enough data readings.

Yes I know what it is meant to do, but it is not working, I will post
examples when I am back in the UK, not easily done from rural Myanmar

Andrew

On 9 Jan 2017 20:57, "Pavel Herich via Therion"  wrote:

Definition of entrance has to be inside centerline.
Then "export cave-list -location on -o cave.html" gives you coordinates and
lenght and depth of your surveys compiled, conected with defined entrances.
If you have a index.th, which connects all your caves (every cave has to be
at least in one or more surveys; and more surveys connected under one
general cave survey), then you have list of all caves with one or more
defined entrances.
Pavel



Dňa 2017-01-09 15:14 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):

> Yes, that is what I said, and it gives an error
>
> Andrew
>
> On 9 Jan 2017 19:04, "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
> wrote:
>
> Definition of entrance is part of survey-endsurvey
>>
>> m.s.
>>
>> On Jan 09, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
>>> Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier
>>> for a cave to be used in cave-list export.
>>>
>>> However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance
>>>
>>> Now I can sort of get round it using
>>> Station 0 "" entrance
>>> in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is
>>> a bit weird. Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> V 5.3.16 on windows 10
>>>
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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Pavel Herich via Therion]

Definition of entrance has to be inside centerline.
Then "export cave-list -location on -o cave.html" gives you coordinates 
and lenght and depth of your surveys compiled, conected with defined 
entrances. If you have a index.th, which connects all your caves (every 
cave has to be at least in one or more surveys; and more surveys 
connected under one general cave survey), then you have list of all 
caves with one or more defined entrances.

Pavel



Dňa 2017-01-09 15:14 Andrew Atkinson via Therion napísal(a):

Yes, that is what I said, and it gives an error

Andrew

On 9 Jan 2017 19:04, "Martin Sluka via Therion" 
wrote:


Definition of entrance is part of survey-endsurvey

m.s.

On Jan 09, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion
 wrote:


Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier
for a cave to be used in cave-list export.

However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance

Now I can sort of get round it using
Station 0 "" entrance
in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is
a bit weird. Am I missing something?

V 5.3.16 on windows 10

Andrew

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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Andrew Atkinson via Therion]

Yes, that is what I said, and it gives an error

Andrew

On 9 Jan 2017 19:04, "Martin Sluka via Therion"  wrote:

> Definition of entrance is part of survey-endsurvey
>
> m.s.
>
> On Jan 09, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
> Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
> Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier for a
> cave to be used in cave-list export.
>
> However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance
>
> Now I can sort of get round it using
> Station 0 "" entrance
> in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is a bit
> weird. Am I missing something?
>
> V 5.3.16 on windows 10
>
> Andrew
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Re: [Therion] Entrance for cave list

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

Definition of entrance is part of survey-endsurvey

m.s.

On Jan 09, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Atkinson via Therion  
wrote:

Page 17 of the Therion hook states that station 
Under the context survey should be used as the entrance identifier for a cave 
to be used in cave-list export.
However, this gives an error unknown command -- entrance
Now I can sort of get round it using 
Station 0 "" entrance

in the centerline, but this does not define a cave so the list is a bit weird. 
Am I missing something?
V 5.3.16 on windows 10
Andrew
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