[tw] Re: Transclusion nomenclature conventions?
On Nov 22, 5:30 am, Tobias Beer wrote: Hi Tobias, Thank you for you very lucid delineation of the transclusion conundrum the way you see it. It is very helpful. You are smarter than the average Beer ;-) > So, do you > have any specific example which you can put up and ask: How in the > world would you describe what's going on in this case? I will in the fullness of time. However it may be presented as near le fait accompli due to the magnitude of the various incarnations of transclusion components; however, there will only be a handful of words and if it goes beyond three or four a glossary may be provided if found necessary:-) > If what you're doing evolves into a complex functional > system in its own right... then those (terms for) sturctures will > surely follow as you just can't do without. This is true, as necessity is the mother of invention. > Setting up meaningful relations via naming and tagging of tiddlers > doesn't seem to differ much for pojects involving transclusion as > opposed to, say, some general-content-tiddlywiki. It could differ because of the so-called 'non-linear' nature of TiddlyWiki is already hard to grasp for the uninitiated. Transclusion is not a common term, and in practice can create unusual relationships that may be hard to track down if they are compounded. I'm already having this problem and I'm designing it:-) For some the construction of a TiddlyWiki for a particular application becomes an end in itself and the application never gets completed as they get caught in the vortex of TiddlyWiki versatility :-) http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlyWikiWoes Your tabulation above of noun and verbs is a valuable starting place. I may name something after you, some charming Beerism perhaps, or more likely a transclusion-beer-break while one tries to figure out where some transclusion came from or where-in-the-hell did that go?... :-) Oh well, back to work... Morris On Nov 22, 5:30 am, Tobias Beer wrote: > I have (at least) two barriers with your request. > > 1) I can only imaginably understand your naming problem. So, do you > have any specific example which you can put up and ask: How in the > world would you describe what's going on in this case? ...so that we > can go and tag your things with words of our choice and (you) decide > (for yourself) which ones seem most suitable? > > 2) I think conventions as for structure should not be overly stressed > outside the core... in other words, they're very much depending on the > use-case. If what you're doing evolves into a complex functional > system in its own right... then those (terms for) sturctures will > surely follow as you just can't do without. However, I am not sure if > for such a partial aspect to work out well it requires the whole > tiddlyverse to be speaking the same language... that's just doesn't > seem to be how languages evolve ...whereas you use words ...and if you > find that noone understands your words, though you tried real hard to > explain yourself, they're likely to be forgotten quickly or in that > other case become tied into the expressive network of whatever > language you're dealing with. > > I, personally, am perfectly fine with using 'transclusion' as a > propper verb and noun, such as... > > *This is a transclusion of A into B. > *A is transcluded into B > *I am transcluding A into B > *B uses transclusion to pull in content from A via an inline script. > *I have a multi-level transclusion, which uses methods in (hidden) > sections of A to systematically pull different content elements and > output an aggregated summary into B > *ect... > > So, again, maybe all that is required for this to be well communicated > you just need a basic idea of what those things are that you can do > with transclusion... so that you can imagine what someone else is > speaking of when talking about such. > > Setting up meaningful relations via naming and tagging of tiddlers > doesn't seem to differ much for pojects involving transclusion as > opposed to, say, some general-content-tiddlywiki. > > Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Wikifying your FF bookmarks, kind of.
Just discovered that if you use FF (untried for other browsers), then you can right click on a bookmarks folder, choose copy, and then paste into a tiddler, resulting in a list with all the bookmark-addresses This is obviously powerful in combo with FramedLinksPlugin * letting you click on any of those listed bookmark-links and get an iFrame opening right in the list. * http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#FramedLinksPlugin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
On 21 Νοέ, 20:34, Tobias Beer wrote: > Thanks Måns, > > Always one step ahead. Do you actually have tiddlycerials for > breakfast? ;-) > > Tobias. Indeed! Thanks for the good news friends. sklpns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: Generating a list based on custom fields.
Also, startsWith seems to take a string as an input parameter, not an
array.
So...
startsWith(["A"])
Should be...
startsWith("A")
Shouldn't it?
Tobias.
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[tw] Re: Generating a list based on custom fields.
Sorry, didn't pay attention.
startsWith is a string function added by FET to the string prototype.
You can't perform on an array, which is what readBracketedList()
returns. So, do you have to do a readBracketedList to begin with?
What about...
store.getValue(tiddler,"fieldone").startsWith(["A"])
Or simply...
store.getValue(tiddler,"fieldone").indexOf("A")==0
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[tw] Re: Generating a list based on custom fields.
How about some good old...
indexOf('A')==0
?
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[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
Thanks Måns, Always one step ahead. Do you actually have tiddlycerials for breakfast? ;-) Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: Transclusion nomenclature conventions?
I have (at least) two barriers with your request. 1) I can only imaginably understand your naming problem. So, do you have any specific example which you can put up and ask: How in the world would you describe what's going on in this case? ...so that we can go and tag your things with words of our choice and (you) decide (for yourself) which ones seem most suitable? 2) I think conventions as for structure should not be overly stressed outside the core... in other words, they're very much depending on the use-case. If what you're doing evolves into a complex functional system in its own right... then those (terms for) sturctures will surely follow as you just can't do without. However, I am not sure if for such a partial aspect to work out well it requires the whole tiddlyverse to be speaking the same language... that's just doesn't seem to be how languages evolve ...whereas you use words ...and if you find that noone understands your words, though you tried real hard to explain yourself, they're likely to be forgotten quickly or in that other case become tied into the expressive network of whatever language you're dealing with. I, personally, am perfectly fine with using 'transclusion' as a propper verb and noun, such as... *This is a transclusion of A into B. *A is transcluded into B *I am transcluding A into B *B uses transclusion to pull in content from A via an inline script. *I have a multi-level transclusion, which uses methods in (hidden) sections of A to systematically pull different content elements and output an aggregated summary into B *ect... So, again, maybe all that is required for this to be well communicated you just need a basic idea of what those things are that you can do with transclusion... so that you can imagine what someone else is speaking of when talking about such. Setting up meaningful relations via naming and tagging of tiddlers doesn't seem to differ much for pojects involving transclusion as opposed to, say, some general-content-tiddlywiki. Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
Outage POSTED BY SIMON ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2009 Dreamhost is doing some reorganisation of file servers and because the directory containing all tiddlyspot sites is too big for the file system it's being moved to they decided to tar and gzip it. So tiddlyspot is down until further notice. Apologies for the inconvenience. I'm hoping to be able to sort this out tomorrow. (Sunday au time) http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ Regards Måns Mårtensson On 21 Nov., 19:05, Tobias Beer wrote: > Yep, same here... > > http://tbGTD.tiddlyspot.comhttp://tbGTD-deutsch.tiddlyspot.com > > Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
Yep, same here... http://tbGTD.tiddlyspot.com http://tbGTD-deutsch.tiddlyspot.com Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
Same problem here - some of my pages are gone and some are not?? http://twgroup.tiddlyspot.com/ ?? http://twspot.tiddlyspot.com/ ?? Regards Måns Mårtensson On 21 Nov., 13:15, sklpns wrote: > Please help! > I get an Error! 404 Not Found message when trying to access my sites > hosted over at tiddlyspot.com > > Is tiddlyspot down at the moment? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
Ouupp! - Sorry, I now notice I get this message for SOME of my TW's there! Bad omen... On Nov 21, 1:24 pm, Silvio Messias wrote: > I am having the same kind of message till this morning... > > On 21 nov, 10:15, sklpns wrote: > > > Please help! > > I get an Error! 404 Not Found message when trying to access my sites > > hosted over at tiddlyspot.com > > > Is tiddlyspot down at the moment? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
Getting this message too. On Nov 21, 1:24 pm, Silvio Messias wrote: > I am having the same kind of message till this morning... > > On 21 nov, 10:15, sklpns wrote: > > > Please help! > > I get an Error! 404 Not Found message when trying to access my sites > > hosted over at tiddlyspot.com > > > Is tiddlyspot down at the moment? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: Transclusion nomenclature conventions?
On Nov 21, 10:43 pm, Tobias Beer wrote: > Hi Morris, > > 'El transcluder' ...giggles. This depends on the the finesse of El Transcluder and the attitude of La Transcludee ;-) In this rather vague description below of which I have transdelivered (it is certainly not transquotation as described below) is not very enlightening. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transclusion "Nelson defines transclusion as "the same content knowably in more than one place", setting it apart from more special cases such as the inclusion of content stored in a different location (which he calls "transdelivery") or "explicit quotation which remains connected to its origins" (which he calls "transquotation"). I am only talking about client-side. The methods I have been using requires better definition. By using a script to manipulate information from possibly several different places, drawing with it things such as tiddler titles, tiddler tags, and the tiddler content itself; then manipulating and enhancing it in some way, then delivering it to another tiddler which in turn becomes another function altogether requires some naming convention for the component parts. > ...unless you wanted to build some > transclusion-functions-library-or-framework around the concept of it, > e.g. some tiddler named MyTransclusionCollection I think that's what I'm getting at. I have constructed such a library in an ad hoc way and now I'd like to give it structure. What I described above could probably be called 'mashup'; but that's rather too common, or the people who use it may be anyhow :-) I would like these names to have dignity. Perhaps I could call it jClusion. As one day it may have to be considerd for inclusion (no pun intended) in the core. I'm thinking transclusion is the end result, something that directs the action the 'transcluder' and the result as the 'transcluded' Trans... as a prefix is rich with a multitude of options so one shouldn't become too transfixed with it lest we transform this exercise into a 'misclusion' which I am thinking I will make it a reserved word for trancluded errors. I think I'll work on it, any suggestions or contributions are welcome... Morris On Nov 21, 10:43 pm, Tobias Beer wrote: > Hi Morris, > > 'El transcluder' ...giggles. > > To the topic... I am not sure that there is a need for any special > conventions of sorts... other than the most basic idea of what > transclusion is or does ...unless you wanted to build some > transclusion-functions-library-or-framework around the concept of it, > e.g. some tiddler named MyTransclusionCollection containing... > !getA > < !!doBeee > < !someHTML > foo > !standardOut > $1$2$3$4$5$6$7$8$9 > !someInlineScript > can't do it in google groups ;-) > !etc > pp > > So, I think, this is rather a matter of taste and whatever it is that > you want to achieve with transclusion. In other words, I don't see > some special need of specification other than explaining in the __most > basic__ terms what transclusion is. So maybe it's less of an exercise > to hard-wire the idea of it, but instead to list all of what you > possibly can do with it... like in the examples above. > > As for meaningful abstractions of codebits into standardized chunks... > that's not just an issue with transclusion, but - I guess - rather > your everyday struggle of what goes into where and possibly into what > is called 'the core'. > > Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
I am having the same kind of message till this morning... On 21 nov, 10:15, sklpns wrote: > Please help! > I get an Error! 404 Not Found message when trying to access my sites > hosted over at tiddlyspot.com > > Is tiddlyspot down at the moment? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: is tiddlyspot down?
Seems to be working for me. Ken Girard On Nov 21, 6:15 am, sklpns wrote: > Please help! > I get an Error! 404 Not Found message when trying to access my sites > hosted over at tiddlyspot.com > > Is tiddlyspot down at the moment? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] is tiddlyspot down?
Please help! I get an Error! 404 Not Found message when trying to access my sites hosted over at tiddlyspot.com Is tiddlyspot down at the moment? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
[tw] Re: Transclusion nomenclature conventions?
Hi Morris, 'El transcluder' ...giggles. To the topic... I am not sure that there is a need for any special conventions of sorts... other than the most basic idea of what transclusion is or does ...unless you wanted to build some transclusion-functions-library-or-framework around the concept of it, e.g. some tiddler named MyTransclusionCollection containing... !getA
[tw] Re: hijacking - question
Hi again RA,
So, here's maybe the missing link between your question and my
previous reply...
1) For a "proper" hijack you always start with storing the original
function...
if (Story.prototype.someCoreFunction_myBackupOf==undefined)
Story.prototype.someCoreFunction_myBackupOf
=Story.prototype.someCoreFunction;
2) Overwriting the original, your function is then declared based on
the previous functions premises, possibly customized to what you
actually need...
Story.prototype.someCoreFunction = function(my,args) {
//...
3) However, somewhere in the code of your replacemet - preferably at
the very end - you are to call the original function, otherwise you're
not quite hijacking, but rather merely overwriting the original...
this.someCoreFunction_myBackupOf.apply(this,arguments);
Note the __apply(this,arguments)__ part, shoving over all of what you
possibly ignored. There you go, another how-to-properly hijack in 5
Minutes plus some more...
As for me, this - and what I mentioned before, and also object
literals, array shorthands, functions as firstclass objects, etc... -
is the kind of stuff where javascript slowly but profoundly starts
making you feel that it's not just some cheap-ass browser scripting
engine, but rather in the realm of the more powerful tools for
expressing yourself in code around today ...lean and mean ;-)
Tobias.
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[tw] Transclusion nomenclature conventions?
I was wondering what the convention for naming various components that could be used in transclusions. 1:You can have a script that does something. For instance it could be used search for tagged tiddlers and return a list of those tiddlers. It could be named GetTaggedTiddlers 2:In another tiddler possibly named ListMyTaggedTiddlers could be invoked by <> 3:Say you then had another script that used that list of tiddlers to create a tiddler say, named MyBracketedList creating a hard coded list of links for use with .readBracketedList() The above is just off the top of my head it could get more complicated and of course the scripts could all be in one tiddler under section headings and some functions combined but I thought they should all have names if standing alone. Transclusion can be both a verb and a noun. So should we have names like transclusion-script, transcluded, transcluder and even transcludee (or even transcludette or El transcluder or La transcludee for languages that use gender for such things:-) All kidding aside it does become a problem when trying to write instructions and explanations. Eric combines author information (info), usage, variables and as sections tiddler to display all of this information and tags it transclusion. However they could all be separate needing names and/or consolidated to various degrees to make many nameless hybrids Should we develop some convention before a defacto comes into being? For note, template, macro, extension, plugin, tweak etc. While some of us know the loosely agreed conventions many are used interchangeably or completely wrong. Morris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=.
