[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-20 Thread rakugo
Yakov - the timeline macro already has this functionality. The same
was done for the allTags plugin but this has not yet been folded into
the alpha - the groupBy macro provided in TiddlySpace by the
GroupByPlugin [1] allows you to group by things other than tags -
fields and attributes. It probably needs a bit of attention and
feedback on usage of the list/timeline macros before being considered
for the core though.

Trey -  as Yakov points out pretty much anything can go into a
template - to display a field bar you can run view bar text or
view bar link or view bar wikified depending on what the field
contains. As Eric quite rightly points out alphas are a field review
and a great time to say things like this is wrong, why doesn't it
do this etc. It also speeds up the process as it increases demand for
a new release.

Apologies, for the confusion I caused. Essentially I was recommending
using the alpha, as the list macro was rewritten with the purpose of
supporting this kind of thing and allowing more freedom to customise.
I've done some refactoring of the code now, and basically with the
latest alpha all you should need is:
https://raw.github.com/jdlrobson/TiddlyWikiPlugins/master/plugins/Filters/StoryFiltersPlugin.js

Note the syntax has now changed and you should use the filters
[story[open]] and [story[sort]] to get the list.
list filter [story[open]][story[sort]] template:TemplateOpen
should be all you need to generate the correct list of tiddlers.
The template at http://frankenstein-plugins.tiddlyspace.com/#TemplateOpen
should give you some ideas on how to format you tiddler.

On the subject, Eric, I completely understand your concerns - it would
be great if this conversation - and the one regarding tiddler macro -
could be started on the TiddlyWikiDev group. In my opinion you should
be able to mix the two but I have slightly differing views on the
how...

Enjoy!

[1] http://tiddlyspace.com/bags/system-plugins_public/tiddlers/GroupByPlugin


Hi Trey

On Jun 20, 2:07 am, Trey ionobr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jon- I actually just noticed that your implementation sorts open
 titles alphabetically.  Is there a way to make it simply append newly
 opened titles, or somehow more closely reflect the real organization
 of the page?  Based on what I know about TW list-sorting options, that
 sounds kind of intractable with your method.

 I already have the Ambit code working, except for this problem where
 it messes up all my links.  This discussion here has gone in other
 directions so I am going to post a new topic - anyone please check it
 out and help me fix Ambit for non-tiddlyspace use if you've got the
 know-how.

 Trey

 On Jun 19, 7:27 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:







  On Jun 19, 9:42 pm, Eric Shulman elsdes...@gmail.com wrote: What I would 
  like is for TWO new parameters, template:TiddlerName,
   would apply the TWCore standard template processing to render output
   from HTML, while format:TiddlerName, could apply wikify() processing
   to render output from wiki syntax.

  I think this would be a good issue at TW github [1], if you could
  decide to jump in there :)

   This would provide a more complete solution, enabling use of the
   TWCore's HTML template syntax as an alternative when wiki-syntax
   formatting falls short, or when you just want to re-use existing
   custom templates that already format the tiddler output as desired.

   Your thoughts?

  +1

  -m
  [1]https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/issues

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[tw] Re: AMBIT YouAreReading refactor

2011-06-20 Thread rakugo
Trey,
I believe the YouAreReadingWidgetPlugin overrides links so that when
tiddlers are opened they open in the widget rather than the story - a
bit like a queue of things to read.
I think this is intentional behaviour and not a bug.

Best wishes
Jon

On Jun 20, 2:20 am, Trey ionobr...@gmail.com wrote:
 TWgroup,
 I posted the topic List of Open Tiddlers which has gone off in a new
 direction.  As has my search.  I'd like to use the YouAreReadingWidget
 plugin from the AMBIT tiddlywiki:

 http://ambit-theme.tiddlyspace.com/#YouAreReadingWidgetPlugin

 you can see it on the right.  It works well, except for a seemingly
 small problem; when I enable the plugin, any link inside the view
 text wikified macro stops working!  They are still displayed as
 links, but clicking them does nothing.  Links elsewhere in the TW seem
 to work fine.

 I have upgraded my wiki and tried disabling all other plugins.  No
 result - thus I assume this to be a problem with using a tiddlyspace
 plugin in a tiddlywiki.

 My kung fu isn't strong enough to figure out what's going on.  However
 there is a comment in the plugin about some code that doesn't make
 sense, that might be a lead.  Any help?  Always greatly appreciated.

 Trey

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[tw] Re: CheckBoxPlugin two boxes √ if fieldvalue=true and √ if fieldvalue=false

2011-06-20 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Måns,

If it's non-critical to use two seperate columns, I would go with
merging those adjecent cells (for the time being) via || ...
otherwise, I guess, what you're asking is for Eric to implement a kind
of inverted mode for CheckBoxPlugin.

Cheers, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: List of Open Tidders

2011-06-20 Thread Trey
Jon,
Thanks for your work!  I will try it out tonight.
Trey

On Jun 20, 3:42 am, rakugo jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yakov - the timeline macro already has this functionality. The same
 was done for the allTags plugin but this has not yet been folded into
 the alpha - the groupBy macro provided in TiddlySpace by the
 GroupByPlugin [1] allows you to group by things other than tags -
 fields and attributes. It probably needs a bit of attention and
 feedback on usage of the list/timeline macros before being considered
 for the core though.

 Trey -  as Yakov points out pretty much anything can go into a
 template - to display a field bar you can run view bar text or
 view bar link or view bar wikified depending on what the field
 contains. As Eric quite rightly points out alphas are a field review
 and a great time to say things like this is wrong, why doesn't it
 do this etc. It also speeds up the process as it increases demand for
 a new release.

 Apologies, for the confusion I caused. Essentially I was recommending
 using the alpha, as the list macro was rewritten with the purpose of
 supporting this kind of thing and allowing more freedom to customise.
 I've done some refactoring of the code now, and basically with the
 latest alpha all you should need 
 is:https://raw.github.com/jdlrobson/TiddlyWikiPlugins/master/plugins/Fil...

 Note the syntax has now changed and you should use the filters
 [story[open]] and [story[sort]] to get the list.
 list filter [story[open]][story[sort]] template:TemplateOpen
 should be all you need to generate the correct list of tiddlers.
 The template athttp://frankenstein-plugins.tiddlyspace.com/#TemplateOpen
 should give you some ideas on how to format you tiddler.

 On the subject, Eric, I completely understand your concerns - it would
 be great if this conversation - and the one regarding tiddler macro -
 could be started on the TiddlyWikiDev group. In my opinion you should
 be able to mix the two but I have slightly differing views on the
 how...

 Enjoy!

 [1]http://tiddlyspace.com/bags/system-plugins_public/tiddlers/GroupByPlugin

 Hi Trey

 On Jun 20, 2:07 am, Trey ionobr...@gmail.com wrote:

  Jon- I actually just noticed that your implementation sorts open
  titles alphabetically.  Is there a way to make it simply append newly
  opened titles, or somehow more closely reflect the real organization
  of the page?  Based on what I know about TW list-sorting options, that
  sounds kind of intractable with your method.

  I already have the Ambit code working, except for this problem where
  it messes up all my links.  This discussion here has gone in other
  directions so I am going to post a new topic - anyone please check it
  out and help me fix Ambit for non-tiddlyspace use if you've got the
  know-how.

  Trey

  On Jun 19, 7:27 pm, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:

   On Jun 19, 9:42 pm, Eric Shulman elsdes...@gmail.com wrote: What I 
   would like is for TWO new parameters, template:TiddlerName,
would apply the TWCore standard template processing to render output
from HTML, while format:TiddlerName, could apply wikify() processing
to render output from wiki syntax.

   I think this would be a good issue at TW github [1], if you could
   decide to jump in there :)

This would provide a more complete solution, enabling use of the
TWCore's HTML template syntax as an alternative when wiki-syntax
formatting falls short, or when you just want to re-use existing
custom templates that already format the tiddler output as desired.

Your thoughts?

   +1

   -m
   [1]https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/issues



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[tw] Re: CheckBoxPlugin two boxes √ if fieldvalue=true and √ if fieldvalue=false

2011-06-20 Thread Julian Knight
Really it would be better for it to display RADIO buttons rather than a pair 
of checkboxes as this would be the expected user interface. Two checkboxes 
mutually exclusive would be confusing to many users.

What I'd like to see is a generic INPUT macro that could handle ANY input 
type ;)
If it had the ability to tie the input to custom FIELDs (and preferably the 
tag list, maybe the title as well, even the body!) we would have a generic 
form interface for TW. I did start to work on this a while back but quickly 
ran out of time before I got very far.


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[tw] Re: shared pool of tags for multiple TWs

2011-06-20 Thread Julian Knight
I think you may be trying to push TW a little too far, it is really meant to 
be a straight-forward information management tool  trying to get it to 
kludge multiple taxonomies is rather a stretch.

If you could cope with an online tool rather than offline, Wordpress might 
be a better fit.

Otherwise, maybe pressing a custom field into use as an alternative taxonomy 
would be better?

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[tw] Tiddler titles are numbers: how to list them in number order?

2011-06-20 Thread Alex Hough
Hello All,

My tidlers are numbered thus: 1,2,3,4,5,6 … 10 11

Listing them results in this
1
10
11
2
3
…

I'd like them to be listed
1
2
3
4

I've tried this before: Converting string to numbers, but I didn't get
very far and abandoned it.


Alex

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[tw] Re: Tiddler titles are numbers: how to list them in number order?

2011-06-20 Thread rakugo
The sort mechanism treats them as strings.
The easy way is to name them
01, 02 ... 99

The other way is to use:
http://filters.tiddlyspace.com/#NumberSortFilterPlugin

This defines a new filter for the latest released version of
TiddlyWiki that allows you to sort treating fields as numbers.

You should thus be able to do
list filter [tag[foo]][numbersort[title]]

Enjoy
Jon

On Jun 20, 2:23 pm, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 My tidlers are numbered thus: 1,2,3,4,5,6 … 10 11

 Listing them results in this
 1
 10
 11
 2
 3
 …

 I'd like them to be listed
 1
 2
 3
 4

 I've tried this before: Converting string to numbers, but I didn't get
 very far and abandoned it.

 Alex

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[tw] Re: shared pool of tags for multiple TWs

2011-06-20 Thread Julian Knight
Tag hierarchies are FAR from obvious in TW ;) Many have a google for 
tagglytagging - it may take a while to get the concepts straight in your 
head!

Sorry, what normal sync process? And define too much - every once in a 
while I refactor say 30% of the hierarchy, and I want all the child TW's 
to reflect the new structure of the master without having to manually keep 
them in sync as I'm doing now.

You can import any tiddler from another TW file. That would include a 
tiddler that had the name of a tag you wanted. For example, if one of your 
tags was MyTag1, create a TW file containing a new tiddler, name the 
tiddler MyTag1 and give it a tag of MyTag1. Now create a new TW file, go 
to the Backstage and choose Import. Point the import at your first TW 
file and press the Open button, you will get a list of the tiddlers in that 
file, choose MyTag1. At the bottom of the import tiddler list, you will 
see an option checkbox called Keep these tiddlers linked to this server so 
that you can synchronise subsequent changes this is ticked by default. OK 
so save the new TW file and go back to the original file, change the 
NewTag1 tiddler and give it a description. Switch back to the new file, go 
to Backstage again and choose Sync. This is the normal sync process I 
mentioned. You should see the NewTag1 tiddler marked as updated so resync 
and the descriptive text should appear in your new TW file.

Having said all that, I don't think this will work for you as you are 
regularly reworking the hierarchy - you'd have to manually delete the old 
hierarchy from the child TW files.

 For future googlers - http://tiddlytools.com/#ExternalTiddlersPluginInfo 

Yep, you got it ;) Never can keep all these plugins straight myself! And 
Eric is far too productive for me to remember all his plugins let alone 
everyone else's as well!

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[tw] Re: iPad and video Woes

2011-06-20 Thread Julian Knight
Hi Alex,

Are you using TWEdit/TWmobile? If so, there is a separate group for that
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twmobileapp

There seems to only be one video in the test file you reference. Does the 
linked video there change regularly?

I'll give it a test myself if I get a chance but one thing to try would be 
to use a copy of Chris's help TW file from TWedit as the basis for your 
file.


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[tw] Re: CheckBoxPlugin two boxes √ if fieldvalue=true and √ if fieldvalue=false

2011-06-20 Thread Måns
Hi Tobias

I guess, what you're asking is for Eric to implement a kind of inverted mode 
for CheckBoxPlugin.

Yes. I believe you are right.
I solved the problem by using tags instead of fields.
Eric's CheckboxToggleTag transclusion did the trick:

|To be continued |Yes tiddler CheckboxToggleTag with:active done|
No tiddler CheckboxToggleTag with:done active |

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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Re: [tw] Re: Tiddler titles are numbers: how to list them in number order?

2011-06-20 Thread Alex Hough
Thanks Jon,

It works.I am curious to learn how.

Here is a question:

Is 'match' a TW function?
And is [3] corresponding to title?

Alex

On 20 June 2011 14:33, rakugo jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
 The sort mechanism treats them as strings.
 The easy way is to name them
 01, 02 ... 99

 The other way is to use:
 http://filters.tiddlyspace.com/#NumberSortFilterPlugin

 This defines a new filter for the latest released version of
 TiddlyWiki that allows you to sort treating fields as numbers.

 You should thus be able to do
 list filter [tag[foo]][numbersort[title]]

 Enjoy
 Jon

 On Jun 20, 2:23 pm, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 My tidlers are numbered thus: 1,2,3,4,5,6 … 10 11

 Listing them results in this
 1
 10
 11
 2
 3
 …

 I'd like them to be listed
 1
 2
 3
 4

 I've tried this before: Converting string to numbers, but I didn't get
 very far and abandoned it.

 Alex

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Re: [tw] Re: iPad and video Woes

2011-06-20 Thread Alex Hough
Hi Julian,

I am not using TW edit at the moment. I'm borrowing the iPad, not
quite ready to spend my friend's itunes credit.
I'll try try suggestions.

I've also noticed the same behaviour on on tiddly space

Alex

On 20 June 2011 14:41, Julian Knight jk.goo...@knightnet.org.uk wrote:
 Hi Alex,

 Are you using TWEdit/TWmobile? If so, there is a separate group for that
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/twmobileappJuli

 There seems to only be one video in the test file you reference. Does the
 linked video there change regularly?

 I'll give it a test myself if I get a chance but one thing to try would be
 to use a copy of Chris's help TW file from TWedit as the basis for your
 file.


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[tw] Re: Tiddler titles are numbers: how to list them in number order?

2011-06-20 Thread rakugo
Hi Alex
The codes rather simple, I'll try to walk you through it.

All the TiddlyWiki filter handlers are stored in config.filters

In a filter [foo[bar]] the name of the filter handler is given by
foo
thus the handler would be located in the javascript variable
config.filters.foo

The handler gets two arguments - the tiddlers collected so far, being
the first and the second an array which is the result of a regular
expression match.
In the second argument, in the array, match[3] will always give you
bar (the value inside the square brackets)

Thus [tag[foo]][numbersort[title]] gets everything tagged foo
config.filters.numbersort gets passed the list of everything tagged
foo as the first argument and an array as the second, where title is
the value of match[3].
Then it just does a simple sort on this field.

Hope that helps! :)
On Jun 20, 2:57 pm, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Jon,

 It works.I am curious to learn how.

 Here is a question:

 Is 'match' a TW function?
 And is [3] corresponding to title?

 Alex

 On 20 June 2011 14:33, rakugo jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:







  The sort mechanism treats them as strings.
  The easy way is to name them
  01, 02 ... 99

  The other way is to use:
 http://filters.tiddlyspace.com/#NumberSortFilterPlugin

  This defines a new filter for the latest released version of
  TiddlyWiki that allows you to sort treating fields as numbers.

  You should thus be able to do
  list filter [tag[foo]][numbersort[title]]

  Enjoy
  Jon

  On Jun 20, 2:23 pm, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello All,

  My tidlers are numbered thus: 1,2,3,4,5,6 … 10 11

  Listing them results in this
  1
  10
  11
  2
  3
  …

  I'd like them to be listed
  1
  2
  3
  4

  I've tried this before: Converting string to numbers, but I didn't get
  very far and abandoned it.

  Alex

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[tw] Re: CheckBoxPlugin two boxes √ if fieldvalue=true and √ if fieldvalue=false

2011-06-20 Thread rakugo
On Jun 20, 2:12 pm, Julian Knight jk.goo...@knightnet.org.uk wrote:
 Really it would be better for it to display RADIO buttons rather than a pair
 of checkboxes as this would be the expected user interface. Two checkboxes
 mutually exclusive would be confusing to many users.


I was about to say exactly this...
Jon

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[tw] Re: CheckBoxPlugin two boxes √ if fieldvalue=true and √ if fieldvalue=false

2011-06-20 Thread Måns
Hi Julian and Jon

 What I'd like to see is a generic INPUT macro that could handle ANY input
 type ;)
 If it had the ability to tie the input to custom FIELDs (and preferably the
 tag list, maybe the title as well, even the body!) we would have a generic
 form interface for

+1

I believe Alex Hough did sth with radiobuttons in his OMMs project...
Maybe they were toggling tags??
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1316865/AlexHough/SCiO/OMM.Sept2010/ommDirector.html

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] Re: Tiddler titles are numbers: how to list them in number order?

2011-06-20 Thread PMario
If you also have tiddlers like

1 some text
200 some text
1.1 some text
3
4
4.111.3
4.111.02
...

A little bit more voodoo [1] is needed.

have fun!
[1] http://apm-plugins.tiddlyspot.com/#NumberedTextListPlugin


On Jun 20, 3:23 pm, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 My tidlers are numbered thus: 1,2,3,4,5,6 … 10 11

 Listing them results in this
 1
 10
 11
 2
 3
 …

 I'd like them to be listed
 1
 2
 3
 4

 I've tried this before: Converting string to numbers, but I didn't get
 very far and abandoned it.

 Alex

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