[tw] Re: Error Upgrading Tiddly Wiki from Version 2.2.6
I tried it again using that bookmarklet, and this time it worked. Not sure what made the difference, but thanks! On Nov 12, 5:33 am, wolfgang wrote: > > 2011/11/12 James F > > > That did not help. Assuming I used it correctly, I added the plugin to > > my new Tiddly Wiki, tried to import the old file, and got another > > error: > > > Opening C:\fakepath\guardianwiki.html > > > Could not open C:\Users\jfletcher\Dropbox\Personal Writings\Guardian > > Saga Writings\Guardian Saga Wiki\C:\fakepath\guardianwiki.html - > > error=(filesystem error) > > Whenever an answer didn't help it isn't a good idea to let it be known > to the responder to the question only via PM. Since others here, who > could come up with another solutions wouldn't know the answer isn't > already answered. > . > > When you say you 'added the plugin' do you mean you installed the > ImportTiddlerPlugin (ie. tagged it systemConfig and reloaded the TW)? > - or did you use the 'ImportTiddlersPlugin' bookmarklet the way I > advised? > > - Because in the later case you wouldn't have to add anything to your > TW! Just click the bookmarklet in your browser bookmark bar, which > opens the more complex import dialog of ImportTiddlersPlugin in the > display area. This works without installation, but for only the > current session. As soon as you reload your TW and need it again you > would again have to apply the bookmarklet from the browser bar again. > > Bookmarklets, though loading a plugin from a remote location only for > the current session without the need to reload the TW for it to > function (other then installed plugins which need a reload), have the > advantage that you don't need install some of the larger plugins which > aren't very often needed and only unnecessarily would bloat a > particular TW. > > Of course, to the same end you could just install the plugin itself > and delete it after you accomplished whatever you needed it for. For > installation you would have to copy below linked to tiddler in 'edit > mode' and paste it to your TW. Give it the same title and at least a > 'systemConfig' tag. Then click 'done' and reload your TW. Now it would > be permanently 'installed': > > http://www.tiddlytools.com/#ImportTiddlersPlugin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] TiddlyWeb and Macros
Hi - I had a question put to me recently about TiddlyWeb and whether you can use standard TiddlyWiki Macros as part of TiddlyWeb Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm struggling to find an answer without delving into the depths of TiddlyWeb. On another point - is this being actively developed? I notice here - https://github.com/tiddlyweb There seems to be some activity but it's difficult to tell whether this is the main repo for this. Any pointers on where I might look for a bit more background to TiddlyWeb and who would be the core maintainer? Thanks Simon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] 2.6.5 if(useJavaSaver) bug in Opera and Safari
Tiddlywiki 2.6.5 introduces a bug that affects Opera and Safari users: Saving changes works, but only until the first time the browser is refreshed. After that, the user will only get the warning: "It's not possible to save changes. Possible reasons include: - your browser doesn't support saving (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari and Opera all work if properly configured) - the pathname to your TiddlyWiki file contains illegal characters - the TiddlyWiki HTML file has been moved or renamed" The cause of this bug is at line 10144 of the source code for 2.6.5: "" has been placed before the "if(useJavaSaver)" script instead of after it (where it was in tw 2.6.4, which worked in Opera and Safari), so the entire "if(useJavaSaver)" script gets overwritten after the first save by whatever is in MarkupPostBody, which in a default tiddlywiki is nothing. A temporary workaround is to open the tiddlywiki in Firefox and create a tiddler with the title MarkupPostBody and place the following script in the tiddler's body: //"); //]]> After saving the MarkupPostBody tiddler, the tiddlywiki can once again be saved in Opera of Safari. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Overly enthusiastic editing warning, and self-determining scroll bars...
Good suggestion - my current workplace is a little more relaxed in that regard and I was able to download Portable Firefox. All the issues disappeared. On Nov 12, 11:38 pm, wolfgang wrote: > > It does seem XP and IE8 don't like Tiddlywiki, though. Shame, as I > > use it as my documentation and to do list at work. > > I know some who download PortableFirefox, which doesn't needs to be > installed, everyday anew to their working place with IE only. Don't > know if this would be possible for you too? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Request: Extend templating to support use of tiddler macro and substitution marker or just adding a suffix to the title
The other way around would also be very practical ie.: [[SomeTiddlerTitle]] <> <> <> <> <> <> <>/% !template <> <> !end %/ Cheers On 13 Nov., 17:54, Måns wrote: > Hi TwWizards > > Now we can the viewmacro for templating [1][2]: > [[SomeTiddlerTitle]] > < emptyMessage:"No tiddlers are tagged with SomeTag">>/% > !template > *<> > <> > **summary: <> > **nonexisting results in: <> > <> > !end %/ > > I'd like to be able to use the tiddlermacro and substitution markers > as well: > > !template > <> > <> > !show > [[$-suffix]] > !end > > Would it be a violation of the security policy (TiddlyWeb & > TiddlySpace) - making evaluated parameters work in this context? > > Could I do what I want with the view - or view sth wikified macro?? > Sth like <> ??? .. (I've tried that - to no > avail...) > > Cheers Måns Mårtensson > > [1]http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/changeset/12737 > [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/bcd1e1... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011, Yakov wrote: A step back, though: I'd like to point that as tiddlywiki.org has migrated (and unfortunately not fully migrated) to [2], one thing got worse for sure: when one meets a MediaWiki page, he or she knows at once that he *can* contribute. The TiddlySpace version needs big link "how to contribute" to make this clear. But anyway, this rapid migration haven't solved the main problem: the need of fundamental text, not a pile of notes on different common things about TW. For the sake of history: The hope, apparently not entirely well-founded, was that starting the migration would get the ball rolling and the community at large would do the rest. This didn't happen. A small number of people helped to migrate additional content beyond what I started. Very small number, relative to the number of people reading this group. To me that was evidence that the information was not considered relevant by the community. That's perhaps harsh, but that's how it looked and it makes future efforts to improve the situation harder to get off the ground. I agree that adding a big "you can edit this!" and "how to contribute" would be excellent. -- Chris Dent http://burningchrome.com/ [...] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]
> As for now, I can show a "table of contents" of my current > "documentation" (note, though, that the text is not fully linear): Your table of content is just one example how subforums could be structured. The only real work that would have to be done is extracting Google's TW threads and assign them to their fitting subforum. Thereby most of it's content would already be there. And you could greatly improve it by adding your material. Personally, though a heavy user, wouldn't be able to write extensive Documentation. Where I willingly would give a hand could be taking part in placing the threads in their proper subforum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]
Suggestion: a book called something like "The TiddlyWiki Way?" , or "the Tao of TiddlyWiki" Inspiration: Tinderbox [1] software developed by Marc Bernstein is supported by a book called the Tinderbox Way. Content : general principals and design choices, key moments in history of development and why I like TW ;chapters authored by different people, interviews. I remember reading on this list that Jeremy is a seasoned author: there was photographic evidence of a book found in a second hand store, at a seaside town... somewhere like Lynmouth if memory serves. I can't find it on the internet. It don't know if dreamed this -- or i saw such a book myself Wait!!! its on Amazon -- "PASCAL with Your Basic Micro" - £12.20 [2] Alex [1] http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/TinderboxWay.html [2] http://www.amazon.co.uk/PASCAL-Basic-Micro-Jeremy-Rushton/dp/0672220369/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321219955&sr=1-2 On 13 November 2011 19:26, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Richard Niolon wrote: >> >> I can only add a small amount to this discussion. >> 1) Tiddlywiki is in my mind the best software I've ever used. Thanks >> Eric and Jeremy! >> 2) Tiddlywiki and google groups is great for the geeky amongst us... >> but there are a whole lot of non-geeky people out there. >> >> Aye, there's the rub. >> >> There's a whole lot of non-geeky people who won't use a tiddlywiki >> because it doesn't seem user friendly. > > Well... it's also not all that developer friendly. And THAT's the rub. > > We just went through a technology evaluation process for building a > single-page application. > > Now I really like Tiddly (except it's basic interface - for what we're doing > outline format, with click to expand/contract sections/subsections would be > a lot more useful) - but I sure as heck can't figure out how all the pieces > fit together to write a different UI on top of the common internals. > > And... pretty much everybody else on my team takes one look at Tiddly and > throws up their hands. > > I expect we're going to go off and write our own framework for single-page > applications - because it sure looks a lot easier than buliding on Tiddly. > That's sort of a shame. > > Miles Fidelman > > > -- > In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. > In practice, there is. Yogi Berra > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]
PS Eric, the Pledgie system [1] has a button which indicates the donated amount (the thing Mans asked about). Pledgie works directly with PayPal, so if you think such a button is appropriate, you can try it. It has some tax, though (3% as I can recall). [1] http://pledgie.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]
It's really embarrassing to post here.. Eric's problem is the community's problem, but there's no reason to discuss all the community's problems here.. Eric, I'll try to fight all the banking issues and establish constant donation asap. But as this thread is that involved, it seems to be the best to go on here. This is rather strange to hear that TW is dieing (sorry, idk how this spells correctly). Eric's situation is a problem to solve, but not a reason to panic. However, this showed that the lack of documentation (here I mean "text that new user or a user which has a common question should read") is of great importance for community and the lack of it depresses many people. I understood this hindrance right when I found TW (I needed a way to write hypertext terribly and was seeking for mechanisms of interaction of web techs with file system, but found an established solution which had.. scattered documentation), so I decided that the only way to mantain hypertext properly was to write my own "documentation" within a TW instance. Now I really can't understand how other people fight the complexity of TW without such notes/"documentation", but it seems that -- quite problematically. Here, we've heard two main ideas about the documentation in the first sense -- or I'd call that "knowledge inheritance": * mantain consistent documentation * create a forum and some other infrastructure which would allow to contribute easily As for the second one, I can't say much as I've never seen a well- organized forum about such a complex thing like TW. But I would be careful and rather sceptical about the word "automatically" in the worfgang's post, as TW is about hypertext which is quite complex by its own, and TW is even more complex. I mean old-fashioned tree-like forums don't seem to be the way to go (in my "documentation" of TW transclusion is used here and there and convergion of different tree branches would likely make mess). But let it be, I'm not that confident in this matter. As for documentation in usual sense.. > A really centralized, comprehensive and easy to navigate 'How to manual' for > TiddlyWiki will very unlikely ever materialize I'd say yes and no. Yes -- meaning there's no way to create a comprehensive 'How to manual' -- because TW itself has it's own markup, styling system, data structures and macros, navigation, workflow issues and more and with such a massive of technologues "How to" is not a way to go. In my opinion, basic documentation can be only sort of reference book -- more strict, with high density of information. And not addresed to new users. Then, some howtos, can be "attached" (some already exist, like [1] or others) after that -- they should be small, simple, creative and probably rewritten from time to time. Because these are the most difficult and perhaps intimate questions -- what is TW and why one would benefit of it. In my feeling, TiddlyWiki is a framework for mind which endures with web and evolves with the community. However, this wouldn't be sufficient for a person which is not familiar with TW. Now my "no" to the citation is because I see the possibility that I turn my "documentation" written in russian for myself into a public documentation, but here are some serious issues: 1. I can't start publishing before I establish a "CMS" within a tw- document which would allow to write different "versions" of tiddler (short and with comments for personal use, public content in English and perhaps public content in Russian). This is essential because if I start to write a separate TiddlyWiki for documentation, it will sooner or later will slide apart from my main document in the logic of narration and after that texts will inevitably turn into a mess. This is what I faced many times with other texts; I call this a "split". I'm working on this system (basically it should do quite the same thing as multilanguage support), but do this quite slowly and in current circumstances it seems to be unacceptable. 2. I have no idea of how to turn such a thing into a contributable one besides making a blog where I can post announcements of updates and make preview of new chapters for preliminary discussion and clarifying some questions. 3. Such a documentation will reflect subjective intersts anyway and may make conflicts with developers' philosophy. On the other hand, if someone establishes an "infrastructure" for contributable documentation, I can provide material for each chapter and suggest the structure of the text. Although not everything is written in my document (for instance, descriptions of many macros are just sketches). As for now, I can show a "table of contents" of my current "documentation" (note, though, that the text is not fully linear): * [what is tiddlywiki, what are the unique features etc -- now skipped] * application notes (what for I use TW or think of using or am going to use) * working withing TW: ** syntax/markup and user-defined DOM ** styling ** user data str
[tw] Re: Split command in QuickEdit does not totally work...
Thanks Wolfgang Being lazy, I will wait to see if anyone has a definative answer, but I fear your solution might be the only way to go.. but then I dont think I have changed much from the original NoteStorm. I will download a clean version of that first and see what happens. Cheers, Grant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]
Richard Niolon wrote: I can only add a small amount to this discussion. 1) Tiddlywiki is in my mind the best software I've ever used. Thanks Eric and Jeremy! 2) Tiddlywiki and google groups is great for the geeky amongst us... but there are a whole lot of non-geeky people out there. Aye, there's the rub. There's a whole lot of non-geeky people who won't use a tiddlywiki because it doesn't seem user friendly. Well... it's also not all that developer friendly. And THAT's the rub. We just went through a technology evaluation process for building a single-page application. Now I really like Tiddly (except it's basic interface - for what we're doing outline format, with click to expand/contract sections/subsections would be a lot more useful) - but I sure as heck can't figure out how all the pieces fit together to write a different UI on top of the common internals. And... pretty much everybody else on my team takes one look at Tiddly and throws up their hands. I expect we're going to go off and write our own framework for single-page applications - because it sure looks a lot easier than buliding on Tiddly. That's sort of a shame. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Business Thought [was: Important Message from Eric]
I can only add a small amount to this discussion. 1) Tiddlywiki is in my mind the best software I've ever used. Thanks Eric and Jeremy! 2) Tiddlywiki and google groups is great for the geeky amongst us... but there are a whole lot of non-geeky people out there. Aye, there's the rub. There's a whole lot of non-geeky people who won't use a tiddlywiki because it doesn't seem user friendly. Wait, wait... //I// know it is pretty friendly, but //they// don't know that. They see code and get nervous... they hear you need a "jar" file and get a little more worried... they don't know if they are ready to commit to "importing plugins"... and so they look for OneNote or an iphone app that does whatever they need done for them, and they are quite willing to plunk down a dollar or two for it. I know there's a lot underlying these issues that is beyond our control and just has to be dealt with I think Wolfgang is right that we'll never have a thoroughly comprehensive and complete manual of all things possible with tiddlywiki... //but// 1) We could have a centralized tiddlywiki website - maybe it links out to these other places that already exist, but noobs would know where to start at least... and let me just say as a one-time-clear-geek who is starting to realize the days are numbered regarding how long I can claim membership in the geek club, I have more sympathy for the poor, unwashed, uneducated masses of non-geeks... 2) We could have a "Getting Started" manual for new users that answers questions... what are tiddlers, what are tags, can I save this online, can I access this on my iphone, where do plugins come from (in the age- restricted section :) 3) The site could be oriented around what you can //do// with a tiddlywiki... tracking tasks and bits of information for projects, personal website and blogging, teaching and training, writing... the list doesn't have to be comprehensive, but rather a good starting point. There could even be pre-configured tiddlywikis for some of these, or walkthroughs of how to customize a tiddlywiki to do one thing or another better, or user guides for productively using some of the existing customized tiddlywikis... If your thought is "Wait, that already exists! It's being done over at..." then you've proven my point. Some of the existing work just needs to be framed and explained to draw and keep new users and tiddlywiki fans. Framed and explained... to draw and keep new users... Rich -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Request: Extend templating to support use of tiddler macro and substitution marker or just adding a suffix to the title
Hi TwWizards Now we can the viewmacro for templating [1][2]: [[SomeTiddlerTitle]] <>/% !template *<> <> **summary: <> **nonexisting results in: <> <> !end %/ I'd like to be able to use the tiddlermacro and substitution markers as well: !template <> <> !show [[$-suffix]] !end Would it be a violation of the security policy (TiddlyWeb & TiddlySpace) - making evaluated parameters work in this context? Could I do what I want with the view - or view sth wikified macro?? Sth like <> ??? .. (I've tried that - to no avail...) Cheers Måns Mårtensson [1] http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/changeset/12737 [2] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/bcd1e172ba6483ff/303204d50332a8d2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Displaying MathML equations in a tiddler
> > [9]http://tiddlywiki.canada-east.ca/#PluginMathJax > > Took the google button ;-) > > http://tiddlyspace.com/bags/math-template_public/tiddlers/PluginMathJ... Aha! You found it. Great, when I tried to google, I haven't succeeded. And now I've found at least a sign of the SyntaxHighlightPlugin [1], but I can't recall the name of the third one (somewhat like FunctionExplorerPlugin). Sorry for offtopic, though. Milind, if you have any problems with Plugin: jsMath, see [2] first as some issues are summarized there (if you use Opera or Chrome, see the third post, otherwise look through the thread). [1] http://fsk141.com/tiddlywiki-syntax-highlighter [2] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/f57bf9ce7473f51 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
