[tw] Re: NEW: Customize — your one-stop-shop for all things *tiddly

2013-09-21 Thread Måns
Hi Tobias

This is a great and generous invite to support the TW-community by 
aggregating knowledge about TW:

By the way, that list of stuff that still begs for review is rather long...
 http://customize.tiddlyspace.com/#Review

 There's also loads of stuff that hasn't even been imported, added.
 http://customize.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BStart%20Here!%5D%5Dhttp://customize.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BStart%20Here%21%5D%5D

 I know it can be hard to get going in something you haven't created or 
 fear to break but I guess it's quite straight forward to work with.
 http://customize.tiddlyspace.com/#Contribute


I have put it on my to do lists!
I've been hung up with much, much to much work lately... Hope I will be 
able/find time to contribute with reviews of some of the great plugins on 
the list, however I guess/fear you won't notice any activity from me untill 
(late..) spring 2014.

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

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[tw] TiddlyWiki Hangout #14

2013-09-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston
TiddlyWiki Hangout #14 will be on Tuesday 24th September at 4:00pm BST.
Details here:

https://plus.google.com/events/ctt37p1t59nniqdbj61g9jbpqu0

Please leave a note there (or here) if there's anything you'd particularly
like to see covered,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw] [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread TonG
Hi all,

Looking through the docs of TW5, I couldn't find anything about a 'tabs' 
macro.
The TWc 'tabs' macro is used by me very often to publish information in a 
clear, easy accessible, way. I even mix horizontal and vertical tabs.
Two usecases:
1) My TWc documentation about (Windows) portable software 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkfhrabfnio38za/Portable_software_documentation.html
2) My TWc - written in Dutch - about the history of the district of 
Amsterdam I was born in: 
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/Amsterdam_1822-2009.html

Is there already anything in TW5 like a 'tabs' macro?

Cheers,

Ton

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Re: [tw] TW5: transclude content into a code block

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Joshua,

Tobias, I think you need quotes around your transclusion to make that macro 
 work. It worked for me as Jeremy described when the quotes are included. 
 wikitext-example 
 src:{{foo}}


I entered this...

wikitext-example src:{{Press}}

...below the macro declaration in the *WikiText *tiddler on *@five* and 
what I get isn't what I expected...

{{Press}}

What I expected was the source of the *Press* tiddler in a pre-block.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] TW5: transclude content into a code block

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer


 I entered this...

 wikitext-example src:{{Press}}

 ...below the macro declaration in the *WikiText *tiddler on *@five* and 
 what I get isn't what I expected...

 {{Press}}

 What I expected was the source of the *Press* tiddler in a pre-block.


In fact, all of the following also render the above...

   - wikitext-example src:{{Press}}
   - wikitext-example {{Press}}
   - wikitext-example {{Press}}

- tb

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[tw] Re: NEW: Customize — your one-stop-shop for all things *tiddly

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Måns,
 

 I have put it on my to do lists!
 I've been hung up with much, much to much work lately... Hope I will be 
 able/find time to contribute with reviews of some of the great plugins on 
 the list, however I guess/fear you won't notice any activity from me untill 
 (late..) spring 2014.


No problem. This must not be a strenuous exercise.
I just keep bumping this thread once in a while until some(one) picks up on 
it. :o)

- tobias

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
Înteresting, I have never seen so many nested tabs ;-)

This must sure be a handy tool for you...
http://tiddlywiki.squize.org/#TabEditPlugin

I don't think you should try to use the current low level widget implementation 
for complex collections like yours with $button and $reveal widgets. Better 
wait for full blown macro support and tab macros that work more like those 
you're used to, perhaps even simpler.

Otherwise, have a look at those sidebar shadow tiddlers in tw5 to see how 
it's currenty done... way too complex for your purposes.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread TonG
Hi Tobias,

Thanks for your reply.
I just started to explore TW5. It has many possibilities but at the moment 
it is very 'technical' for an ordinary end user. I hope there will be soon 
some macros.
In the meantime I'am just trying to work with it and see how far I can go.

When you posted your VerticalTabs, way back in 2009, I thought it can be 
useful for me. And it is, as you could see in my second use case ;-).
For sure I am using TabEditPlugin. When 'publishing' my TW I have to switch 
it off (removing the systemConfig tag) otherwise it still opens tiddlers by 
double clicking.

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 4:49:08 PM UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Înteresting, I have never seen so many nested tabs ;-)

 This must sure be a handy tool for you...
 http://tiddlywiki.squize.org/#TabEditPlugin

 I don't think you should try to use the current low level widget 
 implementation 
 for complex collections like yours with $button and $reveal widgets. Better 
 wait for full blown macro support and tab macros that work more like those 
 you're used to, perhaps even simpler.

 Otherwise, have a look at those sidebar shadow tiddlers in tw5 to see how 
 it's currenty done... way too complex for your purposes.

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi TonG,

This must sure be a handy tool for you...
 http://tiddlywiki.squize.org/#TabEditPlugin

 
I have added and reviewed the entry on *@customize* for it...
http://customize.tiddlyspace.com/#TabEditPlugin...

Same for *DropDownMenuPlugin*...
http://customize.tiddlyspace.com/#DropDownMenuPlugin...
..added your wiki as an example, but perhaps it wont be there for long. ;-)

and *DropTaggingMacro*...
http://customize.tiddlyspace.com/#DropTaggingMacro...

Cheers, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Ton,

When you posted your VerticalTabs, way back in 2009, I thought it can be 
 useful for me. And it is, as you could see in my second use case ;-).
 For sure I am using TabEditPlugin. When 'publishing' my TW I have to 
 switch it off (removing the systemConfig tag) otherwise it still opens 
 tiddlers by double clicking.


Nice to hear that you find it useful.

As for double-clicking, I might just fork it and turn editing off by 
default when in readOnly mode. I think the difference between being an 
editor and a viewer has only rarely been considered by plugin authors (that 
includes myself and things like TagSearchPlugin).

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston
There's no tabs macro yet, mainly because macros currently can only have
fixed numbers of arguments.

Best wishes

Jeremy


On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ton,

 When you posted your VerticalTabs, way back in 2009, I thought it can be
 useful for me. And it is, as you could see in my second use case ;-).
 For sure I am using TabEditPlugin. When 'publishing' my TW I have to
 switch it off (removing the systemConfig tag) otherwise it still opens
 tiddlers by double clicking.


 Nice to hear that you find it useful.

 As for double-clicking, I might just fork it and turn editing off by
 default when in readOnly mode. I think the difference between being an
 editor and a viewer has only rarely been considered by plugin authors (that
 includes myself and things like TagSearchPlugin).

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] TW5: transclude content into a code block

2013-09-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias

When I try that on five.tw.com, I get the source text, the rendered HTML
and then the HTML source.

Your example suggests that you were expecting to be able to indirect macro
parameters in the same way that one can element/widget attributes. To be
clear:

* div class={{MyTiddler}} - will assign the value of the tiddler
MyTiddler to the class attribute of the DIV element
* myMacro {{MyTiddler}} - pass {{MyTiddler}} as the macro argument
(not the value of the tiddler)

If you wanted to transclude the source of a tiddler into a code block you'd
need to do something like this:

pre
$view tiddler=HelloThere format=text/
/pre

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:


 I entered this...

 wikitext-example src:{{Press}}

 ...below the macro declaration in the *WikiText *tiddler on *@five* and
 what I get isn't what I expected...

 {{Press}}

 What I expected was the source of the *Press* tiddler in a pre-block.


 In fact, all of the following also render the above...

- wikitext-example src:{{Press}}
- wikitext-example {{Press}}
- wikitext-example {{Press}}

 - tb




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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread TonG
Hi Jeremy,

I'll wait ;-)

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:51:29 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 There's no tabs macro yet, mainly because macros currently can only have 
 fixed numbers of arguments.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy


 On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Tobias Beer beert...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Hi Ton,

 When you posted your VerticalTabs, way back in 2009, I thought it can be 
 useful for me. And it is, as you could see in my second use case ;-).
 For sure I am using TabEditPlugin. When 'publishing' my TW I have to 
 switch it off (removing the systemConfig tag) otherwise it still opens 
 tiddlers by double clicking.


 Nice to hear that you find it useful.

 As for double-clicking, I might just fork it and turn editing off by 
 default when in readOnly mode. I think the difference between being an 
 editor and a viewer has only rarely been considered by plugin authors (that 
 includes myself and things like TagSearchPlugin).

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Re: [tw] TW5: transclude content into a code block

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Jeremy,

When I try that on five.tw.com, I get the source text, the rendered HTML 
 and then the HTML source.


*facepalm* ...yes, of course, I never got beyond the first pre. (blushing) 
:D

pre
 $view tiddler=HelloThere format=text/
 /pre


Thanks, good to know. So that essentially gives the same as...

$$$text/vnd.tiddlywikitext/html
$src$
$$$

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Re: [tw] TW5: transclude content into a code block

2013-09-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston

 When I try that on five.tw.com, I get the source text, the rendered HTML
 and then the HTML source.


 *facepalm* ...yes, of course, I never got beyond the first pre.
 (blushing) :D


Well the formatting doesn't make it particularly clear; I was confused when
I first checked it...


 pre
 $view tiddler=HelloThere format=text/
 /pre


 Thanks, good to know. So that essentially gives the same as...

 $$$text/vnd.tiddlywikitext/html
 $src$
 $$$


That example gives the raw HTML of the rendered version of the source. I
think the above would be equivalent to:

$$$text/vnd.tiddlywikitext/plain
Some text or other
$$$

Confusing times!

Best wishes

Jeremy




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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Jeremy,

There's no tabs macro yet, mainly because macros currently can only have 
 fixed numbers of arguments.
 javascript:


Which would be fine considering how a macro could dissect a single argument 
and turn it into multiple parameters via something like readBracketedList. 
However, 
the macro would need to do some js magic. I think I actually prefer that 
over the old syntax, e.g.:

tabs 
tab1 'tab1 tip' tab1content
tab2 'tab2 tip' tab2content##foo
tab3 'tab3 tip' tab3content!!bar


Although not being able to leverage (hidden) sections complicates things.

On the other hand, I have just created a TiddlySpace for Saq's *
InlineTabsPlugin* as found in Ton's wiki and I think this syntax in the 
form of a *$tabs* widget is actually much more intuitive than any of the 
above.

http://inlinetabs.tiddlyspace.com

Best wishes, Topias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias

Apropos of the inlinetabs example, we have an opportunity to define a
wikitext syntax for tabs, too. For example:

__|Title|__
Some content to go in this tab
__|Title2|__
More content


The other thing I'm concerned with is to make sure that it's easy to create
a set of tabs from a tiddler list. That's how we'll make the sidebar tabs
configurable via drag and drop.

Best wishes

Jeremy




On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 There's no tabs macro yet, mainly because macros currently can only have
 fixed numbers of arguments.


 Which would be fine considering how a macro could dissect a single
 argument and turn it into multiple parameters via something like
 readBracketedList. However, the macro would need to do some js magic. I
 think I actually prefer that over the old syntax, e.g.:

 tabs 
 tab1 'tab1 tip' tab1content
 tab2 'tab2 tip' tab2content##foo
 tab3 'tab3 tip' tab3content!!bar
 

 Although not being able to leverage (hidden) sections complicates things.

 On the other hand, I have just created a TiddlySpace for Saq's *
 InlineTabsPlugin* as found in Ton's wiki and I think this syntax in the
 form of a *$tabs* widget is actually much more intuitive than any of the
 above.

 http://inlinetabs.tiddlyspace.com

 Best wishes, Topias.




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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
 

 Apropos of the inlinetabs example, we have an opportunity to define a 
 wikitext syntax for tabs, too. For example:

 __|Title|__
 Some content to go in this tab
 __|Title2|__
 More content
 

 

This looks really quite intuitive.

What may be missing is the state-identifier of the tabset. Perhaps that can 
be added after the last line?

myTabSet

Considering how it will probably not be important for many, I think this 
should be optional, i.e. auto-generated.


Also, you could add optional tooltips using...

__|Title|Tooltip 2|__
 Some content to go in this tab
 __|Title2|Tooltip 2|__
 More content
 myTabSet



The other thing I'm concerned with is to make sure that it's easy to create 
 a set of tabs from a tiddler list. That's how we'll make the sidebar tabs 
 configurable via drag and drop.
 javascript:


Sure, I guess one problem is to define where the tab titles in such a list 
come from. Perhaps you simply define it via some...
* prompt when you drag and drop a tiddler (link) onto the tabset prefilled with 
the tiddler name
* store the corresponding title in a field at the tab-tiddler using the 
tabset identifier, e.g. *tabSetFoo_title='Bar Title'*

- tobias

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Tobias Beer
Also interesting for using background images, etc...

__|Title|Tooltip 2|CSS Class|__
Some content to go in this tab

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Is there anaything like a 'tabs' macro?

2013-09-21 Thread Ton Gerner
Hi Tobias,

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:49:17 PM UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:


 As for double-clicking, I might just fork it and turn editing off by 
 default when in readOnly mode. I think the difference between being an 
 editor and a viewer has only rarely been considered by plugin authors (that 
 includes myself and things like TagSearchPlugin).
  

If it is easy to do, then I appreciate it when you can do it. Otherwise I 
can live with it: now I have to tick a checkbox (ToggleTagPlugin) before 
publishing.

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw] [TW5] - Viewing of ViewTemplate not possible

2013-09-21 Thread Ton Gerner
@Jeremy
Hi,

It is not possible to view the ViewTemplate ($:/core/ui/ViewTemplate) of an 
empty TW5 just downloaded.
Error: Tiddler recursion error in transclude widget.
It happens with Firefox 24 and Chrome 29 on Windows 7 64-bit and Windows 7 
32-bit.

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Viewing of ViewTemplate not possible

2013-09-21 Thread Ton Gerner
Addendum:
Previous post was for the standalone version.
The same holds for the node version (FF  Chrome onWindows 7 32-bit)

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:31:07 PM UTC+2, Ton Gerner wrote:

 @Jeremy
 Hi,

 It is not possible to view the ViewTemplate ($:/core/ui/ViewTemplate) of 
 an empty TW5 just downloaded.
 Error: Tiddler recursion error in transclude widget.
 It happens with Firefox 24 and Chrome 29 on Windows 7 64-bit and Windows 7 
 32-bit.

 Cheers,

 Ton



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[tw] Request for scheduling: TiddlyWiki Classic Clinic

2013-09-21 Thread Eric Shulman
Do you want to learn more about using TiddlyWiki?
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Current planning is for a weekly 2-hour Google Hangout online session, on 
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slot would be Friday mornings, which would potentially allow them to join 
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Re: [tw] TW5: transclude content into a code block

2013-09-21 Thread Joshua
Yes, that is the solution I was looking for. It was so easy. Thanks.

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:31:05 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 When I try that on five.tw.com, I get the source text, the rendered HTML 
 and then the HTML source.


 *facepalm* ...yes, of course, I never got beyond the first pre. 
 (blushing) :D


 Well the formatting doesn't make it particularly clear; I was confused 
 when I first checked it...
  

  pre
 $view tiddler=HelloThere format=text/
 /pre


 Thanks, good to know. So that essentially gives the same as...

 $$$text/vnd.tiddlywikitext/html
 $src$
 $$$


 That example gives the raw HTML of the rendered version of the source. I 
 think the above would be equivalent to:

 $$$text/vnd.tiddlywikitext/plain
 Some text or other
 $$$

 Confusing times!

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

  


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] - Viewing of ViewTemplate not possible

2013-09-21 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Ton

It is indeed ordinarily impossible to view the ViewTemplate tiddler because
by default tiddlers in the story column are viewed through the
ViewTemplate. That sets up a recursion that is detected, resulting in the
message you've seen.

You should still be able to put the ViewTemplate tiddler into edit mode to
see it.

The EditTemplate is similarly difficult to edit through the standard UI.

Best wishes

Jeremy







On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Ton Gerner ton.ger...@gmail.com wrote:

 Addendum:
 Previous post was for the standalone version.
 The same holds for the node version (FF  Chrome onWindows 7 32-bit)

 Cheers,

 Ton


 On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:31:07 PM UTC+2, Ton Gerner wrote:

 @Jeremy
 Hi,

 It is not possible to view the ViewTemplate ($:/core/ui/ViewTemplate) of
 an empty TW5 just downloaded.
 Error: Tiddler recursion error in transclude widget.
 It happens with Firefox 24 and Chrome 29 on Windows 7 64-bit and Windows
 7 32-bit.

 Cheers,

 Ton

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[tw] Google Fonts for TW5

2013-09-21 Thread David Gifford
Hi all

Wondering how to use a font from Google Fonts API 
(http://www.google.com/fonts) for TW5. I think Open Sans Condensed would be 
a pretty cool looking font to use for TW5.

Dave
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